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victor809 Offline
#101 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
My bad.
I thought that since you asked a totally unrelated question in the midst of a semi-humorous exchange with Jet that your question was either in jest or simply rhetorical.

Now we know it was just stupid.

Carry on.




What was totally unrelated about my question?
tailgater Offline
#102 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
What was totally unrelated about my question?



You're conversing with Jet.
You're trying to figure out what he's saying and you're doing it by (as usual) putting words in his mouth.
In the meantime, I take a feeble swipe at adding humor with a lisp joke.
Your response is to ask my political affiliation.

If you don't see how this is unrelated, then I don't want to see your family tree.



jetblasted Offline
#103 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I mean, if you're pro-slavery that's your thing ...

I see what you did there ... Not talking
victor809 Offline
#104 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You're conversing with Jet.
You're trying to figure out what he's saying and you're doing it by (as usual) putting words in his mouth.
In the meantime, I take a feeble swipe at adding humor with a lisp joke.
Your response is to ask my political affiliation.

If you don't see how this is unrelated, then I don't want to see your family tree.

My conversation with jet consisted only of questions. I asked him "do you mean this" and the answer was "yes". That's not putting words in anyones mouth, as they can answer "no"
More specifically my question was:
Quote:

.. so... conservatives want to keep slavery?

and his answer was
Quote:

Now you’re catching on. Just like it was the Liberal in him that preferred having sex with men.\


How am I putting words in anyones mouth?
And how is asking you whether you're liberal or conservative not related? If you're gonna jump in the conversation I needed to figure out whether you had gay tendencies or just wanted to reinstitute slavery.

More importantly, I was pointing out that his broad generalizations "being liberal means you want to have sex with men" or "being conservative means you want to keep slavery" is bad for everyone involved.

But you missed that. You were just upset no one laughed at your lisp joke.
victor809 Offline
#105 Posted:
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jetblasted wrote:
I see what you did there ... Not talking


I didn't do anything jet.

I don't know what your political leanings are these days... and that generally isn't that important.

But to boil the work of a very significant Republican president, responsible for ending what most of the world considers to be a pretty bad practice in US history, down to:
Quote:

Abraham Lincoln was a Liberal Homosexual.


Quote:

When you look at Lincoln as a gay liberal, everything he did starts to make sense.


Quote:

I’m 100% convinced that Lincoln was a Homosexual. Viewing him in such light makes sense on why he did what he did.


victor808 wrote:

So hang on... you have to be gay to want to free slaves?

jet wrote:

That was the Liberal side of him.


seems like you're equating "freeing slaves" with being a "liberal homosexual" agenda.

given that I recall you being straight, I'm guessing that you aren't saying "liberal homosexual" in a positive manner.... which then implies you are not a fan of the freeing of slaves.

I hope I'm wrong jet... but it's just a really weird set of posts you made.

frankj1 Offline
#106 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Mitt Romney may have been the best candidate to run for President in my adult lifetime.
Not sure what your issue is with him? Is it the dog on a roof? Or you just hate the magic underwear?
And when the Tripod says "you get my point" it makes eyes water for miles around.





6 months into his first term, Romney would have started testing the waters for Emperor of the Universe.
Arguably the least sincere politician of your adult lifetime...Great hair though.

The eye watering has been an issue that we hope to have corrected before long.

What nights you suggest for Pawtucket? I'll make one work.
teedubbya Offline
#107 Posted:
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I think it’s pissible that nunes will be the ugliest character in this play when history looks back with 20-20 vision.
jetblasted Offline
#108 Posted:
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Damn, Victor. How you twist words & imply things is beyond me. Having any kind of conversation with you is truly pointless. I was reluctant to even return to this board, because how you accuse others of being in some sort of agenda, that is opposite of yours, and then try to pull Crap like (I’m) pro slavery and anti-gay. Both are a bunch of malarkey and I laugh & shake my head at how things like this drive you. It’s borderline mental. I said neither of those things. Nor did I imply either of those things. Hence, any conversation with you is not fun or enjoyable. I honestly believe that Abraham Lincoln was a Homosexual, and being so influenced his policies, decisions & actions. I am not passing judgment on any of this. You are. By pulling made up accusations out of thin air. It truly baffles me how you make things into a grand fiasco over a persons opinions on a cigar forum. Abraham Lincoln is the most written about President of all time. I personally think most historians get it wrong, because he was a gay-homo. You immediately jump to slavery salivating on a chance to accuse someone of being racist. For that, you get (one) middle finger. How you obsesse over my sexuality borders on disturbing, but it’s really none of your business, but why you do so is also perplexing. But, you have to remember I spent 10+ years working in theater, and I’ve been around male flight attendants for 35 years. I suspect you really want to know about that “one time at band camp”, but then again, none of your business. I believe Lincoln was gay. I believe that had an influence on his decisions. I am *not* going to get into a twisted argument about this. But, if you look at the man as a gay-homo, then you might see him a little differently. That’s **all** I’m saying.

