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'Angels' to block Westboro Baptist Church's protest at Orlando memorial
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rfenst Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 8:58 AM EST
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Those muder fcukers are a it again...

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Angels-to-block-Westboro-Baptist-Church-s-8303872.php
TMCTLT Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 9:10 AM EST
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Where's the outrage over the Murderer himself and that TOXIC FAKE RELIGION he belongs to who SPEW their garbage and condone the murder of others? I don't care if they were " fragile gays " or a bunch of macho bikers that lost their lives that day......the first thing the blowhard in chief did was roll out reps. from CAIR and any other Muslim group to desensitize Americans after it become KNOWN who exactly did it and WHY he did it.
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#3 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 9:27 AM EST
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Paul, there was recently, and has always been plenty of comments right on these very boards talking about your point. Not to worry, you have tons of support. The op is simply looking at a different angle...in my opinion.

Also, in my opinion, there is room for several "outrages" at the same time. Mentioning one does not negate your feelings, just a different take on the subject. This is about Westboro and the reaction to their bile and perversion of a different religion...

Robert, in the first thread after this happened, I sarcastically posed the question asking if Westboro had weighed in on the tragedy. Thanks for reminding me.
rfenst Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 9:35 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
... The op is simply looking at a different angle...in my opinion.

Also, in my opinion, there is room for several "outrages" at the same time. Mentioning one does not negate your feelings, just a different take on the subject. This is about Westboro and the reaction to their bile and perversion of a different religion...




Thank you.
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 10:32 AM EST
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I don't know anyone who doesn't think WBB are lower than whale schit. They're anything BUT Christlike, and continue to cast the first stone.

That said, have they murdered anyone in the name of "God"?

They use words, and protest. I've never seen them burn cars, intimidate people from exercising their rights, or commit felonies. Quite the American way TO DO things. It's a damn shame their beliefs are so fugged up. They're hateful, bigoted, nasty carbon based life forms. I don't think Saint Pete is gonna give them a pass in.
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#6 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 11:42 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I don't know anyone who doesn't think WBB are lower than whale schit. They're anything BUT Christlike, and continue to cast the first stone.

That said, have they murdered anyone in the name of "God"?

They use words, and protest. I've never seen them burn cars, intimidate people from exercising their rights, or commit felonies. Quite the American way TO DO things. It's a damn shame their beliefs are so fugged up. They're hateful, bigoted, nasty carbon based life forms. I don't think Saint Pete is gonna give them a pass in.


+1 As opposed to the death cult muslims.
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 12:06 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I don't know anyone who doesn't think WBB are lower than whale schit. They're anything BUT Christlike, and continue to cast the first stone.

That said, have they murdered anyone in the name of "God"?

They use words, and protest. I've never seen them burn cars, intimidate people from exercising their rights, or commit felonies. Quite the American way TO DO things. It's a damn shame their beliefs are so fugged up. They're hateful, bigoted, nasty carbon based life forms. I don't think Saint Pete is gonna give them a pass in.


yeah
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 1:44 PM EST
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agree Jamie, was just wondering why they can not be attacked verbally here and let it stand alone. We have multiple threads that talk about the scumbag terrorists. Murder isn't the only standard we could use to express how a group discredits the major religion they claim to speak for.

If the JDA was attacked here, my first thoughts would not be to point to" bad" Muslims nor "bad" Christians as a defense...that's more of a deflection, almost protective.

There's really not much to argue about my point, and I don't even disagree with the points made by others.

shrug.
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 3:52 PM EST
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I have no problem with them being attacked they've earned it.

Maybe what's happening is an umbridge to the comparison of their wrongs. That would be my best guess.
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#10 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 4:01 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I have no problem with them being attacked they've earned it.

Maybe what's happening is an umbridge to the comparison of their wrongs. That would be my best guess.

probably.
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 4:04 PM EST
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Or this forum is full of opinionated azzwholes......

Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 6:27 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Or this forum is full of opinionated azzwholes......

Mellow




Guilty as charged....fog
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 7:29 PM EST
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HA!
tonygraz Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 10:15 PM EST
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# 12 - probably the most honest comment posted here.
Gene363 Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2016, 11:33 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Or this forum is full of opinionated azzwholes......

