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gummy jones Offline
#151 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 10:04 AM EST
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both of these parties are following the natural progression towards big, bloated government as power consolidation is the goal of most of our oligarchs

moving us average joes and jens around as they see fit

maybe the rinos and libs should be the ones who break off from the historical parties?

what gives them the right to claim the party - whoever has more old rich dudes?
teedubbya Offline
#152 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 10:21 AM EST
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I really don't care what you call it, and I agree with you that the two parties are more alike then people like to admit. It is also very smart to want to take their (republican) name and all the trappings that come with it even thought they already have another self proclaimed name. I don't blame them it's smart tactically. This isn't a bash on them (although I do bash them over some things I agree with them on others). I just find it funny they will then claim the historical or core are the RINOs and anyone that doesn't go along with them 100% is not a republican or conervative. It's classic doublespeak and very smart.
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#153 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 10:24 AM EST
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By the way I have and will vote for some teaparty candidates even though they are rinos and are only in the party to claim the ballot benefits etc.
teedubbya Offline
#154 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 10:28 AM EST
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And let me be clear.... no one owns the party although many claim they do. I don't really think the teaparty are RINOs but am using the term because that is what they throw out to long term Republicans. I am merely saying if there are true RINOs it would be the newbies forming their own party and trying to coop another.

In the end there is room for the teaparty but their insisance that they are pure and others are not or are false republicans is stupid.
gummy jones Offline
#155 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 10:31 AM EST
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well at least trumps wiener is okay Liar
teedubbya Offline
#156 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 10:44 AM EST
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LOL. One of the things Ronnie did was expand the tent. The party prior to him was constricted and drove peole out that were not republican enough. He ran as an outsider in terms of "establishment" but preached expanding the tent. If you do not have a party that accepts and welcomes different views with a common basic core you have a failed party. This insistence that those that are not lock step with you , or worse, the establishment are not Republicans is the opposite of Reagan. When you try to wrap Reagan around it is is heresy. Reagan was not the establishment candidate initially but he did become so. And post Reagan him and his peeps were/are the establishment by definition. They were/are the grown ups.


My irritation is that while I accept the teaparty folks, I do not accept them lock stock and barrel. And there are some I do not like. They were welcomed to the frat party, showed up and insist others do what they say or be like them or they are not part of the frat. Weird. Start your own frat, assimilate, or work within the frat to move towards your view. It's the absolutism that gets me. That's not reaganesque
DrafterX Offline
#157 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 10:54 AM EST
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Do they ban words and stuff..?? Huh
gummy jones Offline
#158 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 12:14 PM EST
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http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2016/03/04/139367
teedubbya Offline
#159 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 4:41 PM EST
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http://mashable.com/2016/03/04/ted-cruz-lip-booger/#aPewFI_k3aqS
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#160 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 7:16 PM EST
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I suppose at the end of the day, I really like Trump.
He is entertaining like a Jerry Springer show.
And he has done more damage to the GOP than the free will movement.
DrafterX Offline
#161 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 9:02 PM EST
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I'm starting to think what the hell... Can't be worse than Obama right..?? Think
SmokeMonkey Offline
#162 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 9:23 PM EST
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My mother has never voted anything other than Republican and supported Carson through the TN primary. She's been so put off by the actions of the RNC and establishment bigwigs to derail Trump, she wrote a strongly worded email (her words) to the local, state and national GOP stating that she never intended to vote Trump until they started pulling this crap. Now she'll vote for him even as a third party candidate to protest the hijacking of the will of the people.
DrafterX Offline
#163 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 9:41 PM EST
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it's a mess.. Not talking
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#164 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 9:49 PM EST
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^Indeed^

My wife has no idea who to vote for now. That said, she'll end up voting the GOP party line.
DrafterX Offline
#165 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 10:05 PM EST
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I expect shenanigans before it's all over... Mellow
SmokeMonkey Offline
#166 Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2016, 10:32 PM EST
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I do, too.
teddyballgame Offline
#167 Posted: Sat, Mar 5 2016, 8:49 AM EST
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Now Romney is looking to help foster the shenanigans.