Why can’t you just talk without the accusations of, “oh you must be this way because...” high & mighty BS. Knowing this you’ll probably start flinging insults & name calling, which is really, really dumb. I personally do not care. (Like I used to). Again. One man’s opinion on a cigar Forum about a guy who’s been dead 150+ years.
Speyside Offline
#109 Posted:
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Jet, I am trying to follow this thread and do have 2 questions for you. Do you mean that historically liberals wanted to end slavery and conservatives did not? Also do you mean that you think anyone who is liberal is gay?
frankj1 Offline
#110 Posted:
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Log Cabin Republicans might object.
jetblasted Offline
#111 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Log Cabin Republicans might object.

Their numbers aren’t very high. There’s not a whole lot of them. Plus, they’re ostracized by the Left.
frankj1 Offline
#112 Posted:
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jetblasted wrote:
Their numbers aren’t very high. There’s not a whole lot of them. Plus, they’re ostracized by the Left.

question...
by definition, aren't they more likely ostracized by Republicans?
seems that the left would be more accepting of gays...whatever their politics
jetblasted Offline
#113 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Jet, do you mean that you think anyone who is liberal is gay?

Seriously ... How do y’all come up with this sort of stuff? Gonz
jetblasted Offline
#114 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
question...
by definition, aren't they more likely ostracized by Republicans?
seems that the left would be more accepting of gays...whatever their politics

Republicans, on a national level, tend to welcome gays with open arms. Sure there are pockets within America of 100 million people of a certain voting block that object. But look at how Milo Yiannopoulos was treated. The left vandalized & burned a path everywhere he went. The Left absolutely hates the LCR’s. But all of these people are a microcosm within the, Again, 100 million people political party, and to say that a small percentage defines the whole is disingenuous.

My opinion on any subject, doesn’t define me as a whole, either. Nor will I let it.
frankj1 Offline
#115 Posted:
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jetblasted wrote:
Republicans, on a national level, tend to welcome gays with open arms. Sure there are pockets within America of 100 million people of a certain voting block that object. But look at how Milo Yiannopoulos was treated. The left vandalized & burned a path everywhere he went. The Left absolutely hates the LCR’s. But all of these people are a microcosm within the, Again, 100 million people political party, and to say that a small percentage defines the whole is disingenuous.

My opinion on any subject, doesn’t define me as a whole, either. Nor will I let it.

I wasn't asking it as defining you... but I can't buy that nationally Republicans welcome gays...so much religious rejection of homosexuality exists in the controlling factors of the GOP, more than pockets for sure...one made it to VEEP.
Speyside Offline
#116 Posted:
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Post number 90 jet. That seems to be what you were saying. That's why I was asking.
jetblasted Offline
#117 Posted:
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Frank ... Much ado was made about the fact that Trump was the first president to officially welcome gays into the party. The famous photo of him holding the rainbow flag at a rally. Gay Billionaire Peter Thiel’s prime time address at the RNC. The Right’s embrace of Milo Yiannopoulos, who never misses a chance to graphically describe his love for his black boyfriend. There’s more acceptance on the right for gays now, than there ever was. And I don’t mean in incremental measures.

Speyside, this is all rather boring to me now. I think Abraham Lincoln was a Homosexual. But, I’d reeaallly like to talk about my newfound obsession with Georgia born Carson McCullers, who took the literary world by storm in 1940 at age 22 with her debut novel The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter. She was supposedly the lover of Burlesque Queen Gypsy Rose Lee, and she was best friend’s with Tennessee Williams.

