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ZRX1200 Offline
#101 Posted: Sun, Mar 4 2018, 4:11 PM EST
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Russia had no impact on our election.

Keep beating the straw men, they're everywhere.
frankj1 Offline
#102 Posted: Sun, Mar 4 2018, 6:27 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Russia had no impact on our election.

Keep beating the straw men, they're everywhere.

they likely did not tamper with actual votes or ballot counting, but opinions were influenced based on lies they spread, and people they bought helped spread.
banderl Offline
#103 Posted: Sun, Mar 4 2018, 6:41 PM EST
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80,000 voters in Wisc., Mich., and Penn. ended up giving him the electoral college victory.

Who knows how many of the people from those states were influenced by the Russian interference.
cacman Offline
#104 Posted: Sun, Mar 4 2018, 6:44 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
they likely did not tamper with actual votes or ballot counting, but opinions were influenced based on lies they spread, and people they bought helped spread.

You mean the Clintons!
delta1 Offline
#105 Posted: Sun, Mar 4 2018, 6:59 PM EST
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Whether or not the Russian interference impacted the election will be a mystery for the ages. I doubt that we can measure it, so we'll never know. That they went to great lengths to keep Hillary from winning and to help Trump is beyond dispute...and is one of the more benign explanations for his vehement denials of Russian influence on his victory...he doesn't like to share any credit for any of his accomplishments.
Speyside Offline
#106 Posted: Sun, Mar 4 2018, 9:01 PM EST
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Sorry Z, there simply is no logic behind your statement. The Russians interfered with our election. To what extent it affected the election is unknown. Perhaps you want to post links to Fox news or BreitBart as they are fair and unbiased. Obviously the FBI, CIA, and NSA are wrong. I mean what would the know?

Though honestly I think Comey stating additional emails were under investigation a few days before the election had the most effect on the election. Interesting a Republican did this even though it went against protocol as I understand it.
Abrignac Offline
#107 Posted: Sun, Mar 4 2018, 10:12 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Whether or not the Russian interference impacted the election will be a mystery for the ages. I doubt that we can measure it, so we'll never know. That they went to great lengths to keep Hillary from winning and to help Trump is beyond dispute...and is one of the more benign explanations for his vehement denials of Russian influence on his victory...he doesn't like to share any credit for any of his accomplishments.


Al stop whining. It's well know that the left also gets a lot of foreign money.


See you in May.
teedubbya Offline
#108 Posted: Sun, Mar 4 2018, 10:18 PM EST
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If either side received such resources illegally and knowingly I say lock them up....lock them up.

And I’m not interested in innuendo or drafte4s version of proven crimes. We have a court system. Put it together and fry anyone doing wrong. I don’t care which party.
tailgater Offline
#109 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 9:39 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Whether or not the Russian interference impacted the election will be a mystery for the ages. I doubt that we can measure it, so we'll never know. That they went to great lengths to keep Hillary from winning and to help Trump is beyond dispute...and is one of the more benign explanations for his vehement denials of Russian influence on his victory...he doesn't like to share any credit for any of his accomplishments.



Do try to keep the liberal narrative consistent.
Last month I was told that the Russians had ZERO impact on the election results.
Now it's "beyond Dispute".

It's enough to make a lesser man dizzy.

http://www.cigarbid.com/...583/This-is-irony-right

So now that it's beyond dispute, I rekindle my question:
Which would-be hillary voters instead punched a ticket for Trump because of the $100 and change Russia spent to hack facebook et al?


The Hilldog spent $600MM on the election.
Trump spent half that.
Add in few Rubles and I can see why people think it was rigged.
Speyside Offline
#110 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 9:55 AM EST
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So the room is spinning?
tailgater Offline
#111 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 11:17 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
The room is spinning!


Exactly.
ZRX1200 Offline
#112 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 12:15 PM EST
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No FUGGIN LOGIC? But YOU can't explain how many of if ANY vote's were changed because of $100k spent on facebook? Are you fugging high? I have no logic? You are speculating conjecture.......that is what they call NOT PROOF.

