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Brewha Offline
#151 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
philosophical belief. Fine by me. You have a point, or you just trying to be correct for once?


As for the ringing of the bell, who gives a sh*t?
That's the Jehovahs, not your typical mainstream Christians.

It's the atheists who want to feel offended for everyone. They're the ones who demand the town square remove the Nativity scene. they're the ones who cry foul if a teacher uses the "C" word for the "winter holiday" break. They're the one's worrying that a bible might be found in a state owned court room.

And the funny part? If they truly believed that gawd doesn't exist, none of this would actually offend them. As a group they're nothing but thin skinned hypocrites who cower from things they don't understand.

But a level-headed atheist is actually an agnostic in denial.
Because as I learned earlier in this thread, that's their true philosophical belief...




I gather that you don’t see a need for the separation for church and state. Some just don’t.
(as a side bar this bolsters my theory on why checkers sell more than chess)

People who push for this important demarcation between faith and authority is a benefit to our American way of life. Give the Atheists credit if you like. But it's really the true American that push for it.
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#152 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I gather that you don’t see a need for the separation for church and state. Some just don’t.
(as a side bar this bolsters my theory on why checkers sell more than chess)

People how push for this important demarcation between faith and authority is a benefit to our American way of life. Give the Atheists credit if you like. But it really the true American that push for it.


The Founding Fathers who provided for the separation of Church and State were in fact very religious. The purpose of the separation was not to limit or deny the belief or practice of any religion, but to make sure that their can never be any state persecution of any particular religion or belief. That the laws of the land would apply equally to all religions and belief systems, even to Atheists. The separation is an important pre-requisite for the American way of life and anyone who doesn't believe this should study a little history. Scratch that, its happening around the world today, as we speak, when laws of a country are allowed to be dictated for and by a specific religion. We are sheltered, we are spoiled here in America and we have to appreciate what we have. This discussion, these posts would be illegal and could probably get you jailed or worse in quite a few countries in the "modern" world.
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#153 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Weak.

If we grew up with those things we'd understand that America is what it is.
Because of those things.
Or Despite those things.

It truly wouldn't matter.


Except to you.



So you're saying some of us have our eye on the ball - and some don't.

King me!
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#154 Posted:
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I too believe only true Americans push for my beliefs, that's the new American way!

Breathing documents, partial sentences are OK in some of the old white racist writtings, yup.
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#155 Posted:
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for 152

they all go back to Abraham...and beyond.
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#156 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I too believe only true Americans push for my beliefs, that's the new American way!

Breathing documents, partial sentences are OK in some of the old white racist writtings, yup.

Z, You don't believe we need separation of C/S?
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#157 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
for 152

they all go back to Abraham...and beyond.

Which is a important perspective.

Though not all of them go back to Abraham......
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#158 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Which is a important perspective.

Though not all of them go back to Abraham......

which of the 3 does not?

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#159 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
which of the 3 does not?


I took "all" to mean religions. And there are far more than three. The Hindu come to mind....
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#160 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I took "all" to mean religions. And there are far more than three. The Hindu come to mind....

K

I was replying to the post that specifically mentioned the 3.

carry on.
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#161 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
K

I was replying to the post that specifically mentioned the 3.

carry on.

It is ironic the level of discord between the three Abrahamic religions. If you compare them to the Hindu, who believe a wide and varing number of different things, they all get along. Unity. But even Catholics and Protestants have serious discord - dispite both being Christian....

It is an unfortunate commentary on any belief system when they can be shown to be divisive - and yet, there it is.
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#162 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
It is ironic the level of discord between the three Abrahamic religions. If you compare them to the Hindu, who believe a wide and varing number of different things, they all get along. Unity. But even Catholics and Protestants have serious discord - dispite both being Christian....

It is an unfortunate commentary on any belief system when they can be shown to be divisive - and yet, there it is.

well, if Abe coulda kept it in his pants...
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#163 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
well, if Abe coulda kept it in his pants...



Vigoda?
He's dead, you know.
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#164 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
Vigoda?
He's dead, you know.

even if he wasn't, he's dead to me.
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#165 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
even if he wasn't, he's dead to me.



Poor bastid!
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#166 Posted:
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God said to Abraham, Kill me a son
Abe said man you must be putting me on
God said no, Abe said what
God said you can do what you want Abe but
the next time you see me comin' you better run
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#167 Posted:
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Brewha, I believe people should be guided by their principles.

Politicians should be voted in by people who like their ideas and principles. I think the state has NO business proselytizing any religion, and I believe the State has no business ESTABLISHING a religion (as stated) or preventing the practice of religion (that isn't breaking criminal codes like human sacrifice etc....)

I have no problem with crosses on monuments for the fallen, and I had NO PROBLEM with the Muslim from Minnesota swearing into Congress on a Qur'an. I have no problem with "In God we trust" on money. And I have no problem with prayer in school outside study time.

