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Brewha Offline
#51 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 3:35 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I think Z spoke what many of us feel. Also to call someone a homophobe over this is a broad stroke that is inaccurate for most of us. To want women and girls to feel safe and comfortable is a legitimate concern.

Since about half of all pedophiles are female I guess the bathrooms were never safe for women and girls....
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#52 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 3:39 PM EST
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The rest of the world has to accept the views of .002% of the population. .?? No-one is denying them a public bathroom... just use the one you're suppose to let the rest of the world enjoy some normality... Mellow


Just my opinion by the way... I'm not pushing a bill through congress or anything. .. I do have rights also... I choose to think this is BS... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#53 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 3:40 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
And if you're calling me ignorant, you can kiss my ass. Neither of you know me so you can shove your judgments.

I'm not calling you ignorant MACS.

Are you phobic about transgender folks in the stall next to you? You shouldn't be.

Even when a born male is dressed in his female identity - "it" would be using a stall.
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#54 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 3:50 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
The rest of the world has to accept the views of .002% of the population. .?? No-one is denying them a public bathroom... just use the one you're suppose to let the rest of the world enjoy some normality... Mellow


Just my opinion by the way... I'm not pushing a bill through congress or anything. .. I do have rights also... I choose to think this is BS... Mellow

A lot more than .002% of the population feel that people should be able to use the restroom of their chosen gender identity free from penalty of law.

A law against;
Lewd activity is a rest room - fine.
Exposing your self in public - fine.
Sexual harassment - fine.

Jenner being jailed for using the ladies room - no, sorry.
I may not like him/her, but they still get to use the can...
Speyside Offline
#55 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 4:04 PM EST
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Brewha, BS on 50% of pedophiles being female, 96% of sex offenders are male. Female pedophiles are uncommon, 12%. This was an article from ABC news using 1999 statistics. The other articles I read gave similar numbers. Also, don't put words in my mouth, I was never metioned sex crimes directly. I spoke about the feeling of saftey.
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#56 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 4:08 PM EST
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It is what it is... I'm not gonna paint a sign and march downtown screaming about... I just don't like being expected to accept it as normal... cause it's not... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#57 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 4:27 PM EST
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Drafter, I get tired of people using inaccurate numbers or generalizations to further their agenda. Yes more Americans than .02% think unisex bathrooms are acceptabe. But 26%, the number I found in the Huffington post is vastly a minority.

I try to state what I am saying is my opinion and do not try to state it is a fact. Perhaps I am going over the top on Brewha, but my perception of his factual inaccuracy has irritated me. If he comes back and shows me statistics that back him up then I am wrong.
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#58 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 4:29 PM EST
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Actually, division of bathrooms into a male and female bathroom is a reasonably recent addition to our society. One would say that's not "normal". But it happened before anyone here was born, so they just assume it's always been that way.
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#59 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 5:33 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Brewha, BS on 50% of pedophiles being female, 96% of sex offenders are male. Female pedophiles are uncommon, 12%. This was an article from ABC news using 1999 statistics. The other articles I read gave similar numbers. Also, don't put words in my mouth, I was never metioned sex crimes directly. I spoke about the feeling of saftey.

http://www.femalesexoffenders.org/2010/09/toptenmythsaboutfemalesexoffenders

So, if feeling safe is the issue, are we to ban "scary" people from the restroom? Does a drunk biker wearing colors count as scary? How bout them mooslums - they's some scary. Some guy in robes with a head wrap in my bathroom???


Honestly - I am working to see your point, but I don't....



I'll tell you a story - Elen Degeneres (whom I have never cared for) said in an interview that she really didn't get any flack for being openly gay. But she got a lot of rude comments and hate mail for being androgynous. The fact that she wears sexually ambiguous close offend people and makes some "uncomfortable". But who should really care? I mean people get uncomfortable with gender role issues just like the do with religious issues.

Next thing we'll know, the will be a call from the right to bring back "white only" fountains....
Brewha Offline
#60 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 5:36 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
It is what it is... I'm not gonna paint a sign and march downtown screaming about... I just don't like being expected to accept it as normal... cause it's not... Mellow

I'm not saying they are "normal". I am saying they have a right to use the bathroom.....
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#61 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 5:40 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Drafter, I get tired of people using inaccurate numbers or generalizations to further their agenda....