What was voter turn out? It wasn't as high as Obama because stupid people who vote based on skin color came out in droves.......you think the slightly less stupid Amerikans actually got swayed by facebook? Jesus H Christ on a popsicle.....
ZRX1200 Offline
#113 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 12:20 PM EST
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Frank there's NO EVIDENCE they tampered with actual votes, and this is the exact type of off hand comment the left likes to use to sidetrack a thoughtful argument.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UXpRswM-tzc

^ those comments were made having been briefed about "Russia".
delta1 Offline
#114 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 1:40 PM EST
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The Russians said in their own words, that they wanted to help Trump and hurt Hillary. Mueller lays out in his indictment against 13 Russians myriad details that US intelligence sources have discovered about Russian efforts and motivation to interfere in the 2016 elections. He clearly lays out what these efforts were, in the Russians own words (emails), designed to hurt Hillary and to help Trump. Federal indictments have greater than 93% conviction rate, so factual evidence listed in them must be accurate for the prosecutor to believe he can prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/16/robert-mueller-russians-charged-election



Did the Russians affect the election? As I clearly stated above: we'll never be able to measure it.



And they spent WAY more than a hundred grand...seems the right can't get past that months old talking point because it has been repeated so many times...in fact they spent $1.5 Million per month...

http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troll-farm-spent-millions-on-election-interference-2018-2

Cons' pointed denials show a reluctance to read the indictments, look at the charges and underlying documents, and draw objective conclusions. There have been 4 guilty pleas...

The whine the cons are complaining about is the sound of the train coming down the track...not sure it'll run over Trump, but it has already hit people close to and at the top of his campaign, and now...Jared...
ZRX1200 Offline
#115 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 1:55 PM EST
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Al......do you seriously believe those Russians will ever get brought here?

And please, re-read what I wrote because I think you got a little premature-Googlelation there. I specifically stated Facebook and you go talking about a budget which your link provided no breakdown. But I'm sure speyside thinks you did great though because you postep a link, he believes those more than me.

And you're eating that schit right off the spoon.....do you think Russia has ever NOT tried this? I Will say again, they once even had a goddamn US SENATOR HELPING THEM but that didn't matter because back then Russia was true believer in communism and hadn't yet fallen to greed.

You are really confusing where Cons are seeing a long view with this and not cherry picking for gotcha moments. Trump has done some good and bad, but the derangement from both sides is maddening.
Speyside Offline
#116 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 2:30 PM EST
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Blah, Blah, Blah.
teedubbya Offline
#117 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 3:17 PM EST
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If the russians provided anything of value to either campaign it's likely illegal. Especially if the campaigns knew it or encouraged it. Efficacy isn't really at issue. The investigation should ferret that out. If the investigation finds other crimes along the way regardless of party or campaign they should prosecute to the highest level.

while some paint it as a trump investigation, its an interference investigation being run by primarily republican professionals who check their politics at the door while doing their work.

We have no idea what the investigation will find or who they will find it on. I have already said I hope Trump is clean.

I really don't respect those trying to stain the investigation or characterize what it has found or not found. We simply don't know, and those trying to smear it now can pretend all they want they are being objective. They are not. Those claiming there is already guilt fall in to the same bucket.

Lets see what happens without trying to kill it prematurely or make it something it's not.

It would not surprise me one bit if the final report is critical of both parties.

In the end some in here seem comfortable with russian efforts. Regardless of efficacy put the partisanship away and take the side of America. Forget it happened in the past and to whom and focus on preventing it in the future. You can hate our government all you want but step back and take a look when you start becoming more comfortable or justify the actions of other governments.
Speyside Offline
#118 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 3:26 PM EST
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TW, I agree with what you are saying. I want the truth to come out. Even though I abhor Trump, I hope nothing involves him for the good of the country. If anything illegal did occur I think there should be legal ramifications for the perpetrators.
tailgater Offline
#119 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 4:28 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
The Russians said in their own words, that they wanted to help Trump and hurt Hillary. Mueller lays out in his indictment against 13 Russians myriad details that US intelligence sources have discovered about Russian efforts and motivation to interfere in the 2016 elections. He clearly lays out what these efforts were, in the Russians own words (emails), designed to hurt Hillary and to help Trump. Federal indictments have greater than 93% conviction rate, so factual evidence listed in them must be accurate for the prosecutor to believe he can prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/16/robert-mueller-russians-charged-election



Did the Russians affect the election? As I clearly stated above: we'll never be able to measure it.



