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Poll Question : How will DACA die?
Choice Votes Statistics
It's not even gonna get a vote 12 70 %
Failure in the Senate 1 5 %
It'll pass the Senate and fail in the House 2 11 %
Agent Orange won't sign anything 1 5 %
Pass the Senate but die by an Agent Orange tweet 1 5 %
Total 17 100%

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Fool me once shame on me... fool me twice well I won't be fooled again...
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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 5:51 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
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The democrats are fools.

Whether one cares about DACA or not, you have to agree this is pure stupid by the dems.

Assuming they actually wanted to pass a DACA extension before it expires in March, with the knowledge that the orange f$$tard has already torpedoed a bill to extend it which was supported by both dems and reps... they were idiots to accept a "pinky swear" from McConnel. He didn't even promise anything more that "we'll look at it".

Who wants to take bets on how the DACA program will be torpedoed?

Think the Senate won't pass anything?
Think something will pass the Senate but not the House?
Think a joint bill will make it to El Presidente F#$$tard and he'll veto it?
Some combination of the above BS?
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 5:53 PM EST
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Posts: 98,551
You sure love the illegals... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 5:58 PM EST
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Posts: 23,866
DrafterX wrote:
You sure love the illegals... Mellow


You can't read can you.
tailgater Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 6:07 PM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
Although you don't state your love for illegals, you are showing your hand nonetheless.
Trump might veto something. So you're upset (outraged by the tone of your post) that the democrats acquiesced to the GOP empty promise.

I think you might be correct.
But your hatred bleeds right through.

So you should forgive brother Drafter for misinterpreting your angst.
Your vile partisan hatred can make it difficult to follow the point.
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 6:07 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,551
I'm illegitimate... Sad
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 6:17 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
tailgater wrote:
Although you don't state your love for illegals, you are showing your hand nonetheless.
Trump might veto something. So you're upset (outraged by the tone of your post) that the democrats acquiesced to the GOP empty promise.

I think you might be correct.
But your hatred bleeds right through.

So you should forgive brother Drafter for misinterpreting your angst.
Your vile partisan hatred can make it difficult to follow the point.



Don't be obtuse tail. It's due to your desperate need to stuff partisanship where it doesn't belong. Part of your trump derangement syndrome.

My premise is simple. IF (this is the beginning of an if-then clause, I know it's a challenging concept to wrap your head around but if you try, maybe you can do it) the dems really wanted X, THEN (this is the second part of an if-then clause. It requires the first to be true before moving on. It also is important to note that it ONLY requires the first to be true, not any additional fantasy ideas you may have in your tiny head) they were fools to give up the single point of leverage they have in congress between now and March.

The orange f--ktard is completely unreliable (one can say this without having any care over DACA. It's well documented that the orange f--ktard has torpedoed other DACA deals, after saying he would sign "anything". He has been inconsistent in everything he has said and done well before being president.) so they have no reason to have any expectation that he will cooperate in any instance they don't have leverage.

The Reps are a majority. They don't really need a whole lot from the dems between now and March, and even if they do, the dems have given up their bargaining chip here, so they'll have to give in on something else in the future to get the votes. McConnel only agreed to "discuss" it, not to vote yes.

Do I think the orange f--ktard is a raving idiot? Yes. Does that really have any impact on my post? Only in as much that it must be used to inform the idea that he is inconsistent in his dealings, so they're idiots to pin any hopes on him if they have no leverage.

But you don't get any of this... your trump derangement syndrome keeps you from seeing anything beyond what you believe to just be partisan statements
Kawak Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 6:37 PM EST
Joined: 11-26-2007
Posts: 4,025
victor809 wrote:
Don't be obtuse tail. It's due to your desperate need to stuff partisanship where it doesn't belong. Part of your trump derangement syndrome.

My premise is simple. IF (this is the beginning of an if-then clause, I know it's a challenging concept to wrap your head around but if you try, maybe you can do it) the dems really wanted X, THEN (this is the second part of an if-then clause. It requires the first to be true before moving on. It also is important to note that it ONLY requires the first to be true, not any additional fantasy ideas you may have in your tiny head) they were fools to give up the single point of leverage they have in congress between now and March.

The orange f--ktard is completely unreliable (one can say this without having any care over DACA. It's well documented that the orange f--ktard has torpedoed other DACA deals, after saying he would sign "anything". He has been inconsistent in everything he has said and done well before being president.) so they have no reason to have any expectation that he will cooperate in any instance they don't have leverage.

