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frankj1 Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 2:02 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Did you have to pay a fine if you didn't want the Romney-care..?? Huh

don't think so, but somehow MA ended up with one of if not the highest percentage of covered citizens in the good ol'
U S of A
tailgater Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 2:31 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Did you have to pay a fine if you didn't want the Romney-care..?? Huh


It was complicated, but in the end you get taxed if you don't have medical insurance in MA and I believe that was part of Romneycare.
teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 2:42 PM EST
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And to be fair bammy care grew out of romney care but romney care wasnt romney's idea. it came out of a conservative think tank. too lazy to look up which one at the moment. the whole thing really grew out of a conservative republican idea.

Politics and marketing is a strange thing. Because all things obama was and is evil, the dems pushed this through in a ham handed (and wrong .. just like the tax law) way making things worse.

and here we are.
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 2:54 PM EST
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I heard Lincoln was a Democrat... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 3:08 PM EST
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it's complicated...Republicans used to think like Democrats, and vice versa (southern Democrats were pro-slavery in Lincoln's day)...then they changed their platforms ...a couple of times in history...latest switch was all the Southern Democrats switching to GOP after the passage of the Civil Rights Act...
teedubbya Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 3:09 PM EST
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Drafter understands that as well as the southern strategy
DrafterX Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 3:54 PM EST
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Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls.
It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world,
Except for Lola. Lo lo lo lo Lola.

Mellow
jetblasted Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 4:43 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard Lincoln was a Democrat... Mellow

Abraham Lincoln was a Liberal Homosexual.

fog
Kawak Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 4:46 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
And to be fair bammy care grew out of romney care but romney care wasnt romney's idea. it came out of a conservative think tank. [h]too lazy to look up which one at the moment. the whole thing really grew out of a conservative republican idea.

Politics and marketing is a strange thing. Because all things obama was and is evil, the dems pushed this through in a ham handed (and wrong .. just like the tax law) way making things worse.

and here we are.


Then your hair is a bird until you do look it up and name it. Most Repubs are not conservatives.
frankj1 Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 6:20 PM EST
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Romney liked it because one benefit was that it would save taxpayers money...there are more than taxes that cost the public money...because having coverage meant having primary care docs instead of using ER's for everything normal, etc. etc. etc.

It's not stupid for a GOP guy to accept something outside of pure dogma if it will end up saving millions for his constituents.

Try it sometime...country over party is a good thing.
frankj1 Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 6:23 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
It was complicated, but in the end you get taxed if you don't have medical insurance in MA and I believe that was part of Romneycare.


I swear after I hit "post" I thought that I should defer to you since I am not one of the owners at work.
I simply did not recall the tax/penalty component.
frankj1 Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 6:25 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
Abraham Lincoln was a Liberal Homosexual.

fog

ah, the resident Southern Gentleman!
Hiya D.
teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 7:29 PM EST
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I heard Robert e Lee’s life was spared only after he blew Lincoln to completion...... AFTER the play.
DrafterX Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 7:50 PM EST
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That would be gay... Mellow
banderl Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 8:01 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard Robert e Lee’s life was spared only after he blew Lincoln to completion...... AFTER the play.



Was that before of after he licked Sherman's bunghole?
teedubbya Offline
#66 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 8:38 PM EST
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Oddly... at the same time
banderl Offline
#67 Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2018, 8:45 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Oddly... at the same time



Freak!
jetblasted Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 12:00 AM EST
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Well, y’all can make jokes about it all you want, but I’m 10,000% serious. Lincoln’s list of gay lovers is as long as your arm. When you look at Lincoln as a gay liberal, everything he did starts to make sense.
DrafterX Offline
#69 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 12:13 AM EST
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Why do you hate America..?? Huh
jetblasted Offline
#70 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 12:20 AM EST
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Me? LoL 😂 MAGA, Baby !!

I’m 100% convinced that Lincoln was a Homosexual. Viewing him in such light makes sense on why he did what he did.
DrafterX Offline
#71 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 12:22 AM EST
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Freeing the slaves promoted gay-homoism..?? Huh
jetblasted Offline
#72 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 12:28 AM EST
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Nah. He was a gay homo from waaay back. Every his mother knew he “was never fond of girls”. Lincoln wrote the the first poem about gay marriage in 1828 (?)

