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Drafter, if I do give up my card do you want it? The back side of it has a 2 for 1 burger deal on it.

I agree with a zero tolerance policy. What I have said is separating young children from their parents is pure evil. As a compassionate human being I want this ended and the children to be reunited with their parents.

I understand. The law is the law. Period.

If someone claims, but can't immediately prove at the border that their family is in danger, too bad. Next. 


Break the law? Trying to sneak in? No excuses. 


No jobs where you're from? No opportinities? Too bad. Next.

First offense trying to cross illegally? Oh, second? Felony.  

Rather face jail time than return home? Not a problem. Next.


Your son was murdered by a gang in El Salvador, and you're trying to save his brother from the same fate?.......tough. Next.


During the Irish Potato Famine a million or so Irish folks died and many survivors tried to enter the US, legally or otherwise. Would you have similarly  turned away the thousands that snuck in? Because that's what they did. Broke the law. The final estimate of Irish illegals is between 10,000-15,000.

http://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-undocumented-irish-usa-3559047-Aug2017/

 Should they have been rounded up and deported? Returned to Ireland.

To do what? Starve? Next? 


Or how about in '39 when Roosevelt, who knew about the death camps, turned  away a German ocean liner with 1000 passengers, almost all Jewish, all trying to escape Hitler, forced the ship, (and 2 other ships years later) to return to Europe where more than a quarter of them died in the death camps. Politics rued the day then. (Still does) But then it was because the Nazi propaganda machine had Anti-Semitism at a fevers pitch internationally. The good old reliable politics of zenophobia. Never goes outta fashion. Ask the Italians about life (and death by mob hangings) in the American south. The fear then is pretty much the same fear and hate-driven mentality that we're witnessing today. (No small thanks to Trump)  
But I di..gr...ess


Do we get to know only with the help of hindsight that desperate people do desperate things? That they'll try to escape whatever hell they're stuck in, forge passports, sneak in illegally, lie, bribe, do whatever they can to get a fresh start in a safe place. Wouldn't you? If you felt you hadn't any other option?? Life and death stuff. Because is trying to feed your family really a high crime?  How about stealing a loaf of bread? I know, do it 'legally', right? And when that fails?

Next? 


I know you're in law enforcement.  Your survival depends on laws and clarity. But as it regards this mind-boggling wave of refugeeism we're witnessing on a global scale (!), I  personally believe we have to dig deeper and show even more compassion. Not less. You know, there but for the grace of God go I?



I'm not advocating open borders. Maybe just slightly more open minds and hearts. 


Do I believe that everyone with a sad story is telling the truth. Of course not.

But as you research it you see that the process of tracking down the truth of their stories is usually impossible. So err on the side of caution. 


Look, I realize that these are loosely connected historical examples I've cited with different specifics, but what connects them is that these are all disenfranchised, desperate masses of people needing help from people that are more fortunate than they are.


And sometimes, I think anyway, that there are laws even higher than man's.

That there is right and wrong. 

And as it concerns refugees and immigrants legal or undocumented, being compassionate is right.

If they're fleeing for their lives from Guatemala why wouldn't Mexico be safe enough..?? Maybe we should just put them on a train to Canada..

Can you remember where you read that? I'm reading the opposite.

My grandfather and most of his friends from the 'old country' never mastered English. Hardly tried..

But he worked his butt off. His kids of course we're bilingual. And his grandkids only spoke English. I think that's pretty much the normal pattern.

I actually agree about assimilation. Though probably not to the extent you do.
The way i see it, what makes us uniquely American is our diversity and multiculturalism.
So a nod to one's personal heritage is a good thing.

The US is a microcosm of the planet, and a kind of experiment.
.. if WE can make it work it'd be proof positive to the rest of the world that coexistence is possible.


There's a lot of misinformation out there about the net effect of undocumented immigrants.
What you're angry about, gaming the system, looking for handouts and draining our resources isn't the overall reality. Research it. Here's a link I posted before:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

So Nancy says the EO is no good , they want amnesty.

And there you go.

I'm not sure that's the goal, I think it's a sympathy play with the next election in mind. They've probably decided that the polling data suggests it's better to focus on this than the rest of Trump's agenda.

How do we know this isn't a Russian plot to overrun the US with all these Illegals....pepper the masses of immigrants with deep cover agents so during the next election cycle they can vote in and control our elections....maybe this was the Russian collusion Mueller's been looking for...weaken the borders, control the elections, overtax all the social service agencies and Trump can be Capo di Tutti Capo of the world......Bwah ha ha!!
This was Trumps plan all along....to rule the world, and to do it on the backs of the children...BRILLIANT!!!!!

https://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html



Improper entry to US is a crime...read for yourself



Improper Entry Is a Crime
To be clear, the most common crime associated with illegal immigration is likely improper entry. Under federal criminal law, it is misdemeanor for an alien (i.e., a non-citizen) to:
Enter or attempt to enter the United States at any time or place other than designated by immigration officers;
Elude examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempt to enter or obtain entry to the United States by willfully concealing, falsifying, or misrepresenting material facts.
The punishment under this federal law is no more than six months of incarceration and up to $250 in civil penalties for each illegal entry. These acts of improper entry -- including the mythic "border jumping" -- are criminal acts associated with illegally immigrating to the United States.
Like all other criminal charges in the United States, improper entry must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict.

