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California NAACP Wants to Get Rid of National Anthem
MACS Offline
#101 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
... "blacks do x"...
You realize in that statement you have stereotyped an entire racial group...


Like you do with "white guys"? Hello pot. Meet kettle.
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#102 Posted:
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Find a single instance where I have
MACS Offline
#103 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Find a single instance where I have


You can't be serious. Post 21 in this thread, for instance.

Parse words, but you do it and you know it.

victor809 wrote:
I said accused... not guilty.

Doubt it will kill his career... republican voters these days are big fans of guys accused of sexual assault.... unless they have a "D" in front


^^And here you stereotyped an entire political party.
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#104 Posted:
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... this isn't "parsing words"... I do not state "all middle aged white guys do x" anywhere
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#105 Posted:
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And a political party is a choice... I stereotype everyone who chooses to associate themselves with the nazi party too... and anyone who chooses to be vegan...
There is a difference between stereotyping people based on the choices they have made and groups they have chosen to associate with than stereotyping based on race. If you refuse to see that difference then I don't think there is any more we can discuss on the subject.
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#106 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
True...at first glance the two words seem somewhat similar, but there is a difference, and somehow can be a huge difference. And there are more people accepting of minorities. As an example, the number of inter-racial marriages (like mine) has increased tremendously, nearly 6 times the rate compared to 50 years ago at the passage of the CRA.

But there are also indications of tolerance. Some cities are seeing ethnic and racial segregation. People live next to each other but barely interact.

Which describes how we have responded to the hurricane damaged Puerto Rico?

and should we ask frank to have the descendants of Simon Wiesenthal change the name of The Museum of Tolerance?




I'll pass
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#107 Posted:
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Curious how we coulda responded better to Puerto Rico... We delivered chit... Were we supposed to distribute it too..?? Did we do bad just because an anti-Trump mayor said we did bad..?? Non of the other public officials complained.... Think
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#108 Posted:
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Sigh
DrafterX Offline
#109 Posted:
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Cheer up little buckaroo... I was just stirring da pot... Mellow
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#110 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Curious how we coulda responded better to Puerto Rico... We delivered chit... Were we supposed to distribute it too..?? Did we do bad just because an anti-Trump mayor said we did bad..?? Non of the other public officials complained.... Think

I actually don't think a bulk of the problem with PR was because of trump. Of course, the idiot then had to go and say he gives himself an "A+" on his response... If the orange moron (oron?) had just kept his mouth shut about all that and sent in FEMA, he would be reasonably blameless...

At this point it isn't just the "anti trump mayor" I beleive the governor (who was previously pro trump) is now saying it's a mess....

There's a fundamental problem to supporting a devastated island as opposed to a devastated continental US state... Unless you import man-power and support for this manpower, you simply won't have the same ability to distribute goods, and fix problems. The entire population of the island is occupied with staying alive, and less so with trying to drive trucks or hang electrical cable... in an island setting, a complete breakdown of infrastructure essentially removes your labor force as well. While in other states, you can ask a dude from just outside the trashed area to come in and work... then go back home to his running water and electricity when he's done. He doesn't have to spend his day trying to find drinkable water for his family or a way to charge his phone...

Islands will always be a more challenging rebuild. That's not trump's fault (unless he fired the people at FEMA who would have known this, but I don't have any evidence to state that)... his responses when things were identified as not going well, that's his own dumb fault.
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#111 Posted:
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I'm heading there soon.. I'll take some extra supplies and stuff for them... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#112 Posted:
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Remember right after it happened when it wasn’t a big deal?

I remember some in here saying power would be up in a week or two, presumably based on the news sources they tend to believe

How about the focus on tying things to their debt?

I think we will find manipulation of death numbers.

But everything is great, has been done well and the mayor of San Juan is just a dumb chica.

I’ve got coworkers down there right now and have sent my share of care packages to friends and family. It’s a mess. There are lots of folks trying their best but things are being treated differently than Houston or New Orleans at the political leadership level.

It’s also yesterday’s news. We are moving past it quickly.

Things are worse there than we are hearing. I just got a really depressing email from a friend last night. We’d been trying to get ahold of her and her family for weeks. Reading her email made me nauseous.

I’m not blaming trump. But it’s a bad deal and no he and his administration are not at fault but they are no “10s”. Maybe a 4 or 5 with a similar or lower grade to local government.


Here is a true story from one of my co workers. The black hawk helicopter dropped them off at a different hospital than planned. The hospital was already functioning because it was a private hospital with a working generator. Their team was to repair emergency rooms and give relief to staff.