Uh, Speyside - uh, you know Drafter watches FoxNews, right?



Angel
Speyside Offline
#62 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 5:58 PM EST
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LMAO, point taken.

BTW, thank you for showing where your info came from. Interesting that it contradicts what I found. Which is right, which is wrong? I don't know.

I follow your point, but I do disagree. But I certainly can agree to disagree.
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#63 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 6:14 PM EST
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There is no shortage of "facts" and "studies" in the net. While "femalesexoffenders.org" is most likely a well intentioned and scientific site (rolling eyes), maybe it is best to consult some other sources.

http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF
Try page 21 for starters

Human males are the vilest of all earthly creatures and it's not even close.
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#64 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 6:24 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Actually, division of bathrooms into a male and female bathroom is a reasonably recent addition to our society. One would say that's not "normal". But it happened before anyone here was born, so they just assume it's always been that way.


why do you say something right every once in a while and be so bat**** crazy the rest of the time ?
Brewha Offline
#65 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 7:08 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
LMAO, point taken.

BTW, thank you for showing where your info came from. Interesting that it contradicts what I found. Which is right, which is wrong? I don't know.

I follow your point, but I do disagree. But I certainly can agree to disagree.

Fair enough.

But I ask you to consider; the trannys are and effed up bunch. These people struggle to get through what we take for granted and are embraced for. And I don't see them pushing any one to be one of them - they just want to get by.
I say give the poor bastards a break....
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#66 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 7:30 PM EST
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You know it's funny. I would prefer you call them transgendered. I think tranny is a derogatory term. The only issue I have is I think anatomy defines which rest room to use, not brain function for lack of a better term. Though I totally believe brain function defines identity on many levels, go figure.
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#67 Posted: Mon, Jul 11 2016, 7:49 PM EST
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Actually separating the bathrooms at all is probably unnecessary and not normal in many part of the world. It's a learned behavior. We teach that nudity is bad, something to be ashamed of or something naughty. It's too bad this is an issue at all, tranny or not.
TMCTLT Offline
#68 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 12:09 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Actually separating the bathrooms at all is probably unnecessary and not normal in many part of the world. It's a learned behavior. We teach that nudity is bad, something to be ashamed of or something naughty. It's too bad this is an issue at all, tranny or not.




yeah...lets just get back to ****ting along the streets in a ditch the way they still do elsewhere around the globe, this isn't about nudity...it's about some mentally deficient folks wanting to force their way into someone elses bathrooms and locker rooms. I am mildly curious though, are the ladies in your immediate and extended family as
" open minded " about sharing their bathrooms with mental male misfits as you are?
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#69 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 12:22 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Fair enough.

But I ask you to consider; the trannys are and effed up bunch. These people struggle to get through what we take for granted and are embraced for. And I don't see them pushing any one to be one of them - they just want to get by.
I say give the poor bastards a break....



I'm pretty sure they chose that life... Mellow
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#70 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 12:23 PM EST
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when you mention sharing bathrooms, are you saying occupying at the same time or taking turns in the room..?? Huh
MACS Offline
#71 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 12:23 PM EST
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TMCTLT - even if you believe these folks are mentally deficient, is it any cause to be derogatory? Would you make fun of someone with downs syndrome? Cerebral palsy?

You can disagree with a law and a way of life, but for God's sake, have a heart.
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#72 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 5:55 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
TMCTLT - even if you believe these folks are mentally deficient, is it any cause to be derogatory? Would you make fun of someone with downs syndrome? Cerebral palsy?

You can disagree with a law and a way of life, but for God's sake, have a heart.



Oh please....perhaps your right, I admit I'm so Fing sick of ALL this BS dominating our news outlets that there's NO escaping it....it's on the radio...it's on TV!! and moreover I'm sick of this administration sticking it's nose in all these social issues that ARE NOT of federal concern when we have MUCH Larger concerns. Oh and where exactly where was I " derogatory " And for you to compare this to Downs syndrome / cerebral palsy.....d'oh! Last I checked these are birth related issues you use as comparison....has science indeed " found the homosexual gene in human DNA?
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 6:20 PM EST
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Yes. It's either ****ting in the street or nothing lol. Good lord you are extreme.
Brewha Offline
#74 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 7:15 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I'm pretty sure they chose that life... Mellow

And what of it?