I will tell you a Joke about Jewel and Mary
It is neither a Joke nor a Story
For Rubin and Charles has married two girls
But Billy has married a boy
The girlies he had tried on every Side
But none could he get to agree
All was in vain he went home again
And since that is married to Natty
So Billy and Natty agreed very well
And mama’s well pleased at the match
The egg it is laid but Natty’s afraid
The Shell is So Soft that it never will hatch
But Betsy she said you Cursed bald head
My Suitor you never Can be
Beside your low crotch proclaims you a botch
And that never Can serve for me

-Abraham Lincoln was a Homosexual
victor809 Offline
#73 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 1:15 AM EST
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jetblasted wrote:

I’m 100% convinced that Lincoln was a Homosexual. Viewing him in such light makes sense on why he did what he did.


So hang on... you have to be gay to want to free slaves?
Speyside Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 9:08 AM EST
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Most Republicans are not conservatives? Then what are they?
DrafterX Offline
#75 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 9:34 AM EST
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Axl wrote that man... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#76 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 9:40 AM EST
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Spey I actually agree most republicans are not conservative anymore. They used to be. A lot of folks took over the party claiming the long time republicans were rinos which is ironic since actually they are the rinos but needed a party to be effective.

I probably see it different than kawak but come to the same conclusion.

Not much of what the Republican Party is doing as of late is what I would consider conservative, especially fiscally.
DrafterX Offline
#77 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 9:48 AM EST
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It's hard to take away the free stuff... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#78 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 9:59 AM EST
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Governor Baker of Massachusetts is a Republican.

So he must be conservative. Right?



HA HA HA HA HA!

Just kidding.

That RINO is in bed with so many liberals people are gonna start calling him Abe...
frankj1 Offline
#79 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 10:05 AM EST
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and he came out of the insurance industry...I think
frankj1 Offline
#80 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 10:07 AM EST
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so taking ideas that work from the other party may cause disdain and insults, but being pragmatic may end up curing our ills.

Country over Party is the answer
Speyside Offline
#81 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 10:08 AM EST
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I wasn't joking. It was a serious question. Are they liberals? Just asking.
teedubbya Offline
#82 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 10:57 AM EST
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You can no longer be a Republican if you collaborate or get in bed with the enemy. If you are not pure you are the enemy.
teedubbya Offline
#83 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 11:00 AM EST
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Using today’s standards Reagan was a rino.
dstieger Offline
#84 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 11:06 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Most Republicans are not conservatives? Then what are they?


Good question. I was going to read this and let you know....but, I got bored with it:

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/static/home/data/platform.pdf

I did do a quick 'find', for "conservative" and the word is only used twice and only once does it sort of get to their 'position'


So, give it a read and let us know
delta1 Offline
#85 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 1:00 PM EST
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It does seem as if conservative ideology and GOP have become untethered. Conservative traditionalist stalwarts George Will and Bill Kristol now spend more time on left leaning cable opinion shows on MSNBC and CNN taking shots at Trump and the GOP Congress, than cheerleading on Fox...
tailgater Offline
#86 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 1:31 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
You can no longer be a Republican if you collaborate or get in bed with the enemy. If you are not pure you are the enemy.


I know you're just kidding, but I don't think that's what anyone is saying.

Here in Massachusetts we had Romney.
He's as progressive as it gets (for a Republican) and some of his actions may have lost staunch conservative votes at the national level. But he wasn't a poser like Gov Baker is today.

In my opinion, the Obama-over-Romney vote is the major reason we now have a President Trump.
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#87 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 2:04 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I know you're just kidding, but I don't think that's what anyone is saying.

Here in Massachusetts we had Romney.
He's as progressive as it gets (for a Republican) and some of his actions may have lost staunch conservative votes at the national level. But he wasn't a poser like Gov Baker is today.

In my opinion, the Obama-over-Romney vote is the major reason we now have a President Trump.


no surprise, I like Baker better. Even voted for him.

But a lot of that was because I knew that Romney viewed the position as a resume builder/stepping stone...and I was correct. In Romney's case, I could have lived with some of the trade offs of his politics, but I could not live with the man.

