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delta1 Offline
#51 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Now we’re talking! Take the infected people off the playing field and we end this thing. Bayonets and headshots.



it does seem like the battle against the corona virus has become a spectator death sport...with two distinctly different strategies to respond, and both saying the other side wants to kill people
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#52 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Actually the more I think about that I take it back. Tail is right.

He should take his calculations in to the local health department, the Governor and or the CDC or NIH. He should explain why his calculations are more accurate and theirs are wrong. They are calculating things wrong and he should help them interpret the real meaning of the data and how to proceed. Make sure to share the theory of those under 60. That will be important to them.

My only request is you please record it.


I didn't calculate anything.
Don't be like vic.

If you didn't comprehend what I inferred, I'll try to be more clear.

This virus is impacting our older population.
Young people catch the virus and get sick. But they survive.
Almost half the deaths are now being attributed to nursing homes.

Simple math should tell us that our efforts should be to protect those at risk. The best way to do that isn't to lock down those who are not at risk. That's short sighted at best.

The longer our officials waste their time on how many people can fit into a hair salon or bowling alley, the less time they have to work out an effective plan to protect our elderly.

The more money we spend figuring out ways to keep kids out of school and day camps and sports fields, the less money we have to treat or cure those over 60.

Despite what the House Democrats believe, we don't have unlimited funds. Everything we do and pay for is at a cost.
We can let the young and healthy keep our economy thriving while silently building up their own immunity for when this thing morphs again. Meanwhile we can protect and treat and test and cure the old folks.
And I'm a lot closer to being the one that needs a cure, but I refuse to mortgage my children's future to achieve it. It's surprising how many are willing to do that.

The only reason so many Americans are OK with the lock down is because they're getting paid to sit at home. You take that away and they'll scratch your eyes out in the supermarket if you look at the last package of hamburg before they do.

But you can hide behind the "they know better than you" attitude. "I want you to record your plea because I think you're wrong". Bravo.
I haven't manipulated the numbers.
I haven't succumbed to the fear mongering. the daily death toll without context.

It's funny.
All I've done is add context to the numbers.
Demographics to show who it's impacting. By age.
And I get accused of being misleading, stupid and now of "calculating" things to make a point.

Speaks volumes for how blinded you have become.



teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted:
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I was agreeing with you and I think you should present this to the folks I suggested. That’s all. You have it figured out better than they do. They need your help.

Don’t focus on the calculations then. Just help them understand the data and put it in context.

But please record it.
teedubbya Offline
#54 Posted:
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I’m not asking for you to record it for amusement or anything like that. I just think it would help train all the other folks working on this who have become blinded. There is only one of you but through technology we can leverage it as much as possible.
victor809 Offline
#55 Posted:
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Really selfish of tail to keep restrict his insight to just himself and a discount cigar forum.

Almost like he doesn't care about america.
HockeyDad Offline
#56 Posted:
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Tailgater’s math sucks! Can I get in on this statistical circle jerk?

I mean I guess we could look at a real example:

Death by age group

0-50 = zero
51-60 = 3
61-70 = 6
71-80 = 4
81-90 = 9
90+ = 10

I wonder if with enough study maybe we could detect a pattern in these numbers?
teedubbya Offline
#57 Posted:
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That’s enough for me to say we have to shut everything down.
victor809 Offline
#58 Posted:
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You and Tail should go protest at a capitol building then, rather than inform us... the powerless discount cigar forum readers.

You've got actual data that I'm sure the experts have neglected. Maybe if you made a nice multimedia chart and held it over your head during one of those protests?

I know it gets a little crowded at those protests, but I'm sure you can push your way through the crowd so you can get to the front. I have faith in your dedication to helping this country out.
HockeyDad Offline
#59 Posted:
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I take it you couldn’t find a pattern in those numbers.
victor809 Offline
#60 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I take it you couldn’t find a pattern in those numbers.


Why would you say that?

There's a clear pattern. And it's definitely something you should tell your governor about.

Put it on a big sign.... make sure you write using huge letters....

I'm sure if you got in there, right in the middle of that crowd of protesters, and held your sign up reallllllllyyyy high.... that the governor will see the numbers too. He'll obviously recognize the pattern that only you currently know about, and he'll rush outside. He'll probably have the police push the crowd away... don't worry, he's just trying to get to you.... stand your ground and yell a lot so they can find you.

Once they get the rest of that rabble out of the way, he'll come up.... offer to shake your hand... and say "my dear hockeydad... thank you for saving us by bringing these numbers".... and he'll immediately call a meeting of Fauci and Trump and let you explain to them what they've clearly been missing all these weeks.

This will all probably work better if you make sure tail is with you to help hold the sign...
teedubbya Offline
#61 Posted:
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I found a pattern. I need to get to Rome and look for the statue of Jesus that points to the west. There I will find the next clue. A raging clue.
HockeyDad Offline
#62 Posted:
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You’re prolly right. There’s no pattern there.
teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted:
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I found the pattern and am moving towards the next clue it’s amazing no one else saw it.
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted:
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This new insight that has largely been missed is mind blowing. Since there is no video the only choice if for all of us to share this thread with anyone working on this issue. Not just the scientists and medical folks but politicians etc.