I’m quite fascinated with Carson McCullers here lately. I find her friendship with Tennessee Williams much more interesting than Truman Capote & Harper Lee. Though I do like the fact that two lesbians & two gay writers, all Southerners, were so successful & remained such good friends throughout their lives. I’ll probably start a thread about them soon. But right now it’s much more funner to track down and research rare & antiquated poetry books. Thx
Speyside Offline
#118 Posted:
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If memory serves me right you had been interested in rare and antiquated historical books. Has your interest changed, or do you still enjoy them also? Or am I incorrect in what I remember?
DrafterX Offline
#119 Posted:
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So, Mexican Gay-homo Liberals are being deported..?? Huh
frankj1 Offline
#120 Posted:
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jetblasted wrote:
Frank ... Much ado was made about the fact that Trump was the first president to officially welcome gays into the party. The famous photo of him holding the rainbow flag at a rally. Gay Billionaire Peter Thiel’s prime time address at the RNC. The Right’s embrace of Milo Yiannopoulos, who never misses a chance to graphically describe his love for his black boyfriend. There’s more acceptance on the right for gays now, than there ever was. And I don’t mean in incremental measures.

Speyside, this is all rather boring to me now. I think Abraham Lincoln was a Homosexual. But, I’d reeaallly like to talk about my newfound obsession with Georgia born Carson McCullers, who took the literary world by storm in 1940 at age 22 with her debut novel The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter. She was supposedly the lover of Burlesque Queen Gypsy Rose Lee, and she was best friend’s with Tennessee Williams.

I’m quite fascinated with Carson McCullers here lately. I find her friendship with Tennessee Williams much more interesting than Truman Capote & Harper Lee. Though I do like the fact that two lesbians & two gay writers, all Southerners, were so successful & remained such good friends throughout their lives. I’ll probably start a thread about them soon. But right now it’s much more funner to track down and research rare & antiquated poetry books. Thx

probably so...thanks to 50 years of Liberal efforts...Welcome to all men are created equal, we've been waiting...HA!

So D, when I refer to you as the Southern Gentleman and names like that, I do not mean to insult. I think of you as the contributor who is dedicated to discovering knowledge of our country that I may never have known...even stuff I question (Like Lincoln) but so what?
I think Spey likes this chronicling as well.
Brewha Offline
#121 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
So, Mexican Gay-homo Liberals are being deported..?? Huh

No, no, no.....

Breaks down like this:
Trump loves gay-homos.
Trump hates Mexicans.
Trump has not yet figured out what liberals are.

And we only want to deport people from sh1thole countries. Like Detroit.
DrafterX Offline
#122 Posted:
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Trump hates Barry Sanders..?? Huh
RMAN4443 Offline
#123 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Trump hates Barry Sanders..?? Huh

Why would anyone hate Barry Sanders????? Great running back, I have his rookie cardAnxious
frankj1 Offline
#124 Posted:
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it's an OK State thang
Speyside Offline
#125 Posted:
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Yes, I do.
Brewha Offline
#126 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Trump hates Barry Sanders..?? Huh

You’re thinking of Barry Manalow....
Speyside Offline
#127 Posted:
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I heard it was Chuck Berry.
DrafterX Offline
#128 Posted:
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I never think about Barry Manilow... Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#129 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I never think about Barry Manilow... Mellow

well then, "you deserve a break today........"Beer
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#130 Posted:
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The jury is split regarding Abe's sexuality. But how anyone could equate sexual preference with slavery is a stretch for me.
Lincoln suffered from depression. 3 of his 4 kids died. And 2 people of the same sex sharing a double bed in the 19thc was not uncommon. Or suspicious.
He also is said to have fallen hard for Ann Rutledge and wrote a poem for her too.
There's 'evidence' for both sides of this supposition.
Don't care what he did behind closed doors either way. He was our greatest statesman.


Wasn't Lincoln nicknamed the Reluctant Emancipator?
Also, he thought his wife was fat.
So.... maybe you're right: he was a bisexual slave owner wanna be?
DrafterX Offline
#131 Posted:
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He did kill a bunch of gay-homo vampires tho... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#132 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
He did kill a bunch of gay-homo vampires tho... Mellow

But who hasn't.
DrafterX Offline
#133 Posted:
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Not me man... Not talking
jetblasted Offline
#134 Posted:
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Speyside ... Yes, I’m still collecting antiquated books. Mostly centered around Georgia. I started collecting after that idiot Dylan Roof shot-up that Church in Charleston. I knew right away that the war on Southern history was on. I started collecting Georgia diaries, then important books, Pulitzer Prize History Books, I really try to focus on books written prior to WWII.

