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Massachusetts passes transgender law.
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Interesting.
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Speyside wrote:
Interesting.




More like sickening.....but yeahd'oh! ....RollEyes......and lastly....BARF!

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So the rights of the few transgendered outweigh the rights of the many who are not. Got it.

Personally, I don't care how people identify. It won't affect me where these folks choose to take a leak, I just find it odd that the few are now more entitled to their rights than the many.
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MACS wrote:
So the rights of the few transgendered outweigh the rights of the many who are not. Got it.

Personally, I don't care how people identify. It won't affect me where these folks choose to take a leak, I just find it odd that the few are now more entitled to their rights than the many.



Agree, but I DO have concern for the Women and young girls who Will Be affected in a big way by this....

Neither do I to some extent.....however it wasn't that long ago that these folks would be considered NO LESS mentally challenged than the guy / woman who swore she / he was a F'n SuperHero....
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MACS wrote:
So the rights of the few transgendered outweigh the rights of the many who are not. Got it.

Personally, I don't care how people identify. It won't affect me where these folks choose to take a leak, I just find it odd that the few are now more entitled to their rights than the many.

It's supposed to be Liberty for all - not just the homophobic....
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It's supposed to be Liberty for all - not just the homophobic....



You Homosensitive folks sure like your disparaging name calling don;t ya?
Tell me why it's okay to hang a moniker around the necks of those who simply Do Not Agree with your quirky worldview on homosexuality and WHY is it SO important that everyone else be FORCED to EMBRACE this mental quagmire? Is that what it is....." liberating " to FORCE your way into a restroom that has historically been and should remain GENDER SPECIFIC? All this BS to allow a few mentally debased folks " feel good about themselves " is TOO high a price to be paid....IMHO
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these laws are not pro homosexual not pro pedophile.
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frankj1 wrote:
these laws are not pro homosexual not pro pedophile.




BS....put the shoe on the other foot for a change of pace.....let's say for the sake of conversation that these tender folks already enjoyed THEIR OWN separate restrooms ans another group was FORCING their way in.....would this STILL FLY???? I think NOT
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TMCTLT wrote:
BS....put the shoe on the other foot for a change of pace.....let's say for the sake of conversation that these tender folks already enjoyed THEIR OWN separate restrooms ans another group was FORCING their way in.....would this STILL FLY???? I think NOT

hey, you know, believe what you want. But hearing them being called "tender folk" kind of supports their point Paul.
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Most reasonable people who don't agree with this aren't afraid of transgendered or the "gays"........it's the sikkos that would leverage the law for access, and also the feelings of the women who have to use open bathrooms.

You wanna go in a men's room? LMAO!! WGAF.....have fun looking at our toilet seats in public rest rooms.

Chivalry isn't dead, and for some it's ingrained. And I would venture to bet more WOMEN are effected by their wants in the restroom who dissaprove than the .03% of transgendered who want this.
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I think Z spoke what many of us feel. Also to call someone a homophobe over this is a broad stroke that is inaccurate for most of us. To want women and girls to feel safe and comfortable is a legitimate concern.
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Speyside wrote:
I think Z spoke what many of us feel. Also to call someone a homophobe over this is a broad stroke that is inaccurate for most of us. To want women and girls to feel safe and comfortable is a legitimate concern.

I certainly did not intend to call anyone against this a homophobe, but I definitely did mean to point out that equating gays and transgendered with mentally ill criminal types like pedophiles while calling them ugly names is making their argument.

i would like to add that I don't expect to change any minds and look forward to living and debating in a land where one side or the other is always upset without fear of either side being whipped with canes!
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I certainly did not intend to call anyone against this a homophobe, but I definitely did mean to point out that equating gays and transgendered with mentally ill criminal types like pedophiles while calling them ugly names is making their argument.

i would like to add that I don't expect to change any minds and look forward to living and debating in a land where one side or the other is always upset without fear of either side being whipped with canes!