Wow just wow.
victor809 Offline
#65 Posted:
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TW is clearly lying. He has never in his life had a clue which could be accurately described as "raging".
victor809 Offline
#66 Posted:
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But the numbers will probably open a secret crypt in Tehran, which will unleash an airborne vaccine and save us all.

Le Hockeydad... you're our only hope.
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted:
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I fess up. I’ve never raged but my TDS has caused me to unwittingly forget everything I’ve learned in my profession and education and as a result I’ve miss read the data sets and drawn the wrong conclusions.

I’m saddened I let the negative side of TDS skew my view and am thankful for those embracing the bright light of TDS are here to teach us the error of our ways. I’m saddened that the folks analyzing this pandemic are anti trump and don’t understand it’s a big nothing burger that they are using for personal gain.

This is I life changing moment. And I have my first raging clue ever. To be fair my mom was an anti trumper and my dad is pro trump. You can forgive the light and dark fighting within me.
teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted:
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Just heard from the folks in Tehran. The crypt lead was wrong and released the krakkan. Fortunately kraakkan tears cure the virus. It’s a small supply so we have to keep making him sad.
teedubbya Offline
#69 Posted:
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The kraakkan’s mamma is so fat drafter has to take two meals to eat her. That should get him bawling.
HockeyDad Offline
#70 Posted:
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If you had not been blinded you would have followed the data and known that 98% of crypt openings result in reanimated mummies and plagues being released.
victor809 Offline
#71 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
If you had not been blinded you would have followed the data and known that 98% of crypt openings result in reanimated mummies and plagues being released.


So you're saying there's a less than 2% chance of a giant krakken being released which has tears that cure the virus?
HockeyDad Offline
#72 Posted:
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I think it is within the margin of error unless the numerator is adjusted for seasonal hiring during the holiday period.
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted:
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We simply moved too fast without consulting the right folks.

As a related note the tears didn’t work and the kraakkan ate 40 people all under age 50. Now the mortality rate has changed enough that we have to look elsewhere.
teedubbya Offline
#74 Posted:
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The kraakkan has been put down. Also considered a covid related death. All kraakkans must now stay at home.
victor809 Offline
#75 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
The kraakkan has been put down. Also considered a vivid related death.


To be fair, we never would have released the krakken if we hadn't been following Le Hockeydad's numbers to the cure to covid. So it's a valid categorization.

Poor krakken... I heard he had a family he was supporting selling Krakken tears online.
teedubbya Offline
#76 Posted:
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Oh yea...forgot... I’m sorry about what I said about the kraakkans mamma. I thought it was best for society but it was insensitive.
victor809 Offline
#77 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Oh yea...forgot... I’m sorry about what I said about the kraakkans mamma. I thought it was best for society but it was insensitive.


It's ok. The Krakken was centuries old. We should expect a number of old people to die in these times.

I'm just trying to figure out why the shining light side of TDS from Le Hockeydad and Tail hasn't saved us all yet.

Are they not telling the governor about their amazing new discovery? Are they holding back for some reason?
teedubbya Offline
#78 Posted:
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Don’t underestimate the dark tds in the medical and science fields. It’s a huge obstacle to overcome. Even trump good hoodwinked by them and shouldn’t be accountable for his decisions. Personal responsibility stops at them.
victor809 Offline
#79 Posted:
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Oh.... are you telling me that Le Hockeydad and Tail are battling the forces of dark TDS as we speak?

They're so heroic. I hope they don't get hurt. I hear you can get a nasty papercut from those protest signs.
victor809 Offline
#80 Posted:
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They better bring their AR-15s, and wooden machine guns and rocket launchers to make sure they're well armed to fight the dark forces of TDS.
delta1 Offline
#81 Posted:
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yeah...don't pay any attention to those "doctors" or the CDC...just listen to the Wizard of Alls...

Trump keeps telling us that he's done a great job getting us past the virus and that whatever problems happened along the way were not his fault...

now that it's over, he says we should all get back to work
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#82 Posted:
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I don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up but I saw on the angle last night a chiropractor that says ground up kraakkans bones lessen the symptoms for people older than 45 but younger than 65. We have dropped all other research and are making ground bones available in all battleground states.
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#83 Posted:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSbT7JVNEU4&pbjreload=10

more comedy, from a professional comedian
victor809 Offline
#84 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up but I saw on the angle last night a chiropractor that says ground up kraakkans bones lessen the symptoms for people older than 45 but younger than 65. We have dropped all other research and are making ground bones available in all battleground states.



Who would have thought... it's a miracle. Previously we only used ground cephalopod bones for Le Hockeydad's erection pills. This is a miracle. I'm going to go out and buy all the cephalopod bones right away before the price goes up.

I'm sure they're safe. Le Hockeydad hasn't died yet and he takes them all the time.