Mellow


Well duh! horse
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 9:00 AM EST
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Fear the day the radical islamic terrorists learn to use our laws against us as well as WBC.The RITs are clumsy in comparison. They could definitely learn from WBC which IMHO compares very well to the RITs other than they chose differnet tools.

Don't just observe WBCs actions today, research them and learn about them. What they have done locally is definitely a form of terrorism that has ruined several/many lives. The funeral protests is nothing. It's a fringe part of what they do and how they act. They have destroyed people for many years/decades. Find the unfinished/unpublished book by one of the sons that escaped etc.

Unfortunately they live in my back yard (not literraly drafter) and I've had to have several 1 on 1 business dealings with them. My fist few were simply needing to cross their "picket" lines. Later I actually had to converse and negotiate with some of them several times. Very uncomfortable given in our legal system you can be right, ultimately win the fight if you can last resource wise, and still ultimately lose the war. They are very VERY smart..... something I can't say about most of the RITs.
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 10:13 AM EST
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If I remember correctly they have a few members that are lawyers.
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 10:22 AM EST
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Most of the family
MACS Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 1:39 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Or this forum is full of opinionated azzwholes......

Mellow


My ears were ringing. Now I know why.
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 3:52 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
My ears were ringing. Now I know why.



Accidenly poked them with a pencil?
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 4:29 PM EST
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both of them..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 6:36 PM EST
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I know I'll get some push back here - But I reckon that WBC is to Chistianity what a few radicals are to the Muslium faith....

Just sayin'
Speyside Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 7:17 PM EST
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I think your are partially right, though mostly wrong. They are scum who spew hatred, but last time I checked they were not murders. Maybe that difference is trivial to you. To me it is a significant difference. This in no way makes their behavior acceptable.
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 7:47 PM EST
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I agree with you there on WBC.

There are some Christian and particularly Jewish terrorist groups around the world however. They pale in comparison to the Muslim groups however. Never underestimate the fringes of any religions ability to pervert it and justify violence. Mines just better and would never do that. Yours is evil.
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#25 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 8:19 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I know I'll get some push back here - But I reckon that WBC is to Chistianity what a few radicals are to the Muslium faith....

Just sayin'


That may be... but the 'angels' blocking their protest are also Christians. Do we see muslims protesting all the attacks?

Will muslims come out in droves to this memorial to offer their condolences, and denounce the behavior of the perpetrator?

Don't hold your breath.
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 8:21 PM EST
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A few Muslims?

Ok....

I certainly do NOT think the wackos represent Islam, but the pushback from within (which IS THERE) to reform is less of that that wants Sharia law in sovereign nations, and think certain tactics are ok.
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 8:32 PM EST
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I think Muslims already have come out in droves and denounced the attack. I also don't think a push for sharia law is a threat to our country at all. Do you really feel a big push for sharia law? Not being sarcastic, I just don't see it and I interact with Muslims.
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#28 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 9:34 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I think Muslims already have come out in droves and denounced the attack. I also don't think a push for sharia law is a threat to our country at all. Do you really feel a big push for sharia law? Not being sarcastic, I just don't see it and I interact with Muslims.


that question would be better posed on a board made up of europeans
ZRX1200 Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 9:54 PM EST
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It's largely supported by muslims.

It's reasonable to discuss.
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#30 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2016, 11:59 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I know I'll get some push back here - But I reckon that WBC is to Chistianity what a few radicals are to the Muslium faith....

Just sayin'


When did the WBC bass turds start beheading non Christians or burning them alive? Are they throwing LGBT folks off buildings now?
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#31 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 1:58 AM EST
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I'd like to see something definitive that shira law is largely supported by American Muslims. None that I know fall in to that category. They are sort of Americans and stuff.
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#32 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 5:26 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I think Muslims already have come out in droves and denounced the attack. I also don't think a push for sharia law is a threat to our country at all. Do you really feel a big push for sharia law? Not being sarcastic, I just don't see it and I interact with Muslims.