Sorry Frank we'll never agree on this one, there IS a mental problem @ hand for many of these people and I'm NOT calling anyone an ugly name....yet I feel it UGLY to call others who just don't see it their way THEIR NAMES they create just for that instance. The term HOMOPHOBE didn't exist to my knowledge until someone openly disagreed with their " worldview " on the whole issue homosexuality, and I most certainly did not compare them to " criminal pedophile types " but then WE DON'T know who they are till they " show their hand " if you will. But by all means lets go along with yet another Obama " Social Experiment " while turning our heads to the very right Women and girls already had before this crap....
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Brewha wrote:
It's supposed to be Liberty for all - not just the homophobic....


You obviously have no idea what you're talking about if you're calling me homophobic.
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Phobia and ignorance are often used interchangeably but only some of the time should be.
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Frank, I was referring to Brewha's comment.
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TW, do you really think it is ignorant to want women and girls to feel safe?
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I think some on the left who call people on the right who say "ALL lives matter" racists, are funny with the bathrooms. Women's Safety Matters is a movement for safe movements, and not a judgement upon transgenders.
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If you're against my opinion you're UNREASONABLE, IGNORANT, RACIST, HOMOPHOBE, JINGOISTIC.......

always a great argument for both your feelings, and someone else's beliefs.

(Not aimed at Frank btw)
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Z. That would be meaningful if anyone intended to actually enforce it or anything. But since enforcement would be ridiculous, it becomes clear it's just a "we don't want your kind round here" law.
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Victor, all Americans deserve equal treatment under the law. But common sense dictates that you harm no one to protect others rights. Their needs to be a different solution.
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Not sure where anyone is harmed.
Interestingly, I'd be willing to bet that up until all these bathroom brewhuahuas transgendered used the bathroom they were identifying as, and no one cared. Suddenly election year comes around and the Republicans needed something to rally the religious base, so they tried making laws against it, then the dems needed to rally their base so they made laws for it.

Before all these laws no one cared, why do they now?
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teedubbya wrote:
Phobia and ignorance are often used interchangeably but only some of the time should be.


And if you're calling me ignorant, you can kiss my ass. Neither of you know me so you can shove your judgments.
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What I think is missing is solid data. What I am stating is my opinion. I think there will be a percentage of women and girls that will be scared or uncomfortable knowing transgender women can be in their bathroom. Before there was a talking point and laws they were bissfully ignorant of the possibility. I would like to see a legitimate study that would show my opinion to be right or wrong. I know the percentage of transgender people is miniscule, but I want women and girls to be unafraid.
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BTW. I am speaking of preoperative transgender females. Their plumbing is anatomically male. I have no problem with postoperative transgender females in the ladies room.
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BTW. I am speaking of preoperative transgender females. Their plumbing is anatomically male. I have no problem with postoperative transgender females in the ladies room.


Exactly... if you got a dangly... you're a male. If you got a whohaw... you're a female. Use the appropriate friggin bathroom.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
If you're against my opinion you're UNREASONABLE, IGNORANT, RACIST, HOMOPHOBE, JINGOISTIC.......

always a great argument for both your feelings, and someone else's beliefs.

(Not aimed at Frank btw)

How do I get off easy? I love jingoists.
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ZRX1200 wrote:


Chivalry isn't dead, and for some it's ingrained.

Found myself pondering this line from your quote while out and about with the lovely Caren this afternoon. Not a beach day so we headed for an open air farmers/artisans market in Boston's South End. We do this many Summer Sundays if the weather is iffy.

Despite my lefty inclination, I am somewhat an adherent to (many) traditions. I don't accept the thought of change easily, and your words resonated with me. I've always been more than aware of the fact that this neighborhood and this particular weekly event is attended by the widest spectrum of human types imaginable, and no one ever seems the least bit weirded out by the "freaks"...and the "freaks" are just kind of shopping and taking in the good vibes too. No one is threatened, no one feels persecuted, no one is acting out trying to be in anyone's face, and probably no one but me was even looking for discomfort in the crowd

Somehow we need to find some way to sincerely respect the people you reference while not depriving a group we never knew who were hiding in shame in the shadows to come out into the light of freedom.