Let's just make illegal entry a felony...

Can people just walk into China..??

I'm kinda puzzled why we're the greatest country in the world but we can't shoot people crossing da border...

I've always liked the idea of automated turrets.

Why do these people come to the US?

in the 60's, 70's and 80's, the US embarked on "nation building" in Central America, especially El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua and Panama, as part of a foreign policy effort called "containment". It was supposed to keep the Communist Soviet Union from expanding their spheres of influence into the Americas, as they did in Cuba. Our efforts did not result in acceptable and malleable pro-US governments in those countries. The opposite...civil war broke out in those countries where a ruthless military backed strong-man didn't rise to power. Crime and corruption became a way of life there. The masses in those countries fled the bloodshed of civil war or political oppression. They came here, as refugees seeking asylum, and we took most of them in. Many have become American citizens over the years.

The pattern is repeating itself...except that many who are coming are following the path of relatives or family members ... those who came before...

I'll bite.

No rhetoric.

Just tell me what I said that was incorrect.

Tell me with specificity the policy that Trump created to rip families apart.

You are wrong when you generalize the entire left. You do it consistently. I am always open minded to other points of view. Though my tendency is to lean left, on some issues I certainly lean right. Such as gun control, and illegal aliens. I would be just as wrong if I stated generalizations about the entire right. I find you to be open minded and consider other points of view. On most issues you lean right, but on some issues to me you lean left.

So I was not talking about Trump. I can see how it looked like I was.

Though the more I hear from the far left loons I begin to wonder if there is a better way to describe myself. I really do find it difficult to think I am in a group that someone such as Huck is.

Myth
DHS has a policy to separate families at the border.

Fact
DHS does not have a blanket policy of separating families at the border. However, DHS does have a responsibility to protect all minors in our custody. This means DHS will separate adults and minors under certain circumstances. These circumstances include: 1) when DHS is unable to determine the familial relationship, 2) when DHS determines that a child may be at risk with the parent or legal guardian, or 3) when the parent or legal guardian is referred for criminal prosecution.

Familial Relationship – If there is reason to question the claimed familial relationship between an adult and child, it is not appropriate to detain adults and children together.

Human Trafficking and Smuggling – If there is reason to suspect the purported parent or legal guardian of human trafficking or smuggling, DHS detains the adult in an appropriate, secure detection facility, separate from the minor. DHS continues to see instances and intelligence reports indicating minors are trafficked by unrelated adults, posing as a “family” in an effort to avoid detention.

Safety Risk – If there is reason to suspect the purported parent or legal guardian poses a safety risk to the child (e.g. suspected child abuse), it is not appropriate to maintain the adult and child together.
Criminal Prosecution – If an adult is referred for criminal prosecution, the adult will be transferred to U.S. Marshals Service custody and any children will be classified as an unaccompanied alien child and transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services custody.

In recent months, DHS has seen a staggering increase in the number of illegal aliens using children to pose as family units to gain entry into the United States. From October 2017 to February 2018, there was a 315 percent increase in the number of cases of adults with minors fraudulently posing as “family units” to gain entry.

LOL!

Apparently they agree with me, it's better to not keep children in adult detention facilities.

Sounds like they actually are keeping the kids with their parents as long as they can prove it.

Black flag i think... pirates use black flags...

By definition, when I generalize I will be mostly correct. But also wrong. Otherwise a generalization doesn't fit.
But I do it "consistently" simply to garner a response. This is a forum where the person I'm communicating with may not even be present for hours or days so it's sometimes helpful to poke the bear of other like-minded souls.

My earlier post resulted in several "you're wrong tailgater" responses.
I see now that I chose the wrong individual to call to task since you were protesting a different aspect of my post.

And don't pick on Huck. But for him we could all be considered liberal.

And Gun Turrets and Predator drones.


Can't have just one. Landmines make it guess work for the fools willing to cross. Gun turrets at intervals and major choke points. Drones operated in a mesh formation where it's feeding back intel 24/7...a missile strike would be minutes (if not seconds!) away.

On all of our borders. ALL. Especially our Southern border because of recent articles from Mexican politicians encouraging using a Saul Alinsky tactic.

Men, Women and children. Break the law, face the consequences. As Americans we need to start protecting this nation and it's laws. Soon, and by the looks of the landscape today...it will be sooner than most believe...this nation will need her revolution.

I am a conservative that feels the GOP is a bunch of spendthrifts.

Libertarians are the only conservatives left, but they ain't got nobody to prop up like the liberals did during their weekend with Bernie.

Note that when I say conservative, I speak from a fiscal viewpoint.
Socially, I'm clearly a sadist.

actually, you are not a criminal if caught robbing a bank.

you may yet be found to be a criminal after due process to determine your guilt...the one that protects all the rest of us from being picked up and jailed for years without that due process.

It's part of what has always made America great despite the country being disparaged as needing to undue that right of yours to be great again...weird and wrong.