I DO have a problem with people having a religious test for candidates, because I believe A LOT of very principled people who may be "spiritual", non church goers, or agnostics are never pushed ahead because of voters bias.

That make sense?
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#168 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Brewha, I believe people should be guided by their principles.

Politicians should be voted in by people who like their ideas and principles. I think the state has NO business proselytizing any religion, and I believe the State has no business ESTABLISHING a religion (as stated) or preventing the practice of religion (that isn't breaking criminal codes like human sacrifice etc....)

I have no problem with crosses on monuments for the fallen, and I had NO PROBLEM with the Muslim from Minnesota swearing into Congress on a Qur'an. I have no problem with "In God we trust" on money. And I have no problem with prayer in school outside study time.

I DO have a problem with people having a religious test for candidates, because I believe A LOT of very principled people who may be "spiritual", non church goers, or agnostics are never pushed ahead because of voters bias.

That make sense?

I knew there was a reason I liked you that had nothing to do with booze.
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#169 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I gather that you don’t see a need for the separation for church and state. Some just don’t.
(as a side bar this bolsters my theory on why checkers sell more than chess)

People who push for this important demarcation between faith and authority is a benefit to our American way of life. Give the Atheists credit if you like. But it's really the true American that push for it.


Separation of church and state?
You can't be serious.

True Americans aren't that thin skinned, Brew.
But you keep on being offended for them.




tailgater Offline
#170 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I knew there was a reason I liked you that had nothing to do with booze.


But the booze helped.
Be honest.

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#171 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
But the booze helped.
Be honest.


go to bed old man. you gotta be sharp tomorrow...don't want a libtard to show you up!
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#172 Posted:
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Two man "wild night" tomorrow or did I miss a camping invite?

Frank were cut from the same cloth, just a different shade. People shouldn't fear what they don't believe, it's weak minded and doesn't challenge their view. Like es that used to not be crossed are now crossed by most now. I try to not "go there" but I'm probably as guilty as most.
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#173 Posted:
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Lines, not like es......

Damn phone
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#174 Posted:
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I'm all in.
bgz Offline
#175 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
rofl?
For that comment? Really?

So you're an atheist?
Because your attack on my well intended joke does seem a bit, uhm, militant?

Thank you for proving my point, Chumley.




So I follow up a joke with a joke and you find it offensive?

lmfao, for someone who keeps claiming to have thick skin, you sure do get offended easily.
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#176 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
So you're an atheist?


tailgater wrote:
philosophical belief. Fine by me. You have a point, or you just trying to be correct for once?


As for the ringing of the bell, who gives a sh*t?
That's the Jehovahs, not your typical mainstream Christians.

It's the atheists who want to feel offended for everyone. They're the ones who demand the town square remove the Nativity scene. they're the ones who cry foul if a teacher uses the "C" word for the "winter holiday" break. They're the one's worrying that a bible might be found in a state owned court room.

And the funny part? If they truly believed that gawd doesn't exist, none of this would actually offend them. As a group they're nothing but thin skinned hypocrites who cower from things they don't understand.

But a level-headed atheist is actually an agnostic in denial.
Because as I learned earlier in this thread, that's their true philosophical belief...



To answer your question, yes... I am an atheist.

I don't demand anyone take their c word decorations down, nor do I give a flying f*** if a bible is in a court room.

No, I am not an agnostic in denial.

I'm a probability and math guy... I believe there is a non-zero probability that any one given religion is correct... but I also believe that the probability is so near zero it could be considered statistically insignificant.

Now on the other hand I believe the probability that there are superior being(s) than us that could be considered god(s) by primitive beings such as ourselves is significantly higher than the above stated probability that any specific belief is correct (I also believe this probability to be near zero).

Further more, I believe if the being(s) in the above statement do exist, that the probability of them giving a sh** about our lowly asses is just as low the probability of any one religion being correct.

For the record, I enjoy the holidays, and yes, I enjoy the C word :D, and I have zero problems with the way people want to celebrate the winter solstice... but the aforementioned Jehovah's Witness reject all such traditions. They claim to be following the literal word of Jesus in saying that people shouldn't celebrate such things.

Anyway, just so you know, when you are celebrating Jesus's birthday on December 25th (which became the official date in the time of Constantine), you are actually celebrating the "birthday" of Sol Invictus... the Unconquered (or Undying) Sun. There are many who will dispute this (Usually Christians), but the fact of the matter, is the winter solstice was celebrated by pretty much every civilization from since... well, since civilization itself.