When Confederate Statues started being attacked, I focused my collection on the history of Ladies Memorial Association & United Daughter’s of the Confederacy. The neat thing about this, is today it’s so easy for people to make knee-jerk reactions about subjects, compressing the entire subject into bullet points, when in fact you start digging into the subject, it opens up a panorama of history. Which the LMA & UDC did for me.

Lizzie Rutherford was a founding member of the Soldiers Aid Society, and LMA. It was her idea to commemorate the War Dead with Statues of Remembrance. At this time, she was reading the book, “The Initials” by Baroness von Tautphoeus, 1850. I bought a copy out of a book shop in Harper’s Ferry. (Neat!) It was that Book that inspired her to erect Commemorative Statues, and that idea spread like wildfire throughout the South.

She died in 1873 at age 40. When that Statue in Durham came down, I went and visited her grave in Columbus, GA. (We Southerners tend to look after our dead). But the interesting thing about her, is it was her idea (also) to have a Memorial Day Holiday. It was first started as Confederate Memorial Day, But the US Government co-opted the holiday. So the Memorial Day we observe today, was her idea.

Things like that. You “learn” from history. And these are things that I cherish. But, according to Victor & others, just the mere thought of wanting to look into such subjects means I’m pro-slavery (?). GTFO. Such thinking is an affront to great historians such as Shelby Foote, etc.

I’ve pretty much neared the end of my CSA collecting. There are a lot of reprints from the early 60s, printed prior to the Centennial of the War that I’d like to get, but now I’m focused on 19th century Georgia authors, and mainly books about Poetry.

Oh, one other story is of a man that fascinates me. Richard Malcolm Johnston. He was an educator in Georgia, building post-elementary schools. I believe back then they called high schools, “colleges”, but although I had known a little bit about him, I didn’t know he grew up right across the road from CSA VP Alexander H. Stephens. He was a law partner of AHS brother, Linton. He commanded the GA militia at the end of the war when chaos ensued, and he helped Robert Toombs escape to Cuba after the war. There is a ton more to that story that I find incredibly interesting. After the war he moved to Baltimore and opened a school there, and hired none other than the famous poet, Sidney Lanier, who encouraged him to write, and boy did he ever write. I’ve got three of his books from the 1880s. I’ve *always* been a History buff, and since I started collecting antiquated books, I seem to learn more & more, and to me that is so cool! But to suggest that my interest in Civil War (Era) History is pro-slavery is offensive & absurd. It downright ****** me off.

Right now my focus is on 19th Century Georgia Poets & Authors. I’m getting close to the end of my list with less than 20 books to go, but each one is $50 & Up, averaging $75, so it is a pricey hobby. Then I’ll move onto the Georgia Writer’s Hall of Fame list.

Huck ... I really do not want to get into the analogy of Lincoln’s politics, right now. Besides, this thread has veered off the tracks far enough.

One thing that amuses me about the whole, “Lincoln sharing a bed”, thing is ... as the story goes, Lincoln went to the furniture store to buy a bed, Joshua Speed told him the bed would be $17. Lincoln said he did not have $17. Joshua said, you can share my bed. And they did, for *Four Years*.

Lincoln shared a bed, with a bed salesman, for Four Years. That’s a little more than just a convenience matter. Think about it. Plus, connecting the dots with their “love letters” isn’t too hard of a stretch, either. Now, mind you, there is no exact 100% proof that Lincoln was gay, but it’s really not difficult to see the similarities. Everyone possesses “Gaydar”. Lincoln is a flashing neon sign when it comes to this.

Funny thing is, and I’ll wrap this up, one of my more interesting historical figures is Helen Dortch Longstreet, 2nd wife to CSA Lt. Gen. James Longstreet. I’m completely captivated by her. She’s one of the more truly interesting women of Georgia’s history. Her list of accomplishments is very long. James approached her when she was an archivist at the Georgia State Archives. His house in Gainesville had recently burned down, and he was in the middle of writing his book, “From Mannasas to Appomattox”, and he enlisted her help. One odd thing about them, is she was the college roommate of his eldest daughter.