Even if the science that points to this being a natural thing, and unavoidable querk of nature, were wrong. What then? Let's pretend that some born male children don't have a chemical testosterone rejection - let's just say.

Do you believe they do not have the right to choose? Is this Liberty not to be protected under the law?



All I'm saying is that "liberty and the pursue of happiness for all" has the expense of us all having the character to allow it. This is not an Arab Nation - we as Americans are supposed to get to do any damn thing we please - Provided it does not cause an unfair burden on others.
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#75 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 7:17 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
when you mention sharing bathrooms, are you saying occupying at the same time or taking turns in the room..?? Huh

Depends. Are we talkin more than one stall?
Brewha Offline
#76 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 7:19 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Oh please....perhaps your right, I admit I'm so Fing sick of ALL this BS dominating our news outlets that there's NO escaping it....it's on the radio...it's on TV!! and moreover I'm sick of this administration sticking it's nose in all these social issues that ARE NOT of federal concern when we have MUCH Larger concerns. Oh and where exactly where was I " derogatory " And for you to compare this to Downs syndrome / cerebral palsy.....d'oh! Last I checked these are birth related issues you use as comparison....has science indeed " found the homosexual gene in human DNA?

So - You watch FoxNews too?
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#77 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 7:25 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Yes. It's either ****ting in the street or nothing lol...

Like France?
DrafterX Offline
#78 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 7:33 PM EST
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LeHockeyDad would be outraged... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#79 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 8:13 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
LeHockeyDad would be outraged... Mellow

True...true....
MACS Offline
#80 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 8:53 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Oh please....perhaps your right, I admit I'm so Fing sick of ALL this BS dominating our news outlets that there's NO escaping it....it's on the radio...it's on TV!! and moreover I'm sick of this administration sticking it's nose in all these social issues that ARE NOT of federal concern when we have MUCH Larger concerns. Oh and where exactly where was I " derogatory " And for you to compare this to Downs syndrome / cerebral palsy.....d'oh! Last I checked these are birth related issues you use as comparison....has science indeed " found the homosexual gene in human DNA?


Highlighted.

TMCTLT wrote:
yeah...lets just get back to ****ting along the streets in a ditch the way they still do elsewhere around the globe, this isn't about nudity...it's about some mentally deficient folks wanting to force their way into someone elses bathrooms and locker rooms. I am mildly curious though, are the ladies in your immediate and extended family as
" open minded " about sharing their bathrooms with mental male misfits as you are?


Are they mentally deficient, or not? Is downs syndrome/cerebral palsy not a type of genetic deficiency/disorder?

Were you not calling homosexuals/transgenders mentally deficient folk? That's derogatory. If you can't see that, perhaps you are afraid of catching the gay... a possible sign of latent homosexuality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHmefyksm_I
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#81 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 9:45 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Highlighted.



Are they mentally deficient, or not? Is downs syndrome/cerebral palsy not a type of genetic deficiency/disorder?

Were you not calling homosexuals/transgenders mentally deficient folk? That's derogatory. If you can't see that, perhaps you are afraid of catching the gay... a possible sign of latent homosexuality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHmefyksm_I


Maybe he is a self loathing gay dude or dudette.
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#82 Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2016, 10:08 PM EST
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Is self loathing like when I cry while self pleasuring?
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#83 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 6:09 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Is self loathing like when I cry while self pleasuring?


only if you like it when you hurt yourself
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#84 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 6:23 AM EST
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I can't imagine anything hurting TW these days...


that cappybera never did show up did it.. ?? Think
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#85 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 6:56 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
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Are they mentally deficient, or not? Is downs syndrome/cerebral palsy not a type of genetic deficiency/disorder?

Were you not calling homosexuals/transgenders mentally deficient folk? That's derogatory. If you can't see that, perhaps you are afraid of catching the gay... a possible sign of latent homosexuality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHmefyksm_I




Not sure what your useless link was....and if you and Bandy ( foul mouthed **** e r ) are trying to guilt trip me....it is Not gonna work.
Hell between the two of YOU I get called worse DEROGATORY names than I use for these mental maniacs...
Get over your tender selves....