The Reps are a majority. They don't really need a whole lot from the dems between now and March, and even if they do, the dems have given up their bargaining chip here, so they'll have to give in on something else in the future to get the votes. McConnel only agreed to "discuss" it, not to vote yes.

Do I think the orange f--ktard is a raving idiot? Yes. Does that really have any impact on my post? Only in as much that it must be used to inform the idea that he is inconsistent in his dealings, so they're idiots to pin any hopes on him if they have no leverage.

But you don't get any of this... your trump derangement syndrome keeps you from seeing anything beyond what you believe to just be partisan statements


This is awesome...just awesome...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 6:55 PM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,431
victor809 wrote:
The democrats are fools.

Whether one cares about DACA or not, you have to agree this is pure stupid by the dems.

Assuming they actually wanted to pass a DACA extension before it expires in March


Chuckle just showed his hand. They're not doing anything.

What was the whole point of trying to add this to the budget debacle? Leverage?

Face it. The Dems don't want DACA either. It just wasn't worth the "fight". I've seen wet paper bags hold longer than this crop of Dems.
delta1 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 7:05 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,788
all talk...there won't be a bill...Dems need 11 GOP senate votes, and only got 4...and that's if all the Dems line up, which they didn't this time around...

doubt there'll be a Shutdown II...

Dems lack the will to play political hardball...interesting how quickly the GOP locked arms against Obammy, who hadn't done much before the GOP started their opposition...

Now we have a President who has had a full year of chaos, and the Dems are a buncha puzzies...who don't mind letting the Puzzie -Grabber -in Chief grab 'em...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 7:10 PM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,431
“Today's cave by Senate Democrats — led by weak-kneed, right-of-center Democrats — is why people don’t believe the Democratic Party stands for anything,” said Stephanie Taylor, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. “These weak Democrats hurt the party brand for everyone and make it harder to elect Democrats everywhere in 2018.”
MACS Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 7:11 PM EST
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,779
Dow up 32% since inauguration... economic growth topping 3% for 2 quarters and predicted to top 4% for the 4th... retail sales post biggest gains since 2014... unemployment at lowest level in 17 years (even though I don't like how they compute it, it was the same computation for Obama)... number of Americans receiving jobless benefits at a 45 year low (again, not a fan of the computation but it's the same)... American's on food stamps at the lowest level since 2010.

^^^ That right there is why people voted for him.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 7:17 PM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,431
MACS wrote:
Dow up 32% since inauguration... economic growth topping 3% for 2 quarters and predicted to top 4% for the 4th... retail sales post biggest gains since 2014... unemployment at lowest level in 17 years (even though I don't like how they compute it, it was the same computation for Obama)... number of Americans receiving jobless benefits at a 45 year low (again, not a fan of the computation but it's the same)... American's on food stamps at the lowest level since 2010.

^^^ That right there is why people voted for him.



Remember how almost every time the Obama Administration would announce their economic numbers a week later there was a vastly lower revision?

Yeah.

I didn't vote for the guy this go around...if the economy can keep chugging at this pace I most likely will the next go.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 7:22 PM EST
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
tailgater wrote:
Although you don't state your love for illegals, you are showing your hand nonetheless.




If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Don't even the worst of people know how to do this?

There's about a billion things to criticize Victor over... his alleged love for a group of disadvantaged people shouldn't be one of them...
Phil222 Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 7:25 PM EST
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
DrMaddVibe wrote:
“Today's cave by Senate Democrats — led by weak-kneed, right-of-center Democrats — is why people don’t believe the Democratic Party stands for anything,” said Stephanie Taylor, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. “These weak Democrats hurt the party brand for everyone and make it harder to elect Democrats everywhere in 2018.”


This deserves a re-post.
Kawak Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 7:27 PM EST
Joined: 11-26-2007
Posts: 4,025
Trump can't stop now. After ending DACA, Trump can push forward to investigate the following scandals:

✓ Awan Brothers
✓ Uranium One Clinton+Mueller+Podesta
✓ Seth Rich
✓ Hezbollah IranDeal @BarackObama
✓ Voter Fraud
✓ IRS Lois Lerner
✓ Dossier #ReleaseTheMemo FISA @FBI
✓ Abedin & Wienner emails
✓ Leaks @Comey
Phil222 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 7:29 PM EST
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
And I guess I'm the only one who thinks some form of DACA will pass in the Senate. It's gonna cost donors too much money to let them go...we shall see.
tailgater Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 9:49 PM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
opelmanta1900 wrote:
If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Don't even the worst of people know how to do this?