Helen was a “Speed”, and I still have yet to fully connect the dots on that. Sometimes genealogy never fully connects the dots. I hate that I’m having difficulty finding out if she was a Dortch Speed, or a Speed Dortch, etc., but she was related to James Speed, Lincoln’s Attorney General, and Joshua Speed, Lincoln’s lover. (Funny how *that* worked out).

Last Summer I spent the afternoon at the Atlanta History Center to see if I could find one of Helen’s unpublished manuscripts, and I did! I asked the folks at the archives if I could see any of her papers, and I was dumbfounded & thrilled when they presented me with two boxes “full” of her papers! HOLY **** !! ...I could not get over holding a speech she gave to thousands of people at Gettysburg for the 75th anniversary of the battle, etc. That was so cool.

But I did find the manuscript, and I was allowed to take photos of each page, which I crudely published in a photo book for myself. The manuscript was entitled, “Wooed to the Warrior’s Tent”, (LoL). But in this unpublished manuscript she talks of Lincoln’s & Speed’s relationship in language not used today. Whereas today we would call them *******, but back then they would not. Now say in the 1880-1960s, or thereabouts, they’d say they were “Fancy Nancy’s”, and that sort of thing.

But reading the passages she wrote about them I upset the quiet research room when I let out a loud laugh. Even she knew Lincoln was a homo. LoL.

(Whew)
victor809 Offline
#135 Posted:
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jetblasted wrote:
Damn, Victor. How you twist words & imply things is beyond me. Having any kind of conversation with you is truly pointless. I was reluctant to even return to this board, because how you accuse others of being in some sort of agenda, that is opposite of yours, and then try to pull Crap like (I’m) pro slavery and anti-gay. Both are a bunch of malarkey and I laugh & shake my head at how things like this drive you. It’s borderline mental. I said neither of those things. Nor did I imply either of those things. Hence, any conversation with you is not fun or enjoyable. I honestly believe that Abraham Lincoln was a Homosexual, and being so influenced his policies, decisions & actions. I am not passing judgment on any of this. You are. By pulling made up accusations out of thin air. It truly baffles me how you make things into a grand fiasco over a persons opinions on a cigar forum. Abraham Lincoln is the most written about President of all time. I personally think most historians get it wrong, because he was a gay-homo. You immediately jump to slavery salivating on a chance to accuse someone of being racist. For that, you get (one) middle finger. How you obsesse over my sexuality borders on disturbing, but it’s really none of your business, but why you do so is also perplexing. But, you have to remember I spent 10+ years working in theater, and I’ve been around male flight attendants for 35 years. I suspect you really want to know about that “one time at band camp”, but then again, none of your business. I believe Lincoln was gay. I believe that had an influence on his decisions. I am *not* going to get into a twisted argument about this. But, if you look at the man as a gay-homo, then you might see him a little differently. That’s **all** I’m saying.

Why can’t you just talk without the accusations of, “oh you must be this way because...” high & mighty BS. Knowing this you’ll probably start flinging insults & name calling, which is really, really dumb. I personally do not care. (Like I used to). Again. One man’s opinion on a cigar Forum about a guy who’s been dead 150+ years.



Jet... I never needed to "twist your words".... I simply provided the exact quotes you said. I asked you whether you meant what you said because it confused me. I've met you in the past and your choice of words (such as "it was the Liberal in him that preferred having sex with men.").... didn't seem to match up with the person I met in the past. But people change. Maybe that's the person you are now.

I'm not pulling anything out of thin air. You popped into a conversation to point out your belief that Lincoln was gay. I don't personally care whether he was gay or straight.... just like I don't care whether you're gay or straight. I fail to see how pointing out that I am assuming you are straight is "obsessing with your sexuality". You know I don't care, right? More importantly.... reading your past statements about the civil war, and liberals, your choice to call him a liberal homosexual, and claim that explains why "did what he did" (free slaves? invade south? wear a top hat? wtf were you trying to get at?) certainly implies you weren't a fan of him "doing what he did"...

I've got no idea what you're saying... that's why I posed my posts as questions.

