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Brewha Offline
#51 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 6:52 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I think your are partially right, though mostly wrong. They are scum who spew hatred, but last time I checked they were not murders. Maybe that difference is trivial to you. To me it is a significant difference. This in no way makes their behavior acceptable.

Murder, trivial?

Of cource I was attempting to illustrate that religious groups have radicals that misguidedly take the word of their God too far, and use it to justify their hate, discrimination, murder or worse. Even the venerable Christians have WBC and the crusades - and there are other examples....

But I think the "modern wisdom" in America, if there is such a thing, is that Muslums are malicious by design and as a whole - which is what I would expect they think of us.
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#52 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 6:54 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I think Muslims already have come out in droves and denounced the attack. I also don't think a push for sharia law is a threat to our country at all. Do you really feel a big push for sharia law? Not being sarcastic, I just don't see it and I interact with Muslims.

+1
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#53 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 6:59 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
When did the WBC bass turds start beheading non Christians or burning them alive? Are they throwing LGBT folks off buildings now?

The point, Gene, is that radical are - radicals. As in not representative of the group as a whole. People have committed every atrocity in the name of their God. But it doesn't make their God bad - just them.
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#54 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 7:47 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Does anyone really think it makes a difference? This whole "well my sports team (ooops, sorry, religion) hasn't beheaded anyone!?

It doesn't.

The instant you start thinking the group you belong to is better than the group other people belong to, and think that you intrinsically have greater value than they do simply because you follow selected parts of a random ancient text, while they follow selected parts of a random other ancient text... then you're the same as they are.

Just because you haven't beheaded anyone for your religion yet has more to do with a combination of random chance and lack of motivation more than anything intrinsically better about the individual.


And the same for atheists, first it's a Christmas tree, then a Ten Commandments sign, suddenly you're beheading altar boys and homeless guys with pissy smelling shoes.
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#55 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 7:56 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
The point, Gene, is that radical are - radicals. As in not representative of the group as a whole. People have committed every atrocity in the name of their God. But it doesn't make their God bad - just them.


What really bothers me is using the same broad brush to paint both groups, other than wearing the cloak of religion, they have nothing in common.

They both represent extremes, but one group are annoying heartless azzholes, the others actively kill people and encourage others to do the same. In fact WBC people have a Constitutional right to protest, albeit if offensive, the goat humpers have no right to kill in the name of religion.
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#56 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 8:42 PM EST
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45 more to go before my prediction is true.
Brewha Offline
#57 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 8:51 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
What really bothers me is using the same broad brush to paint both groups, other than wearing the cloak of religion, they have nothing in common.

They both represent extremes, but one group are annoying heartless azzholes, the others actively kill people and encourage others to do the same. In fact WBC people have a Constitutional right to protest, albeit if offensive, the goat humpers have no right to kill in the name of religion.

Ok, this point WAS that every barrel has it's bad apples. And that the barrel should not labeled because of them.

If I were to take either group as representative of their faith, well - than neither faith would be "good".
But that would be stupid of me....
tonygraz Offline
#58 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2016, 10:26 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
And the same for atheists, first it's a Christmas tree, then a Ten Commandments sign, suddenly you're beheading altar boys and homeless guys with pissy smelling shoes.


Again you are talking about a tiny part of a large group, if anything Atheists are pro religious freedom, though I doubt you could find more than a handfull that would would go the WBC route. Most are just concerned that public places should not tout religion or any of it's beliefs. Maybe you shouldn't mention altar boys as being an atheist target.
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#59 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 12:05 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
45 more to go before my prediction is true.


Show me, unless you believe being heartless and annoying is the equivalent to murder by calling it "religion"; in that case you'll have at least two folks agreeing with you.
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#60 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 12:41 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Again you are talking about a tiny part of a large group, if anything Atheists are pro religious freedom, though I doubt you could find more than a handfull that would would go the WBC route. Most are just concerned that public places should not tout religion or any of it's beliefs. Maybe you shouldn't mention altar boys as being an atheist target.


Lawsuits tell a much different story.
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#61 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 1:49 AM EST
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I think everyone here knows my stance on religion, so I won't go there... I mean, I totally would, but I haven't been drinking tonight.

But that "F@G Court" protest sign in the video though... fugging hilarious. Would have been funnier if they drew the d1ck in there though.

Oh ya... not a big fan of radical anythings.