The hospital was bewildered but took the help/relief until they figured out they couldn’t charge patients if our team was working. Oopsie daisy.

Thus they counted as boots on the ground but the help wasn’t appropriate or needed. The stats won’t show that.

What a mess.

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#113 Posted:
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I know.. or. I've heard anyway... But to say we haven't tried to help because they're not white is just wrong... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#114 Posted:
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We have treated them differently.

I couldn’t tell you why. You could argue the territory part, out of sight out of mind, or culture/color. Communication issues are in play too. They really aren’t like us. among many other reasons. prolly a little of each depending on the person.

And it’s also their own fault. Their government is inept and corrupt.
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#115 Posted:
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But let’s be really clear. None of this changes the fact that Rand Paul is a pvssy
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#116 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
We have treated them differently.

I couldn’t tell you why. You could argue the territory part, out of sight out of mind, or culture/color. Communication issues are in play too. They really aren’t like us. among many other reasons. prolly a little of each depending on the person.

And it’s also their own fault. Their government is inept and corrupt.

and they want to get rid of the national anthem
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#117 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
But let’s be really clear. None of this changes the fact that Rand Paul is a pvssy


11/03/17 Never forget
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#118 Posted:
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Some folks scream racism all the time. Others are at the other extreme and think it rarely exists. It’s alive and well every day. The subtle kind you can feign ignorance to is the most wicked.

If your ever bored check out the history and racial overtones to the whole werewolf vampire thing. (Germanic vs Slavic/Jew). I just learned about this. Some argue it’s veracity but it’s interesting none the less.

That doesn’t mean team Edward or team Jacob are racist. It’s interesting to me it’s rooted in racism though.

And yes blacks discriminate too. I figured I’d throw that out there because some feel if you can show that it makes everything else go away.
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#119 Posted:
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And Rand Paul is a pvssy
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#120 Posted:
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You wouldn't say that if he was Puerto Rican... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#121 Posted:
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If he was Puerto Rican he’d be up on manslaughter charges for shanking the dude to death with his broken rib.



DrafterX Offline
#122 Posted:
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True.. true... I used to hang with some Puerto Rican Dudes.. miss the foods...Mellow
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#123 Posted:
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I bought my wife a machete for Christmas once. A really cool one I picked up at a prepper show. She was pissed. Said I was stereotyping Puerto Rican’s. I said does that mean you already have one?
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#124 Posted:
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Laugh

These guys preferred butterfly knives... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#125 Posted:
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When I first met my wife she had one knife. A cheap wallyworld chefs knife with that weird always sharp edge. She used it for everything in the kitchen including opening cans and breaking up frozen food. It was also her single moms defense weapon.

We still have it. It’s sharp as the day she bought it. It’s weird.

I have a good kitchen knife ocd issue. Way too many, way too much $$When she used mine it’s for wrong purposes, she abuses them then doesn’t clean and dry them properly. When I bitch about it she says I should have bought one like hers.
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#126 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I bought my wife a machete for Christmas once. A really cool one I picked up at a prepper show. She was pissed. Said I was stereotyping Puerto Rican’s. I said does that mean you already have one?


Was it a switch blade?
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#127 Posted:
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I don’t think so but it must be close cause she said I reminded her of billy bob Thornton and sling blade or something like that
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#128 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I don’t think so but it must be close cause she said I reminded her of billy bob Thornton and sling blade or something like that


She is going to hit you in the head with a lawn mower blade. Brick wall
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#129 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I bought my wife a machete for Christmas once. A really cool one I picked up at a prepper show. She was pissed. Said I was stereotyping Puerto Rican’s. I said does that mean you already have one?


I bought my wife a good, quality cleaver a couple years ago.
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#130 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I bought my wife a good, quality cleaver a couple years ago.


My buddy bought his wife some good quality cleavage.

It was like a gift for all of us.


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#131 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
... "blacks do x"...
You realize in that statement you have stereotyped an entire racial group...


That'd be a fd up thing to do......


Good thing this guy isn't guilty of it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/opinion/sunday/interracial-friendship-donald-trump.html
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#132 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
We have treated them differently.

I couldn’t tell you why. You could argue the territory part, out of sight out of mind, or culture/color. Communication issues are in play too. They really aren’t like us. among many other reasons. prolly a little of each depending on the person.

And it’s also their own fault. Their government is inept and corrupt.