This IS EASY.....they have NO RIGHT to force their way in to another genders bathroom or locker room PERIOD
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#86 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 7:01 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Yes. It's either ****ting in the street or nothing lol. Good lord you are extreme.




You didn't answer my question.....How do the WOMEN in your life feel about YOU and others " giving away " their bathroom rights to Men? Because if they STILL have their junk like Brucie Jenner....they're STILL MEN

And your reply IS HILARIOUS......you don't think it EXTREME that men who've NOT gone through any kind of " sex change " should simply be able to request to " change bathrooms.....and all women and young girls should be okay with it ( not to mention the husbands and fathers ) yeah....I'm extreme that's funny!!!!
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#87 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 7:06 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
So - You watch FoxNews too?





THIS ^^^^^ never gets old for you does it. Good Boy Brewha.....good boy way to march in step =d>


Brewha wrote:
And what of it?

Even if the science that points to this being a natural thing, and unavoidable querk of nature, were wrong. What then? Let's pretend that some born male children don't have a chemical testosterone rejection - let's just say.

Do you believe they do not have the right to choose? Is this Liberty not to be protected under the law?



All I'm saying is that "liberty and the pursue of happiness for all" has the expense of us all having the character to allow it. This is not an Arab Nation - we as Americans are supposed to get to do any damn thing we please - Provided it does not cause an unfair burden on others.




Brewha wrote:
Like San Francisco?



Fixed it for you


Herein lies the problem....no one asked those who would be " burdened " by this what they even thought before HANDING OVER their restrooms. Why does this tiny segment of societies rights TRUMP that of others?????
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#88 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 7:16 AM EST
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We should have a vote on stuff like this.... Mellow
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#89 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 7:23 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
We should have a vote on stuff like this.... Mellow



ABSOLUTELY.....although the good folks of California DID get to vote on Prop 9
and then their elected idiots still governed as they saw fit.....we could go through the motions but in the end these Bastards do what they please
( cause they know better what's best for us ) Cursing
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#90 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 7:29 AM EST
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It would still send a message.. Mellow
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#91 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 7:56 AM EST
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Ok tmctlt u shared the thread with my wife since it's important to you to know what she thinks. She's more direct than I am so I will quote her.

"Who is this moron and why are you dealing with him? why is he so scared?"

You asked. And you are extreme dude.
teedubbya Offline
#92 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 7:57 AM EST
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U should not be next to I on a phone lol.
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#93 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 7:57 AM EST
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If you'd get over your self righteous indignation for just a second, you'd see I agree with you. I've stated I believe they should use the bathroom appropriate to their gender.

Show me where I called you anything derogatory. I just said there is no reason for you to be derogatory toward them.

Carry on.
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#94 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:04 AM EST
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My original reply didn't address any of the strawmen you throw out. If you lean to read you'll see I don't think there should be laws allowing them to use any restrooms or preventing them. There is nothing necessary and it's not a big issue. It's a wedge issue for both sides and is silly.

All I was saying is we have taught nudity is naughty and much of the world hasn't learned about the naughtiness like we have. You went to the rest the world **** in the street. That's extreme.

I don't really care where Bruce Jenner **** or pees. I think we've also gone way to far when we are putting guys that pee behind a tree on sex offender lists. It's a learned thing to be so prudish and it really doesn't accomplish anything.

In general if a law isn't necessary I'm against it. We don't need new laws prohibiting or allowing anything.
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#95 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:06 AM EST
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Macs it's how he works. He argues with what he thinks you said rather than what you said. Meh. Its like the person who is thinking so hard about their reply they never hear what they are about to reply to. Amusing because they think they are brilliant.

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#96 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:18 AM EST
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Think
can't a dude just throw his opinion out there without being analyzed & categorized and stuff..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#97 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:25 AM EST
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No
teedubbya Offline
#98 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:25 AM EST
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lol
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#99 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:26 AM EST
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Laugh
teedubbya Offline
#100 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:27 AM EST
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My wife thinks I'm a moron too so I wouldn't let it phase you lol.
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