There's about a billion things to criticize Victor over... his alleged love for a group of disadvantaged people shouldn't be one of them...


Totally
missed
the
point.

Dude. C'mon.
I didn't disparage any group of people and I didn't accuse Victor of that either. I poked victor because his unfathomable hatred and TDS made his point unintelligible.

tailgater Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 9:52 PM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
victor809 wrote:
Don't be obtuse tail. It's due to your desperate need to stuff partisanship where it doesn't belong. Part of your trump derangement syndrome.

My premise is simple. IF (this is the beginning of an if-then clause, I know it's a challenging concept to wrap your head around but if you try, maybe you can do it) the dems really wanted X, THEN (this is the second part of an if-then clause. It requires the first to be true before moving on. It also is important to note that it ONLY requires the first to be true, not any additional fantasy ideas you may have in your tiny head) they were fools to give up the single point of leverage they have in congress between now and March.

The orange f--ktard is completely unreliable (one can say this without having any care over DACA. It's well documented that the orange f--ktard has torpedoed other DACA deals, after saying he would sign "anything". He has been inconsistent in everything he has said and done well before being president.) so they have no reason to have any expectation that he will cooperate in any instance they don't have leverage.

The Reps are a majority. They don't really need a whole lot from the dems between now and March, and even if they do, the dems have given up their bargaining chip here, so they'll have to give in on something else in the future to get the votes. McConnel only agreed to "discuss" it, not to vote yes.

Do I think the orange f--ktard is a raving idiot? Yes. Does that really have any impact on my post? Only in as much that it must be used to inform the idea that he is inconsistent in his dealings, so they're idiots to pin any hopes on him if they have no leverage.

But you don't get any of this... your trump derangement syndrome keeps you from seeing anything beyond what you believe to just be partisan statements


LOL!
Let me repeat (from my previous post): I think you may be correct.
I think the Dems were bamboozled.

But you go on and bloviate as if I didn't agree.
LOL!
You're a f*cking moron.
Your best post in years and it's all for naught.
LOL!
tailgater Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 9:53 PM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
tailgater wrote:
Although you don't state your love for illegals, you are showing your hand nonetheless.
Trump might veto something. So you're upset (outraged by the tone of your post) that the democrats acquiesced to the GOP empty promise.

I think you might be correct.
But your hatred bleeds right through.

So you should forgive brother Drafter for misinterpreting your angst.
Your vile partisan hatred can make it difficult to follow the point.



Highlighted for the moron's benefit.

LOL!
jetblasted Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 11:40 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
victor809 wrote:
Don't be obtuse tail. It's due to your desperate need to stuff partisanship where it doesn't belong. Part of your trump derangement syndrome.

My premise is simple. IF (this is the beginning of an if-then clause, I know it's a challenging concept to wrap your head around but if you try, maybe you can do it) the dems really wanted X, THEN (this is the second part of an if-then clause. It requires the first to be true before moving on. It also is important to note that it ONLY requires the first to be true, not any additional fantasy ideas you may have in your tiny head) they were fools to give up the single point of leverage they have in congress between now and March.

The orange f--ktard is completely unreliable (one can say this without having any care over DACA. It's well documented that the orange f--ktard has torpedoed other DACA deals, after saying he would sign "anything". He has been inconsistent in everything he has said and done well before being president.) so they have no reason to have any expectation that he will cooperate in any instance they don't have leverage.

The Reps are a majority. They don't really need a whole lot from the dems between now and March, and even if they do, the dems have given up their bargaining chip here, so they'll have to give in on something else in the future to get the votes. McConnel only agreed to "discuss" it, not to vote yes.

Do I think the orange f--ktard is a raving idiot? Yes. Does that really have any impact on my post? Only in as much that it must be used to inform the idea that he is inconsistent in his dealings, so they're idiots to pin any hopes on him if they have no leverage.

But you don't get any of this... your trump derangement syndrome keeps you from seeing anything beyond what you believe to just be partisan statements



Threads like these remind me why I left this board, after ten years, in the first place. Speak to the hand
MACS Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 11:43 PM EST
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,779
jetblasted wrote:
Threads like these remind me why I left this board, after ten years, in the first place. Speak to the hand


To be fair, you didn't leave... you just took a hiatus. Welcome back!
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Jan 22 2018, 11:57 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
I find them stress relieving, even when I don't participate
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 12:35 AM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
tailgater wrote:
LOL!
Let me repeat (from my previous post): I think you may be correct.
I think the Dems were bamboozled.