And they spent WAY more than a hundred grand...seems the right can't get past that months old talking point because it has been repeated so many times...in fact they spent $1.5 Million per month...

http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troll-farm-spent-millions-on-election-interference-2018-2

Cons' pointed denials show a reluctance to read the indictments, look at the charges and underlying documents, and draw objective conclusions. There have been 4 guilty pleas...

The whine the cons are complaining about is the sound of the train coming down the track...not sure it'll run over Trump, but it has already hit people close to and at the top of his campaign, and now...Jared...


LOL!
I'm just laughing at your blatant contradictions.
tailgater Offline
#120 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 4:30 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
TW, I agree with what you are saying. I want the truth to come out. Even though I abhor Trump, I hope nothing involves him for the good of the country. If anything illegal did occur I think there should be legal ramifications for the perpetrators.


I think this sums up what most of us think. From both sides.




















Kinda boring. Dontcha think?

Let's get back to the mud slinging.
HuckFinn Offline
#121 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 4:35 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:


Let's get back to the mud slinging.



Define mud.
teedubbya Offline
#122 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 4:40 PM EST
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its what is made when agent orange pees on dirty hookahs.
banderl Offline
#123 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 4:55 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
its what is made when agent orange pees on dirty hookahs.



Wait a minute.

I thought that they peed on him, while he was screaming "Ivanka".
HuckFinn Offline
#124 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 4:55 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
its what is made when agent orange pees on dirty hookahs.

Oh? Thought that produced blackmail...
teedubbya Offline
#125 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 5:05 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Wait a minute.

I thought that they peed on him, while he was screaming "Ivanka".



fake news fake news

now hes screaming there is no hope there is no hope
victor809 Offline
#126 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 5:08 PM EST
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...i see what you did there...
frankj1 Offline
#127 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 5:15 PM EST
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was it Jade or dsteiger who said Trump screams "Donald" when climaxing?
Very funny line.
delta1 Offline
#128 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 5:19 PM EST
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Here's the Mueller indictment against the Russians. I agree it's unlikely that we'll be able to extradite them, but it does present a barrier that will make it unlikely that those criminals will ever dirty our nation's soil again. But they'll find some work-around to gouge the US (cyber attacks?). The indictments also lay the groundwork for future prosecutions, hinted at in this document, crimes committed by US citizens...

https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

Page seven summarizes the amount being spent per month, as of September 2016, at $1.25 Million.


Foreign influence in our elections is illegal. Cons used to be against criminal behavior. Russian influence is on-going, which our intelligence experts say may be used to influence the 2018 elections. Lack of action by the President or calls to action by GOP Congressional leaders seemingly condone foreign interference in our democratic process. Rogers and McMaster are saying we need to stop them...Trump tells them to shut up...maybe because he believes that he was helped, and may be helped again? ...blatant contradictions?...of course...
delta1 Offline
#129 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 5:22 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
fake news fake news

now hes screaming there is no hope there is no hope



No hope for Trump supporters here...they've all gone "ski"ing
HuckFinn Offline
#130 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 5:33 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
was it Jade or dsteiger who said Trump screams "Donald" when climaxing?
Very funny line.

Brewha
frankj1 Offline
#131 Posted: Mon, Mar 5 2018, 7:03 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Brewha

yes!
tailgater Offline
#132 Posted: Tue, Mar 6 2018, 9:58 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
was it Jade or dsteiger who said Trump screams "Donald" when climaxing?
Very funny line.


That was a good one.
Of course even though bandy didn't understand it, he couldn't leave it alone and thought he'd be witty.
Turns out, he was half right...
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