Hell, why not? It is close to St. Patty's day.
tonygraz Offline
#168 Posted: Sat, Mar 5 2016, 10:34 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I expect shenanigans before it's all over... Mellow


Is MACS going to the convention ?
DrafterX Offline
#169 Posted: Sat, Mar 5 2016, 10:53 AM EST
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That's what I heard... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#170 Posted: Sat, Mar 5 2016, 10:54 AM EST
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Romney needs to go away. Who in their right mind thought unleashing the Romneykracken is askeery or smart. The morons panicked and did the exact wrong thing.
DrafterX Offline
#171 Posted: Sat, Mar 5 2016, 10:57 AM EST
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True. .. True. ... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#172 Posted: Sat, Mar 5 2016, 11:48 AM EST
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Brits now betting on Trump's light switch appendage: http://www.occupydemocrats.com/home/post/2016/03/04/british-gambling-site-is-now-taking-odds-on-how-small-trumps-manhood-is
tonygraz Offline
#173 Posted: Sat, Mar 5 2016, 12:21 PM EST
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What's happening to Trump's veterans charity money ? http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/03/05/missing-donald-trump-stole-3-million-dollars-from-charity-event-for-veterans-video/
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#174 Posted: Mon, Mar 7 2016, 6:02 PM EST
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Cute video on Trump/drumpf : https://www.facebook.com/CollegeHumor/videos/10153552513872807/
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#175 Posted: Tue, Mar 8 2016, 9:56 AM EST
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The Trump phenomena is occurring because many Americans are fed up wit "bought" politicians telling potential voters what they want to hear. These people hear politicians making promises they either don't intend to keep or can't keep. Before the election they put themselves in front of you, shaking hands and kissing babies. After they are elected, you need an appointment at least six months in advance to talk to them. They won't answer you online either. Before they are elected they promise to extend benefits, create new programs and lower taxes. A tried and true program that alway works and never happens, except in reverse. Trump is different. He says what is on his mind and, if you don't like it, don't vote for him. Neither the Republican establisment wants Trump nor does the Democratic establishment want Bernie Sanders. The reason? Neither of them can be controlled by the fat cats that finance both parties.
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#176 Posted: Tue, Mar 8 2016, 12:49 PM EST
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Pretty much sums up how I feel.
tonygraz Offline
#177 Posted: Tue, Mar 8 2016, 12:51 PM EST
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Bernie keeps telling the same story, Trump changes the story regularly, if you can get by the insulting part and vulgarity.
tailgater Offline
#178 Posted: Wed, Mar 9 2016, 5:25 PM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
The Trump phenomena is occurring because many Americans are fed up wit "bought" politicians telling potential voters what they want to hear. These people hear politicians making promises they either don't intend to keep or can't keep. Before the election they put themselves in front of you, shaking hands and kissing babies. After they are elected, you need an appointment at least six months in advance to talk to them. They won't answer you online either. Before they are elected they promise to extend benefits, create new programs and lower taxes. A tried and true program that alway works and never happens, except in reverse. Trump is different. He says what is on his mind and, if you don't like it, don't vote for him. Neither the Republican establisment wants Trump nor does the Democratic establishment want Bernie Sanders. The reason? Neither of them can be controlled by the fat cats that finance both parties.


I thought it was because we're racists.
tailgater Offline
#179 Posted: Wed, Mar 9 2016, 5:33 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Bernie keeps telling the same story, Trump changes the story regularly, if you can get by the insulting part and vulgarity.


I like Bernie.
He's a likable guy, and you're right about him saying the same story forever.
He's a self admitted socialist, although now his flock want to correct you by saying "democratic socialist". Because that's better. Heck, that's like saying "moderate fascist".
I guess if it makes you feel good.

The problem with Bernie is that his programs will ruin the country FOREVER.
You can't undo social give-a-ways. Who's the politician that's going to get elected by saying "I'll take your things back!"?
So if you give "free tuition" today, it's forever.
If you give $15/hour to a broom pusher because it's a "livable wage", it's forever.
Unemployment and/or inflation be damned.

I think Trump is an azzhole.
Wouldn't let him watch my kids.
But his simplistic ideas are a breath of fresh air.

Simplify the tax laws.
Even out the trade imbalance.
Control illegal immigration.

You say he changes his tune, but he doesn't. He gets caught up in the rhetoric and says stupid things. But the message is the same: Let American Capitalism thrive and the good times will follow.