But you go on and bloviate as if I didn't agree.
LOL!
You're a f*cking moron.
Your best post in years and it's all for naught.
LOL!




And I didn't say you didn't disagree with me. I was stating that you see partisanship where there doesn't need to be any.
Everything I stated was an established fact, to then call my statement "partisan" is disingenuous, whether you also say you agree with it or not.

And yes, the orange f--ktard being an orange f--ktard is an established fact.Sarcasm

but your tds keeps you from realizing this.
victor809 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 12:37 AM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
victor809 wrote:
Don't be obtuse tail. It's due to your desperate need to stuff partisanship where it doesn't belong. Part of your trump derangement syndrome.

My premise is simple. IF (this is the beginning of an if-then clause, I know it's a challenging concept to wrap your head around but if you try, maybe you can do it) the dems really wanted X, THEN (this is the second part of an if-then clause. It requires the first to be true before moving on. It also is important to note that it ONLY requires the first to be true, not any additional fantasy ideas you may have in your tiny head) they were fools to give up the single point of leverage they have in congress between now and March.

The orange f--ktard is completely unreliable (one can say this without having any care over DACA. It's well documented that the orange f--ktard has torpedoed other DACA deals, after saying he would sign "anything". He has been inconsistent in everything he has said and done well before being president.) so they have no reason to have any expectation that he will cooperate in any instance they don't have leverage.

The Reps are a majority. They don't really need a whole lot from the dems between now and March, and even if they do, the dems have given up their bargaining chip here, so they'll have to give in on something else in the future to get the votes. McConnel only agreed to "discuss" it, not to vote yes.

Do I think the orange f--ktard is a raving idiot? Yes. Does that really have any impact on my post? Only in as much that it must be used to inform the idea that he is inconsistent in his dealings, so they're idiots to pin any hopes on him if they have no leverage.

But you don't get any of this... your trump derangement syndrome keeps you from seeing anything beyond what you believe to just be partisan statements


Highlighted for the moron's benefit.

LOL!
jetblasted Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 1:39 AM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
MACS wrote:
To be fair, you didn't leave... you just took a hiatus. Welcome back!

Thanks MACS ... I think it was over two years, though I’d have to research it. But the vile hatred on this board & name calling that drove me away is still here. It’s too much. I don’t have that kind of energy anymore. I prefer silent study vs. shouting these days.
drnos Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 9:47 AM EST
Joined: 10-29-2003
Posts: 2,787
The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the last war

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, bye and bye
And a parting on the left
Is now a parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
TMCTLT Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 9:59 AM EST
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
opelmanta1900 wrote:
If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Don't even the worst of people know how to do this?

There's about a billion things to criticize Victor over... his alleged love for a group of disadvantaged people shouldn't be one of them...




Say what???? And NO he was SPOT ON
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 10:13 AM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
Jet there is some ugliness and a couple folks that don’t appear to have much good in them but most folks in here are decent good folks even if they disagree with each other. But you know that.

It’s not difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff.
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 10:25 AM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
my shorts are chaffing
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 10:33 AM EST
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Posts: 95,637
Your d3ke must be rough
opelmanta1900 Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 10:52 AM EST
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
TMCTLT wrote:
Say what???? And NO he was SPOT ON

That little part you highlighted? A quote from Jesus...
tailgater Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 12:30 PM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
victor809 wrote:
Highlighted for the moron's benefit.

LOL!


A+ for originality.
tailgater Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 12:31 PM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
teedubbya wrote:
Your d3ke must be rough


Azz still bleeding?
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 12:35 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,551
Daaammnn....Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 1:39 PM EST
Joined: 09-29-2016
Posts: 7,683
teedubbya wrote:
Your d3ke must be rough

Ribbed for her pleasure??????Anxious
delta1 Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 1:58 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,788
I read that a bipartisan coalition led by Collins and Klobuchar, supported by Graham and Durbin, were instrumental in getting the Senate's approval to pass the CR and end the shutdown...

maybe a hopeful sign that real leadership is beginning among moderates in the Senate, especially the women...gotta get the d*cks outta the room...Congressional approval numbers can't go any lower...


so now, the third option seems most likely...bill passed by the Senate, fails in the House...


McConnell knows the House, and the opposition there by a strong segment of GOP, can't pass any immigration reform... so it won't hurt him, just give him cover, to let it pass in the Senate.
banderl Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 3:31 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
opelmanta1900 wrote:
That little part you highlighted? A quote from Jesus...