Gene363 wrote:
And the same for atheists, first it's a Christmas tree, then a Ten Commandments sign, suddenly you're beheading altar boys and homeless guys with pissy smelling shoes.


lol wat? Nike come out with some new Razerz or something?

Also, I do like my Pagan Phallic ritual for the winter solstice thank you... just don't like digging it out of the attic.
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#62 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 5:18 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Tcby my interactions are through a couple three avenues. Friends/coworkers, a religious group I belong to that includes most major religions and discusses such things, and work. The only multistate of the three is work which covers 7 states one of which has a very high Muslim population.

You were being serious right?

I see no evidence of a push for shira law from my experience but evidently your direct experience is different because I know you wouldn't have a knee jerk reaction to something you know little about with no direct experience.

That said I'm no expert. I've just not personally experienced this plague you speak of nor have I seen any evidence that would convince me. I can be convinced but it would take more than hyperbole.

My Muslim neighbors and those in the interfaith group are good folk that I'll break bread with any day.



Okay Victor.....er ttdublu

I'm certain someone had said the same about the 19 highjackers, the Fort Hood Terrorist.....the San Bernadino Terrorists etc. Our failure to call a " spade a spade " in this instance will not work out well for us.
Break bread @ one point....blast your ass back to tomorrow another day in the Muslim lotto....Go visit the ultra friendly town of Dearbornistan, MI. and get back with me. That town is a classic case of assimilation herein the US. I've visited there a few times ( in my home state ) and NEVER felt comfortable. To each his own
I'm not making excuses for this radical group called Westboro as I find them appalling, just not AS appalling as those who run CAIR etc.
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#63 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 5:26 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Murder, trivial?

Of cource I was attempting to illustrate that religious groups have radicals that misguidedly take the word of their God too far, and use it to justify their hate, discrimination, murder or worse. Even the venerable Christians have WBC and the crusades - and there are other examples....

But I think the "modern wisdom" in America, if there is such a thing, is that Muslums are malicious by design and as a whole - which is what I would expect they think of us.




Yeah cuz......welll cuz them there Westerners.....themz some BAD Ombre"s man,,,,,they're going around blowing up chit / beheading folks and....AND....generally behaving poorly!!!!! fog

How about a nice long list of all the " Outreach programs under CAIR and other groups that help others than themselves??
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#64 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 5:32 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Does anyone really think it makes a difference? This whole "well my sports team (ooops, sorry, religion) hasn't beheaded anyone!?

It doesn't.

The instant you start thinking the group you belong to is better than the group other people belong to, and think that you intrinsically have greater value than they do simply because you follow selected parts of a random ancient text, while they follow selected parts of a random other ancient text... then you're the same as they are.

Just because you haven't beheaded anyone for your religion yet has more to do with a combination of random chance and lack of motivation more than anything intrinsically better about the individual.




Your ignorance is showing again....cupcake man

BTW....I could quote little to NOTHING from the Bible.....yet I have and do NOT see in the near future......
a desire to behead or massacre others based on my narrow sighted belief system. Radical Muslims are about as tolerant as the LGBTQRSTUV crowd,
tonygraz Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 7:23 AM EST
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Sounds like someone was listening to the worst of talk radio again.
Speyside Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 7:26 AM EST
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I didn't know Bill Maher had a radio show.
frankj1 Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 8:04 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Show me, unless you believe being heartless and annoying is the equivalent to murder by calling it "religion"; in that case you'll have at least two folks agreeing with you.

this was my prediction...

"By the time this thread reaches 100, I almost expect to be reading praise for Westboro."

not sure how you got to where you went with that.

But I will say that word choice does shape thought and reality...I am wary of calling Westboro "annoying".

I certainly agree with you that they have done nothing close to murder and other atrocities physically to their targets, but the OP was about Angels dealing with WBC, not that WBC=ISIS...apologists have been blunting that stand alone post since post #2.

Just pointing that out, not defending anyone.
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#68 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 8:19 AM EST
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During the Crusades, Christians beheaded anyone they could of the Muslim faith - all in the name of their religion

They came here to the New World and killed the Native Americans to steal their land.

And these days you have radical Christians killing doctors who perform abortions. They do it in the name of their religious beliefs.

Just because we're not killing people now doesn't mean we never did it. And extremists of any religion don't represent the entire religion.

I'm not saying this makes it ok for extremists to do what they do. I'm just saying that Christians weren't always the good guys.
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#69 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 8:21 AM EST
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westboro is a hateful group of idiots
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#70 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 8:30 AM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
During the Crusades, Christians beheaded anyone they could of the Muslim faith - all in the name of their religion

They came here to the New World and killed the Native Americans to steal their land.