If you disagree that's fine. But do it for the right reasons.
teedubbya Offline
#180 Posted: Wed, Mar 9 2016, 5:43 PM EST
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I'm voting for Tom Brady. It's the only person anyone objective could vote for. I'm not going to vote for who Mort tells me to.
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#181 Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2016, 8:51 AM EST
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I'm thinking that is becoming highly likely that someone will actually kill Trump before the Republican convention. The question is morphing more now towards whether it will be a republican conspiracy, one of the crazy supporters that becomes disillusioned, or someone that opposed him all along hoping to end the evil.
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#182 Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2016, 8:53 AM EST
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You said the same thing about Obama.... Shame on you
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#183 Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2016, 11:58 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:

I think Trump is an azzhole.
Wouldn't let him watch my kids.
But his simplistic ideas are a breath of fresh air.

Simplify the tax laws.
Even out the trade imbalance.
Control illegal immigration.

You say he changes his tune, but he doesn't. He gets caught up in the rhetoric and says stupid things. But the message is the same: Let American Capitalism thrive and the good times will follow.

If you disagree that's fine. But do it for the right reasons.




I am with you on Trump here, with the exception that his trade and tariff policies worry me.
If you start slapping tariffs on things, other countries retaliate and then there is a trade war, which is very bad for the economy. That whole Smooth-Hawley thing exacerbated problems for the U.S. and led to the Great depression.

If he clarifies it in the future, maybe it will be more clear. If it is like that isolationism act, then I am troubled by it.
tonygraz Offline
#184 Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2016, 1:15 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
You said the same thing about Obama.... Shame on you


No I didn't. If anything I said that picking a vice president that no one would want as president might be a bit of life insurance. But then, you never seem to get anything quite right.
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#185 Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2016, 1:19 PM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
I am with you on Trump here, with the exception that his trade and tariff policies worry me.
If you start slapping tariffs on things, other countries retaliate and then there is a trade war, which is very bad for the economy. That whole Smooth-Hawley thing exacerbated problems for the U.S. and led to the Great depression.

If he clarifies it in the future, maybe it will be more clear. If it is like that isolationism act, then I am troubled by it.


I dated a girl known as smooth Holly once..


Actually, that tariff act was during a time when America had an abundance of manufacturing. The opposite is true today, and the trade deficit needs to be corrected even if it appears to be isolationism to some degree.
Funny how we would get accused of being isolationists simply for wanting to BALANCE the trade differential.
We can't let appearances and hurt feelings stop us from regaining our manufacturing base, which virtually by itself will rebuild the middle class.


teddyballgame Offline
#186 Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2016, 1:54 PM EST
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Smooth Holly?

That is the kinda girl you would like to meet your parents, isn't it?

As I said, he would need to clarify his trade proposal to ease my mind, but massive tariffs will not be a good thing.

Don't misinterpret that I am accusing you of being an isolationist.
I am saying I don't want the trade stance to be an isolationist one, where it actually harms the country by massive tariff action that will surely be retaliated agains and our exports will be hurt.
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#187 Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2016, 2:59 PM EST
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just checking back in to make sure donny still has "no problems" in the wiener department
tailgater Offline
#188 Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2016, 4:58 PM EST
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What exports?
Pharma?
Weapons?
Other than food, we import our consumables and it's killing us. We claim the middle class is dying. We blame the 1% or we blame the illegals. But it's the lack of manufacturing.
We used to make sh*t. Lots of it. Because we were good at it.
And it spawned jobs. Careers. A middle class.
teddyballgame Offline
#189 Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2016, 6:37 PM EST
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The U.S. is the second largest exporter in the world. - 3rd if you group up the E.U.

Cars, commercial aircraft, semiconductors, industrial machines, telecommunications, medical equipment, petroleum and petrol products, plastic and the like.

http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/usa/
http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradepolicy/p/Imports-Exports-Components.htm
http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top_us_exports.html

There is history as to what happens if we are too stringent on free trade and to dismiss it, would be folly.

Here is an interesting read on why have tariff reform by a writer at Heritage.org (well, maybe interesting for some, boring for others, after all it is economics):

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/04/tariff-reform-needed-to-boost-the-us-economy
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