Also... would you really use the term "gay homo" around all those male flight attendants you're "friends" with?
frankj1 Offline
#136 Posted:
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all else aside, #134 is why I like Jet participating.
frankj1 Offline
#137 Posted:
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that, and he once posted years ago that either Israeli or Jewish women were stunning.
Never knew if they are lobster stunning quality or just gorgeous.
Speyside Offline
#138 Posted:
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I found # 134 quite interesting.
victor809 Offline
#139 Posted:
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jetblasted wrote:
But, according to Victor & others, just the mere thought of wanting to look into such subjects means I’m pro-slavery (?). GTFO. Such thinking is an affront to great historians such as Shelby Foote, etc.



You do realize that's not what anyone has said right?

f$$king snowflakes. question their language and they suddenly think you're trying to keep them from researching anything.
frankj1 Offline
#140 Posted:
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he researches with such zeal and love though.
gotta like that, no matter the resulting conclusions
victor809 Offline
#141 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
he researches with such zeal and love though.
gotta like that, no matter the resulting conclusions


I appreciate his zeal. And I honestly don't give a rats azz about his historical conclusions.

My issue is when he seems to appear to say one has to be a liberal homosexual to want to have ended slavery.

As someone who is neither homosexual, nor really very liberal, I kind of have a problem with that.
Speyside Offline
#142 Posted:
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Victor, don't think Jet realizes that. Nor do I fault him for that. Perhaps cultural bias is a logical reason. Growing up in the North I believe I have a cultural bias. I think it is certainly possible that a Northerner and a Southerner can read the same statement and interpret it very differently.
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#143 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I appreciate his zeal. And I honestly don't give a rats azz about his historical conclusions.

My issue is when he seems to appear to say one has to be a liberal homosexual to want to have ended slavery.

As someone who is neither homosexual, nor really very liberal, I kind of have a problem with that.

yeah, I read that...I like his smarter stuff better.
Brewha Offline
#144 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I never think about Barry Manilow... Mellow


Liar
jetblasted Offline
#145 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
that, and he once posted years ago that either Israeli or Jewish women were stunning.
Never knew if they are lobster stunning quality or just gorgeous.

Gorgeous Drool
frankj1 Offline
#146 Posted:
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jetblasted wrote:
Gorgeous Drool

true, true.
jetblasted Offline
#147 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I appreciate his zeal. And I honestly don't give a rats azz about his historical conclusions.
My issue is when he seems to appear to say one has to be a liberal homosexual to want to have ended slavery.
As someone who is neither homosexual, nor really very liberal, I kind of have a problem with that.


You don’t don’t care about my historical conclusions, but yet you have an “issue”with my historical conclusions. So much so, that you have a “problem” with that. Really (?)

Well now, I guess that’s just your “problem” then. My question is, why is it a “problem”? I never said that “one” had to be a Liberal Homosexual to “want” to end slavery. I said that I believe that Lincoln’s Homosexuality influanced his polices. And that goes from A-Z.

Lighten up, victor. Nothing I or you think will ever change history. To have a “problem” with someone’s opinion on this is a bit dramatic. You’re really going to get bent out of shape over this?

If I’m wrong, then so be it. I’m certainly not out to change anything. The funny thing is, if you feel completely opposite, I don’t have a “problem” with it. It’s your opinion! And having an “issue” over it is silky!

Over 15,000 books have been written about Abraham Lincoln. Only Jesus Christ has more written about him.
Speyside Offline
#148 Posted:
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Ok, jet now your postings make more sense to me. I read it differently. 15K, that's amazing.
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#149 Posted:
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I didn’t read everything so let’s see if I got this right.

If you want to eat lobster in a humain way make sure the cook is a Jewish chick.

The Georgetown Rugby team is anti slavery.

Jet has read 15000 books about Lincoln.

General Sherman is still considered every bit the manly man he was in his hay day. Vavavoom.

Oh yea. And frank walks backwards so his tail gives him balance.
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#150 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
victor809 wrote:
I appreciate his zeal. And I honestly don't give a rats azz about his historical conclusions.

My issue is when he seems to appear to say one has to be a liberal homosexual to want to have ended slavery.

As someone who is neither homosexual, nor really very liberal, I kind of have a problem with that.


Your "issue" is that you just want to be offended and appear to be more enlightened.
There is no other reason to claim you're neither homosexual nor (snicker) liberal.

For someone who shows complete lack of character (getting humor from dead kids, for instance), you sure do condemn a lot of people for things that hit your sore spot.

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