OOOOOOhhhhh, hey everybody.....TW interacts with Muslims!!!!!

So....what percentage that ARE here in our country ( all 57 states ) do you " interact " with????

Do you read what you put down here?......and then actually believe it?
tonygraz Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 7:21 AM EST
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About 1% of the USA is Muslim. They don't all have beards or cover their faces.
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#34 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 7:42 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
When did the WBC bass turds start beheading non Christians or burning them alive? Are they throwing LGBT folks off buildings now?

my earliier posts were just pointing out that a single subject thread criticizing a Christian hate group immediately garners remarks akin to "oh, yeah. well the others are worse" and other deflections.

Truth is, not such severe criticism as much as the wonderful Angel response and support!

And yes, the actions of contemporary Islamic terrorists are worse, but that wasn't the point.

Nowhere were comparisons of atrocities drawn in the op (unless I didn't read enough) equating evil Christians with terrorists Muslims...but the thread gets rerouted anyway.

By the time this thread reaches 100, I almost expect to be reading praise for Westboro.

Someone just let me know what we are allowed to criticize and what has protected status. And understand criticism isn't the same as supporting the enemy.
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#35 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 8:05 AM EST
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Frank, read #22.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:13 AM EST
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Tcby my interactions are through a couple three avenues. Friends/coworkers, a religious group I belong to that includes most major religions and discusses such things, and work. The only multistate of the three is work which covers 7 states one of which has a very high Muslim population.

You were being serious right?

I see no evidence of a push for shira law from my experience but evidently your direct experience is different because I know you wouldn't have a knee jerk reaction to something you know little about with no direct experience.

That said I'm no expert. I've just not personally experienced this plague you speak of nor have I seen any evidence that would convince me. I can be convinced but it would take more than hyperbole.

My Muslim neighbors and those in the interfaith group are good folk that I'll break bread with any day.
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#37 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:17 AM EST
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By the way my friend Kazim is standing here with me. He says you need to stfu or he'll cut your head off and stuff.
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:18 AM EST
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That was a joke by the way. I don't want to underestimate irrational thought.
teedubbya Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:18 AM EST
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That was a joke by the way. I don't want to underestimate irrational thought.
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#40 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:24 AM EST
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What kinda stuff does Kazim do with heads..?? Huh
Gene363 Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:26 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Frank, read #22.


+1
Gene363 Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:33 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'd like to see something definitive that shira law is largely supported by American Muslims. None that I know fall in to that category. They are sort of Americans and stuff.


This mirrors my experience with muslims I know and worked with, mainstreamed if you will.

Not so much with some of those living a cloistered existence inside of the US. Running their own private schools, living in closed compounds to keep out western values and bitter as heck about westerners. I came into contact with them at government surplus sales and auctions. It's amazing what people will tell you if you engage in polite conversation.
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#43 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:43 AM EST
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Kazim likes head.
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#44 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:59 AM EST
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no wonder he hangs with you... Mellow
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#45 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 11:19 AM EST
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What's the issue here?

Angels block out the garbage Westboro lunies.

Eventually someone compared tasteless protests by WBC to the murdering rampages by extreme Muslims.

That's like saying the dude who stepped on your toe is equally evil as the one who raped your daughter.

Where's the outrage?
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#46 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 11:19 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
no wonder he hangs with you... Mellow


Or for him...
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#47 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 12:29 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Frank, read #22.

yeah, but the correct point has also been made that Westboro hasn't murdered...
even though that isn't the point of the op
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#48 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 1:00 PM EST
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Does anyone really think it makes a difference? This whole "well my sports team (ooops, sorry, religion) hasn't beheaded anyone!?

It doesn't.

The instant you start thinking the group you belong to is better than the group other people belong to, and think that you intrinsically have greater value than they do simply because you follow selected parts of a random ancient text, while they follow selected parts of a random other ancient text... then you're the same as they are.

Just because you haven't beheaded anyone for your religion yet has more to do with a combination of random chance and lack of motivation more than anything intrinsically better about the individual.
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#49 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 1:11 PM EST
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How ironic ^
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#50 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 1:20 PM EST
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Victor be-headed somebody..?? Huh
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