I will regret the wording of that last sentence, but you get my point.
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#88 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:09 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So hang on... you have to be gay to want to free slaves?

That was the Liberal side of him.
victor809 Offline
#89 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:13 PM EST
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... so... conservatives want to keep slavery?
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#90 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:19 PM EST
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Now you’re catching on. Just like it was the Liberal in him that preferred having sex with men.
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#91 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:21 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
Now you’re catching on. Just like it was the Liberal in him that preferred having sex with men.



Ok.... I think I get it.

Liberals all are anti-slavery gays...

And conservatives are all super straight guys who wish we never got rid of slavery.

That what you're trying to say?
tailgater Offline
#92 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:22 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
no surprise, I like Baker better. Even voted for him.

But a lot of that was because I knew that Romney viewed the position as a resume builder/stepping stone...and I was correct. In Romney's case, I could have lived with some of the trade offs of his politics, but I could not live with the man.

I will regret the wording of that last sentence, but you get my point.


Mitt Romney may have been the best candidate to run for President in my adult lifetime.
Not sure what your issue is with him? Is it the dog on a roof? Or you just hate the magic underwear?
And when the Tripod says "you get my point" it makes eyes water for miles around.
tailgater Offline
#93 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:23 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Ok.... I think I get it.

Liberals all are anti-slavery gays...

And conservatives are all super straight guys who wish we never got rid of slavery.

That what you're trying to say?


Did you say "thuper thtraight guyths"?
victor809 Offline
#94 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:26 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Did you say "thuper thtraight guyths"?




You'll have to ask jet how it's supposed to be pronounced.

I'm just trying to understand the point he's trying to make.

Remind me again tail, are you a liberal or a conservative?
tailgater Offline
#95 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:33 PM EST
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That depends if the slave is gay.
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#96 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:36 PM EST
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Im not saying “all”. I’m saying Lincoln was a Liberal Homosexual. Take the “radical republicans”. They were as far left as you could get back then. They were all based in Northern States. Abolition started in Massachusetts. Northen States have always (then & now) been Liberal. Southern States have always been conservative, then & now. Lincoln was a (bi) sexual. The famously crazy Mary Todd was a political prop. No one wanted her. Lincoln was just as famous for failing to attract, and hold on to a number of women.

But, sorry for the thread jack. I just couldn’t pass up “correcting the record”.
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#97 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:36 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
That depends if the slave is gay.



Not sure this is a fencepost moment tail. But you go on trying to be a poor man's tw.
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#98 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:41 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
Im not saying “all”. I’m saying Lincoln was a Liberal Homosexual. Take the “radical republicans”. They were as far left as you could get back then. They were all based in Northern States. Abolition started in Massachusetts. Northen States have always (then & now) been Liberal. Southern States have always been conservative, then & now. Lincoln was a (bi) sexual. The famously crazy Mary Todd was a political prop. No one wanted her. Lincoln was just as famous for failing to attract, and hold on to a number of women.

But, sorry for the thread jack. I just couldn’t pass up “correcting the record”.



Still don't get it Jet.

Your implication is that being anti-slavery is a leftist thing.... ie "Take the “radical republicans”. They were as far left as you could get back then."....

I mean, if you're pro-slavery that's your thing, but maybe you should reconsider whether you want to say it's platform of the conservatives.... ie "Southern States have always been conservative, then & now. ".... you're sort of implying that even now, it's only the liberal north that doesn't want to go back to slavery.
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#99 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:44 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Not sure this is a fencepost moment tail. But you go on trying to be a poor man's tw.


My bad.
I thought that since you asked a totally unrelated question in the midst of a semi-humorous exchange with Jet that your question was either in jest or simply rhetorical.

Now we know it was just stupid.

Carry on.
tailgater Offline
#100 Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2018, 4:45 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Still don't get it Jet.

Your implication is that being anti-slavery is a leftist thing.... ie "Take the “radical republicans”. They were as far left as you could get back then."....

I mean, if you're pro-slavery that's your thing, but maybe you should reconsider whether you want to say it's platform of the conservatives.... ie "Southern States have always been conservative, then & now. ".... you're sort of implying that even now, it's only the liberal north that doesn't want to go back to slavery.


To be fair, we really don't have any cotton fields up here.
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