So decorate on my friend, you have this atheist's blessing.
tonygraz Offline
#177 Posted:
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What - not a soldier in the war on Xmas ? I would like to demand that Xmas decorations be removed by February or earlier.
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#178 Posted:
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Wow, four pages of atheists screaming and crying about how they don't want to impose their views on anyone.
bgz Offline
#179 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
Wow, four pages of atheists screaming and crying about how they don't want to impose their views on anyone.


You're entitled to interpret reality however you choose buddy.
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#180 Posted:
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You like the "C" word?


Dude, chicks hate it when you use that word.....fyi

I dated a JW. She was fun till she turned crazy.
bgz Offline
#181 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You like the "C" word?


Dude, chicks hate it when you use that word.....fyi

I dated a JW. She was fun till she turned crazy.


lol... I'll keep that in mind for the next time a woman in a minivan cuts me off with her windows open.

My uncle's fiance's family is a JW, from what I hear, they are totally nuts.

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#182 Posted:
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I think mine had the normal wear off, doubt she went bat schit crazy train. More of a return to her normal Mellow

Crazy in the head = crazy in bed.

Gotta find balance just like in life
bgz Offline
#183 Posted:
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Strong with the force this one is.
Brewha Offline
#184 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Brewha, I believe people should be guided by their principles.

Politicians should be voted in by people who like their ideas and principles. I think the state has NO business proselytizing any religion, and I believe the State has no business ESTABLISHING a religion (as stated) or preventing the practice of religion (that isn't breaking criminal codes like human sacrifice etc....)

I have no problem with crosses on monuments for the fallen, and I had NO PROBLEM with the Muslim from Minnesota swearing into Congress on a Qur'an. I have no problem with "In God we trust" on money. And I have no problem with prayer in school outside study time.

I DO have a problem with people having a religious test for candidates, because I believe A LOT of very principled people who may be "spiritual", non church goers, or agnostics are never pushed ahead because of voters bias.

That make sense?

I think a agree with you on most all of your points. The "In God We Trust" on the money is going a bit too far is you ask me, like the religious test for candidates. But these things are based on us all believing in and having respect for a "higher power". This is quite different than "In Jesus We Trust" being on the money.

I think we all need to protect and repect everyone's religious beliefs - or lack of them. Yes even the Muslums - the "Bad Guys" of the day who are in vogue at the moment.

So the Guvmut should protect and allow all forms of religious activities within the law. Up to the point that they infringe on others. But they cannot back any of the faiths specifically. Because if they did, it would be denying people of the "wrong" religion their freedom.

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Brewha wrote:
I think a agree with you on most all of your points. The "In God We Trust" on the money is going a bit too far is you ask me, like the religious test for candidates. But these things are based on us all believing in and having respect for a "higher power". This is quite different than "In Jesus We Trust" being on the money.

I think we all need to protect and repect everyone's religious beliefs - or lack of them. Yes even the Muslums - the "Bad Guys" of the day who are in vogue at the moment.

So the Guvmut should protect and allow all forms of religious activities within the law. Up to the point that they infringe on others. But they cannot back any of the faiths specifically. Because if they did, it would be denying people of the "wrong" religion their freedom.



Yes, the more religions you have, the less likely one of them will on of them will assume control of the government and become the next taliban. I believe this was the exact intent of The Founding Fathers. It was never about freedom from religion. It's also why they established a republic and not a democracy.
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Gene363 wrote:
Yes, the more religions you have, the less likely one of them will on of them will assume control of the government and become the next taliban. I believe this was the exact intent of The Founding Fathers. It was never about freedom from religion. It's also why they established a republic and not a democracy.


Actually that was to create freedom from religion in government.
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tailgater wrote:
Separation of church and state?
You can't be serious.

True Americans aren't that thin skinned, Brew.
But you keep on being offended for them.





Welcome to America TG - We are serious about such things.

And it's not so much about our skin, as it is our gray matter....
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#188 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Welcome to America TG - We are serious about such things.

And it's not so much about our skin, as it is our gray matter....



If it's about the grey matter, then try using it.

I'm not saying that separation of church and state aren't important.
I'm saying that a nativity scene and christmas tree don't cross that line.

But you're "serious" about such things?
I know you can't possibly be offended by such things.
So the only logical explanation for your whining is that you're trying to make a point.

I know the religious right thrust their business into everyone's pie hole.
But the atheists are offended by an entity that they claim doesn't even exist.
And that makes it 10X more pathetic.



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#189 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
If it's about the grey matter, then try using it.

I'm not saying that separation of church and state aren't important.
I'm saying that a nativity scene and christmas tree don't cross that line.

But you're "serious" about such things?
I know you can't possibly be offended by such things.
So the only logical explanation for your whining is that you're trying to make a point.

I know the religious right thrust their business into everyone's pie hole.
But the atheists are offended by an entity that they claim doesn't even exist.
And that makes it 10X more pathetic.