HaHaHa!!!!!
victor809 Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 5:28 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
opelmanta1900 wrote:
That little part you highlighted? A quote from Jesus...


Hang on... does that mean I'm jesus?

dammit... now TCBY's gonna try to get me deported.
delta1 Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 5:54 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,788
WWVD
victor809 Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 5:55 PM EST
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Posts: 23,866
delta1 wrote:
WWVD


Apparently I would "love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Don't even the worst of people know how to do this? "

but that sounds a lot more like victor811....
Speyside Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Jan 23 2018, 6:29 PM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
The earliest end of DACA security is 03/06/18. The government is funded through 02/08/18. The Democrats did not necessarily give up the fight. They did kick the can a little ways. Buisiness as usual in DC.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Jan 24 2018, 10:35 AM EST
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Posts: 55,431
Speyside wrote:
The earliest end of DACA security is 03/06/18. The government is funded through 02/08/18. The Democrats did not necessarily give up the fight. They did kick the can a little ways. Buisiness as usual in DC.


Please.

They threw a temper tantrum and the adults in the room let them and walked away while they did it. Tried offering "candy" and it did no good. It was only when their base raised holy Hell did they actually stop what they were doing. They got nothing. They shut down the budget talks for nothing. They let 3 days click off the calendar while everyone took notice at how bat**** crazy they are. Now, they're protesting in front of Chuckle's house. THAT'S the fight.

They're eating their own.

Delicious irony.

https://nypost.com/2017/01/31/thousands-of-protesters-gather-outside-chuck-schumers-apartment/

Frying pan
delta1 Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Jan 24 2018, 4:18 PM EST
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Posts: 28,788
yep, it's ridiculous and laughable that Dems can't do anything right...


look how easily the GOP repealed Obamacare...
Kawak Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Jan 24 2018, 6:37 PM EST
Joined: 11-26-2007
Posts: 4,025
delta1 wrote:
yep, it's ridiculous and laughable that Dems can't do anything right...


look how easily the GOP repealed Obamacare...


That POS repealed itself.
delta1 Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Jan 24 2018, 9:44 PM EST
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Posts: 28,788
not so fast...guess you didn't see all the drips falling from that last phrase...

despite all the "implosion" rhetoric and despite Trump pulling the funding for the subsidies...it's still alive ...it seems Americans have grown to like decent healthcare insurance, not the shams the health insurance industry used to sell before ACA...

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/21/government-reveals-final-obamacare-enrollment-numbers-for-2017.html


we'll see what happens this year during open enrollment, when the mandate is no longer in effect...didn't the GOP tack the cutting of the mandate onto the tax bill? Odd way to try to repeal something...
Kawak Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Jan 24 2018, 10:30 PM EST
Joined: 11-26-2007
Posts: 4,025
delta1 wrote:
not so fast...guess you didn't see all the drips falling from that last phrase...

despite all the "implosion" rhetoric and despite Trump pulling the funding for the subsidies...it's still alive ...it seems Americans have grown to like decent healthcare insurance, not the shams the health insurance industry used to sell before ACA...

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/21/government-reveals-final-obamacare-enrollment-numbers-for-2017.html


we'll see what happens this year during open enrollment, when the mandate is no longer in effect...didn't the GOP tack the cutting of the mandate onto the tax bill? Odd way to try to repeal something...


Nothing odd at all, Repubs didn't have the same balls or party rot the dems did when they passed it to repeal an unconstitutional law in full. This was the puuuzy way out but still effective. Open enrollement will be a disaster. You think they will do better now that it's not mandated? Wth
delta1 Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 11:53 AM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,788
so....you were just kidding when you said "That POS repealed itself."

But I do agree with you that the lack of a mandate (which didn't repeal itself) will be a critical determination during open enrollment this year, for Obamacare's survival. Do Americans really like being able to buy healthcare with basic and adequate coverage without regard to whether or not they have pre-existing conditions? Or were they just forced to do so by the mandate?

Those elements of Obamacare (minimum levels of coverage and no restrictions on pre-existing conditions) are still in effect...


btw: Obamacare survived Trump's cutting off federal subsidies...
frankj1 Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 1:41 PM EST
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Posts: 44,221
for the sake of accuracy, can we please call it by it's birth name:

ROMNEYCARE

#truthinadvertising
delta1 Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 1:54 PM EST
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and THAT is in no danger of being repealed...and is proof that the GOP can develop good policies and govern for the benefit of the masses...
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#50 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 1:58 PM EST
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Did you have to pay a fine if you didn't want the Romney-care..?? Huh
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