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... Jingoist.
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victor809 wrote:
... Jingoist.

well, not me...yet. i just find them attractive so far.
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Macs I wasn't calling you anything but your outrage is duly noted.
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victor809 wrote:
Not sure where anyone is harmed.
Interestingly, I'd be willing to bet that up until all these bathroom brewhuahuas transgendered used the bathroom they were identifying as, and no one cared. Suddenly election year comes around and the Republicans needed something to rally the religious base, so they tried making laws against it, then the dems needed to rally their base so they made laws for it.

Before all these laws no one cared, why do they now?



+1
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No one cared..?? If some dude walked in the restroom with my wife I woulda cared... if I had a daughter i'd prolly be outraged. .. Mellow
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What... Have you never pizzed next to a chick?

Seriously drafter. Your outrage is tiresome.
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Good to know... at least your listening... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
No one cared..?? If some dude walked in the restroom with my wife I woulda cared... if I had a daughter i'd prolly be outraged. .. Mellow


You must be a racist or homophobe or somethin Think

Why do you hate everyone drafter ram27bat
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I don't... but being told how I should think gets tiresome.. Mellow
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Well if you just listened and stopped being such a bigot
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Ya.. I suppose if I started hanging around with transgenders in transgender bars and stuff I'd could learn to be a little more sympathetic. ... not gonna tho... Mellow
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maybe did already and didn't know it.
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btw, Gov.of MA Baker is a Republican, and the same day he signed the transgender bill he vetoed/trimmed budgeted spending, most heavily on child care for low income families, and homelessness services.

It's very likely that the Legislature will restore several million in cuts, but it is noteworthy that this man was able to be elected in MA and would probably win by an even bigger margin tomorrow. Prolly cuz he likes Tom Brady.
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I like Tom Brady.
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sd72 wrote:
I like Tom Brady.

you are difficult to categorize. LIKE!
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Tom Brady is transgendered. Early stages. Just starting to deflate his balz.
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and one of the few that is as comfortable in the Women's Rest Room as in the Men's
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victor809 wrote:
Not sure where anyone is harmed.
Interestingly, I'd be willing to bet that up until all these bathroom brewhuahuas transgendered used the bathroom they were identifying as, and no one cared. Suddenly election year comes around and the Republicans needed something to rally the religious base, so they tried making laws against it, then the dems needed to rally their base so they made laws for it.

Before all these laws no one cared, why do they now?


Because we don't need a law for this, it's a stupid waste of time, it's a way to shove a questionable gender issue, sorry chromosomes don't lie, at society and it's a great diversion for politicians to divert attention from the usual nefarious activities.

Oh, and could you please point out the Massachusetts republicans that came up with this law.Shame on you
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I'm on board with the unnecessary law line of thought. There shouldn't be a law dictating which the can or can't go in to. As for the other garbage, garbage in garbage out.
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[quote=Gene363}

Oh, and could you please point out the Massachusetts republicans that came up with this law.Shame on you [/quote]

I mentioned Governor Baker, not Victor...and I only pointed out he signed it, not proposed it. However, it was not under duress, he had no problem.
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TMCTLT wrote:
You Homosensitive folks sure like your disparaging name calling don;t ya?
Tell me why it's okay to hang a moniker around the necks of those who simply Do Not Agree with your quirky worldview on homosexuality and WHY is it SO important that everyone else be FORCED to EMBRACE this mental quagmire? Is that what it is....." liberating " to FORCE your way into a restroom that has historically been and should remain GENDER SPECIFIC? All this BS to allow a few mentally debased folks " feel good about themselves " is TOO high a price to be paid....IMHO

In fairness, the term homophobic is in accurate. I suppose the phrase should be gender phobic.

It’s not about embracing a quirky view – it is about not discriminating. Transgender people have rights in spite of those who “don’t agree with their world view”. So learn to share the bathroom - you cheapskate...
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TMCTLT wrote:
BS....put the shoe on the other foot for a change of pace.....let's say for the sake of conversation that these tender folks already enjoyed THEIR OWN separate restrooms ans another group was FORCING their way in.....would this STILL FLY???? I think NOT


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