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#190 Posted:
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To be fair tail, people exist. And even if one doesn't believe in an entity, one still has to be exposed to the people.

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tailgater wrote:
If it's about the grey matter, then try using it.

I'm not saying that separation of church and state aren't important.
I'm saying that a nativity scene and christmas tree don't cross that line.

But you're "serious" about such things?
I know you can't possibly be offended by such things.
So the only logical explanation for your whining is that you're trying to make a point.

I know the religious right thrust their business into everyone's pie hole.
But the atheists are offended by an entity that they claim doesn't even exist.
And that makes it 10X more pathetic.






Curiosity just got the best of me and I had to look up this whole thing that you're all offended about.

From what I can tell, Atheists, Pastafarians, Satanists and other groups of different beliefs are putting their displays up along side the Christian displays.

This why you mad bro?

These groups just want their religious/organization displays put on public ground because Christians are putting there's up. Like I said before, you only see the militants of these groups (including yours!!!), you don't see the normal every day people that the militants proclaim to represent.

Anyway, I don't see a problem with what they're doing. Either all can display their stuff on public grounds or none of them can. You can't have it both ways.

From an unbiased perspective, I don't believe these people are offended by the Christmas decorations themselves, and I don't think they're really offended at all. They seem to simply be keeping the system in check by making sure that it's fair to everyone, not just the majority. So I really don't have a problem with what they're doing.

However, you won't see me petitioning to put alternative decorations on public grounds, it's not a fight I want to fight, cause I really don't give af.

As far as you continuously bashing Atheists like they are all gathering together in bi-weekly meetings to figure out how they're going to screw with the Christians... it just doesn't happen dude. Most are like me, and we just choose to "check none of the above" and be on our way... it really is that simple.
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#192 Posted:
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I hate to hijack a long thread hijack in progress, but I'm reading some interesting stuff about the NFL being supportive of the victims...a few teams and a few players in particular.

Not bad, not bad at all.
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#193 Posted:
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Christmas or Xmas is not a religious holiday - its the season promoted from Thanksgiving to January for merchants to sell everything they can. And since it's also NFL time Frank should not be prosecuted for hijacking.
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#194 Posted:
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Hey, I agree with TonyG and Frank... nothing says holiday spirit like buying random crap and watching football!
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I look away for a couple days and this thread gets downright silly.

Although it always puzzles me to hear people say "I don't believe in God and I hate Him."

Cheers.
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gummy jones wrote:
I look away for a couple days and this thread gets downright silly.

Although it always puzzles me to hear people say "I don't believe in God and I hate Him."

Cheers.


Who says that, I don't recall ever hearing anyone say that.
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#197 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Hey, I agree with TonyG and Frank... nothing says holiday spirit like buying random crap and watching football!

actually, I was posting about the NFL as it related to the OP
Several teams and players, and athletes from other sports, have been expressing support for the victims. Many have even visited them in the hospital.

I wasn't talking about holiday celebrations at all.
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victor809 wrote:
To be fair tail, people exist. And even if one doesn't believe in an entity, one still has to be exposed to the people.



Victor exposes himself to people?
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#199 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Curiosity just got the best of me and I had to look up this whole thing that you're all offended about.

From what I can tell, Atheists, Pastafarians, Satanists and other groups of different beliefs are putting their displays up along side the Christian displays.

This why you mad bro?

These groups just want their religious/organization displays put on public ground because Christians are putting there's up. Like I said before, you only see the militants of these groups (including yours!!!), you don't see the normal every day people that the militants proclaim to represent.

Anyway, I don't see a problem with what they're doing. Either all can display their stuff on public grounds or none of them can. You can't have it both ways.

From an unbiased perspective, I don't believe these people are offended by the Christmas decorations themselves, and I don't think they're really offended at all. They seem to simply be keeping the system in check by making sure that it's fair to everyone, not just the majority. So I really don't have a problem with what they're doing.

However, you won't see me petitioning to put alternative decorations on public grounds, it's not a fight I want to fight, cause I really don't give af.

As far as you continuously bashing Atheists like they are all gathering together in bi-weekly meetings to figure out how they're going to screw with the Christians... it just doesn't happen dude. Most are like me, and we just choose to "check none of the above" and be on our way... it really is that simple.



So it's only Radical Atheists that complain about the Christmas pagent?
It still seems contradictory to what they claim they believe.
If you "know" that god doesn't exist, then Christianity is just fiction. And nobody would ever complain that the school was putting on a fictional play. I mean, who would protest Horton Hears a Who?

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tailgater wrote:
So it's only Radical Atheists that complain about the Christmas pagent?
It still seems contradictory to what they claim they believe.
If you "know" that god doesn't exist, then Christianity is just fiction. And nobody would ever complain that the school was putting on a fictional play. I mean, who would protest Horton Hears a Who?




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