And these days you have radical Christians killing doctors who perform abortions. They do it in the name of their religious beliefs.

Just because we're not killing people now doesn't mean we never did it. And extremists of any religion don't represent the entire religion.

I'm not saying this makes it ok for extremists to do what they do. I'm just saying that Christians weren't always the good guys.




They were defending themselves..... Except for the Native American thing.. I wouldn't consider the idiot Columbus a Crusader.. Not talking
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#71 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 8:46 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
They were defending themselves..... Except for the Native American thing.. I wouldn't consider the idiot Columbus a Crusader.. Not talking


shhhh

youre hurting that narrative of the blood thirsty Christians killing off 100s of millions and billions of muslims to satisfy their rage

next thing you know youll be quoting jefferson and his dealings with the muslims
tailgater Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 8:57 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Does anyone really think it makes a difference? This whole "well my sports team (ooops, sorry, religion) hasn't beheaded anyone!?

It doesn't.

The instant you start thinking the group you belong to is better than the group other people belong to, and think that you intrinsically have greater value than they do simply because you follow selected parts of a random ancient text, while they follow selected parts of a random other ancient text... then you're the same as they are.

Just because you haven't beheaded anyone for your religion yet has more to do with a combination of random chance and lack of motivation more than anything intrinsically better about the individual.


substitute "kick the homeless" for behead...
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#73 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 9:09 AM EST
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No one seems to have caught the key phrase

... Because of "selected parts of a random ancient text".

tailgater Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 9:14 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Again you are talking about a tiny part of a large group, if anything Atheists are pro religious freedom, though I doubt you could find more than a handfull that would would go the WBC route. Most are just concerned that public places should not tout religion or any of it's beliefs. Maybe you shouldn't mention altar boys as being an atheist target.


I think you truly believe this.
But you couldn't be more wrong.

You're talking about agnostics.

Atheists are as militant as the religious right, nearly as self righteous, and 10X as smug.

They're the Vegans of belief groups.
tailgater Offline
#75 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 9:15 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
No one seems to have caught the key phrase

... Because of "selected parts of a random ancient text".



I don't think they had the ability to text back then...
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 9:18 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
shhhh

youre hurting that narrative of the blood thirsty Christians killing off 100s of millions and billions of muslims to satisfy their rage

next thing you know youll be quoting jefferson and his dealings with the muslims


Weezy was muslim?
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#77 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 12:28 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
What's the issue here?

Angels block out the garbage Westboro lunies.

Eventually someone compared tasteless protests by WBC to the murdering rampages by extreme Muslims.


Wish I had the ability to use an economy of words like you did there
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#78 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 1:32 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Wish I had the ability to use an economy of words like you did there


i heard the economy is REALLY good (so good they keep deciding to keep interest rates at almost zero)

so theres that
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#79 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 1:35 PM EST
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it'll stay good as long as we keep printing money we don't have... and we may as well re-design again it since we're rolling in it... Mellow
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#80 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 7:15 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
They were defending themselves..... Not talking

Is that what you think radical Muslims are doing now?
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#81 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2016, 9:24 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I think you truly believe this.
But you couldn't be more wrong.

You're talking about agnostics.

Atheists are as militant as the religious right, nearly as self righteous, and 10X as smug.

They're the Vegans of belief groups.




More wrong ? Agnostics are those that hedge their bets, very few Atheists are activists or militant. Pastafarians are often Atheists that like to make fun of the holy books the radicals love.
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#82 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 1:09 AM EST
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Tailgater atheist bashing again?

I'm no where near as militant, probably not as self righteous, and pretty sure only equally as smug as you are :)

And that whole vegan comment, you sir have offended me... that's hard to do (reminds me, I have to New York strips in the fridge that need to be grilled).

Just like most social subsets, the ones you see are vastly outnumbered by the ones you don't.

Most of us just embrace chaos and throw a butterfly or two in the mix from time to time.
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#83 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 6:39 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Is that what you think radical Muslims are doing now?



far from it... their mission is to kill da infidels.. no matter what faith they may be... Mellow
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#84 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 8:47 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
Tailgater atheist bashing again?

I'm no where near as militant, probably not as self righteous, and pretty sure only equally as smug as you are :)

And that whole vegan comment, you sir have offended me... that's hard to do (reminds me, I have to New York strips in the fridge that need to be grilled).