I suspect it is partly their own fault. I've always had a sense that they wanted to be treated differently. Except for maybe the part about making their representative a eunuch.

The whole recovery thing is tricky...I said it in the days immediately after the storm...the feds (meaning with our wallets) are going to end up having to create infrastructure that wasn't even there before the storm. ****'s bad down there in part because PR let it get bad before any storm. But, we're all inhumane if we don't make them 'whole' now....even though they weren't even a third before....and that was on borrowed dimes they were never going to be able to repay. I do feel sorta bad for the people...but not bad enough to want the fed to 'fix' not just some storm ravaged infrastructure, but 20+ years of mismanagement and entitlement
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#133 Posted:
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... the instant that author posts that on this forum I'll say something.

WTF? Your excuse for one of our own saying something which classifies an entire race as doing something is that some random person who none of us ever met doesn't trust all white people?

It used to be that you cleaned up your own damn house before you started b1tching about the neighbors...
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#134 Posted:
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True...I've never met him...but he's not exactly a random dude, either.....rather influential and respected....and if he says we can write off an entire race, why can't random cbid dudes?
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dstieger wrote:
True...I've never met him...but he's not exactly a random dude, either.....rather influential and respected....and if he says we can write off an entire race, why can't random cbid dudes?


If you respected him then you'd be convinced white people can't be trusted to be friends with his kids. Since you don't appear to believe that, then you don't appear to necessarily respect that opinion or think it carries much weight. That itself proves the rest of your statement wrong.

I can find a million people who's opinions I think are trash, I'm not going to run out and adopt a slight modification of that dumb opinion just because they have it...

If you want to formulate your behavior based off the lowest common denominator you can find of people you disagree with, then that's your choice. I'm sure as hell not going to do that, and I'm going to hold the people around me to the level I choose to operate at.
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#136 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
If you respected him then you'd be convinced white people can't be trusted to be friends with his kids. Since you don't appear to believe that, then you don't appear to necessarily respect that opinion or think it carries much weight. That itself proves the rest of your statement wrong.

I can find a million people who's opinions I think are trash, I'm not going to run out and adopt a slight modification of that dumb opinion just because they have it...

If you want to formulate your behavior based off the lowest common denominator you can find of people you disagree with, then that's your choice. I'm sure as hell not going to do that, and I'm going to hold the people around me to the level I choose to operate at.



Dave never said HE respected him.....just that he is " respected " prolly among his peers and those who AGREE with him.

So you make your friends join you on your homeless people beating runs?? d'oh!
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#137 Posted:
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He never invited me... Sad
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TMCTLT wrote:
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Dave never said HE respected him.....just that he is " respected " prolly among his peers and those who AGREE with him.

So you make your friends join you on your homeless people beating runs?? d'oh!


And you simply cannot manage to read a sentence and manage to understand the words it contains.
The term "respected" only has meaning when either 1 - you respect someone, or 2 - a group you are trying to act different than respects someone. Otherwise it's meaningless. If this guy is "respected" by a group who's behavior he doesn't approve of, why the hell would he use that as an excuse to act in any manner?

I don't use your poor actions as an excuse to do the same thing. But I'm sure someone in this world respects you. That would make you "respected"... but I sure as hell wouldn't try to use you as a moral barometer..
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DrafterX wrote:
He never invited me... Sad


The homeless have gotten savvy drafter... I need someone with some speed to help me catch them. You simply don't make the cut from a fitness aspect. Otherwise I'd totally bring you along.
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I could throw stuff.... Mellow
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I'm gonna boycott the NFL!


NOT!!!!!!!!!
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#142 Posted:
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^ Applause Proof that FGM is NOT racist!
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Just wondering...do any of you stand for the National Anthem when you watch a sporting event at home? Do you have an American flag properly displayed in a visible spot?
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delta1 wrote:
Just wondering...do any of you stand for the National Anthem when you watch a sporting event at home? Do you have an American flag properly displayed in a visible spot?




Yes and Yes!
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fog ThumpUp
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#146 Posted:
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I fly a flag in front of my house year round.. I may not stand for the anthem, unless I'm walking by, but I usually stop what I'm doing to watch the anthem... Mellow
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delta1 wrote:
Just wondering...do any of you stand for the National Anthem when you watch a sporting event at home? Do you have an American flag properly displayed in a visible spot?


Yes and Yes and the hat comes off as well.
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#148 Posted:
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I usually kneel unless people are around
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#149 Posted:
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... I thought it was the other way around...
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eeeeeuuuuuuuwwwwwww
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