Just like most social subsets, the ones you see are vastly outnumbered by the ones you don't.

Most of us just embrace chaos and throw a butterfly or two in the mix from time to time.


The vegan comparison is the most important part.

There's a joke going around:

A vegan, an atheist and a cross-fitter walk into a bar.
I know, because they each told me within the first 5 minutes.
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#85 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 8:48 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
More wrong ? Agnostics are those that hedge their bets, very few Atheists are activists or militant. Pastafarians are often Atheists that like to make fun of the holy books the radicals love.


Your naivete is adorable.
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#86 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 8:51 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
far from it... their mission is to kill da infidels.. no matter what faith they may be... Mellow

You really believe that 20% of the people in the world are under orders from their God to kill people?

You been listing to too much hate man....Not talking
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#87 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 8:55 AM EST
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I didn't say that... the ISIS dudes are killing Mooslims too... Because they read in their book to 'Kill da White man, and anyone else who thinks like they do'.... Do you really believe they're killing anybody that disagrres with them cause we droppped a few bombs in Afghanistan..?? Huh
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#88 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 8:58 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
The vegan comparison is the most important part.

There's a joke going around:

A vegan, an atheist and a cross-fitter walk into a bar.
I know, because they each told me within the first 5 minutes.




Rimshot! Beer
Gene363 Offline
#89 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 9:00 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I didn't say that... the ISIS dudes are killing Mooslims too... Because they read in their book to 'Kill da White man, and anyone else who thinks like they do'.... Do you really believe they're killing anybody that disagrres with them cause we droppped a few bombs in Afghanistan..?? Huh


The kill the atheist too, not sure if they go off the top of a building, get beheaded or burned alive though.
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#90 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 9:02 AM EST
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prolly depends on whether or not there's a tall building or a fire around... Mellow
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#91 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 9:16 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I didn't say that... the ISIS dudes are killing Mooslims too... Because they read in their book to 'Kill da White man, and anyone else who thinks like they do'.... Do you really believe they're killing anybody that disagrres with them cause we droppped a few bombs in Afghanistan..?? Huh


they were slaughtering before bombs existed and will continue when we are using laser guns instead
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#92 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 9:23 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Your naivete is adorable.



Unlike yours....


Tail, nobody has atheists ringing their door bell or asking for donations. They don't have 12 different TV networks on TV, hell they don't even seem to exist.

Btw - Agnosticism is actually a philosophical belief. So it's not a religion...
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#93 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 9:28 AM EST
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Think
So who are the guys insisting we remove 10 commandment monuments and stuff from the court houses..?? not to mention no prayers in schools and stuff... Huh
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#94 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 9:33 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
So who are the guys insisting we remove 10 commandment monuments and stuff from the court houses..?? not to mention no prayers in schools and stuff... Huh


lizard people i think

either that or crab people
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#95 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 9:34 AM EST
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screw the crab peoples... Not talking
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#96 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 9:46 AM EST
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Crabby Crab
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#97 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 9:49 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Unlike yours....


Tail, nobody has atheists ringing their door bell or asking for donations. They don't have 12 different TV networks on TV, hell they don't even seem to exist.

Btw - Agnosticism is actually a philosophical belief. So it's not a religion...



BGZ: Hello, this is BGZ from the Nondenominational Atheists Society of America, I'm here today to ask for your donations to our cause to encourage and promote our belief system onto today's aspiring youth of our great nation.

Home Owner: Uh, I cannot donate to your cause because I'm a good Christian man, and I couldn't fathom giving money to a non-believer for their religion.

BGZ: Well sir, we are not a religion, we run a youth organization for the young adults in our society coming out of college and preparing them for the world regardless of race, religion or creed.

Home Owner: So let me ask you this, if I give you the money, what exactly are you going to do with it?

BGZ: Hookers and blow bro, hookers and blow!
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#98 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 9:51 AM EST
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When all the world is metrosexual, the crab people will finally reign supreme!
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#99 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 9:52 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
The vegan comparison is the most important part.

There's a joke going around:

A vegan, an atheist and a cross-fitter walk into a bar.
I know, because they each told me within the first 5 minutes.





Probably only cause your fat ass offered them a donut and a hamburger and asked them to pray with you, rofl.
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#100 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2016, 10:00 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
Probably only cause your fat ass offered them a donut and a hamburger and asked them to pray with you, rofl.


Offer an atheist a burger and all you get is crap, oh and an fat insult. Might have been a veggie burger too.
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