Does Puddin' know about this? He needs to make sure he tells everyone too!
teedubbya Offline
#85 Posted:
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I’m pretty sure the right folks got the memo. I saw HD wearing a release the kraakkan shirt and a krakkan America great again hat.
victor809 Offline
#86 Posted:
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Good...good.... meanwhile, to make sure there's no shortage of this important therapeutic, we should start opening ALL the secret tehran tombs possible. It'll take a lot, since Le Hockeydad says there's a less than 2% chance of it being a Kraken in there.... but we have to do it for the good of our economy.

What's the bone yield on a giant cephalopod anyway? I'm sure it must be really high. I bet Puddin' knows.
teedubbya Offline
#87 Posted:
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My covid-45 shirt just arrived!
victor809 Offline
#88 Posted:
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https://pitchfork.com/news/guns-n-roses-selling-live-n-let-die-with-covid-45-t-shirt-for-charity/
This?
teedubbya Offline
#89 Posted:
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Mine doesn’t have the live and let die stuff. It has a four oh bottle on it.
victor809 Offline
#90 Posted:
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Should get one with a Kraken on it, so everyone knows the new important discovered therapeutic.


Maybe just the skeleton ....
HockeyDad Offline
#91 Posted:
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Regardless of kraken, what will be interesting is as states/counties are opening up we should start climbing again towards that 6.8 million dead number.

We should be only two weeks out from the surge of death in the earliest opening areas. I’m holding some cash in reserve to buy up cheap real estate in those areas as they all die off.

A lot of politicians and newfound celebrity infectious disease experts from Trump and Fauci on down have a lot invested in their actions having been 100% correct. I wonder if any will ever admit they got it wrong. If they did of course.

Florida was supposed to die off because they remained open for spring break and yet they didn’t die. I wonder if we’ll kill them this time.

Here’s the thing....what if these areas open up and everyone e doesn’t die. Well we are about to find out.


Speyside Offline
#92 Posted:
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Hey, with numbers like that what could go wrong. Though I am doubly blind so what do I know?
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#93 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Florida was supposed to die off because they remained open for spring break and yet they didn’t die. I wonder if we’ll kill them this time.

Here’s the thing....what if these areas open up and everyone e doesn’t die. Well we are about to find out.




Kind of funny all those spring breakers that got busted here in Florida for doing what happens every spring...didn't die enmasse. One would think that it would be some epic Black Plague body stacking in the streets on every campus everywhere, but nope.

Yes, the state is opening. Still not "normal" but it's Florida. Georgia is opening too. It's the Blue states that have the choke hold on people. DON'T GO OUTSIDE! ALWAYS WEAR A MASK!!! KEEP 6 FEET AWAY FROM EVERYONE! STAY AT HOME!!! ESSENTIAL PERSONNEL ONLY!!! That's some real Nazi BS, but the people are willing to go head first into a depression because Dr. Fauci said.

Can't wait for all that "data" that we never ever saw but heard about. Wonder how that's going to change? It's always the doomsayers and liars that go around boasting about x amount of anything and then when it's never close to the vaulted numbers they claim it was because people listened to them....LOLOLOLZ!!!
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#94 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Regardless of kraken, what will be interesting is as states/counties are opening up we should start climbing again towards that 6.8 million dead number.

We should be only two weeks out from the surge of death in the earliest opening areas. I’m holding some cash in reserve to buy up cheap real estate in those areas as they all die off.

A lot of politicians and newfound celebrity infectious disease experts from Trump and Fauci on down have a lot invested in their actions having been 100% correct. I wonder if any will ever admit they got it wrong. If they did of course.

Florida was supposed to die off because they remained open for spring break and yet they didn’t die. I wonder if we’ll kill them this time.

Here’s the thing....what if these areas open up and everyone e doesn’t die. Well we are about to find out.




I'm pretty sure no experts stated an "everyone will die" number.

Most of the respected organizations dialed in their predictions as more evidence was available, and as people's habits changed.

That, and the important kraken bone therapeutic you're going to go tell the governors about....
HockeyDad Offline
#95 Posted:
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We were supposed to have 2% die. That’s 6.8 million. Bodies stacked like cordwood. That what got the whole shelter in place flatten the curve thing going.

We’re still headed for the darkest winter in modern history.

I’m just saying...what if it all proves to be wrong as all these areas open. Look if 2% of Florida dies in the next two months I’ll apologize for being wrong. What if 2% doesn’t die in Florida? Will there be apologies coming for what was done to the US economy?

This is not done theoretical argument anymore. Bring on the dead, or not. Game on.
victor809 Offline
#96 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
We were supposed to have 2% die. That’s 6.8 million. Bodies stacked like cordwood. That what got the whole shelter in place flatten the curve thing going.

We’re still headed for the darkest winter in modern history.

I’m just saying...what if it all proves to be wrong as all these areas open. Look if 2% of Florida dies in the next two months I’ll apologize for being wrong. What if 2% doesn’t die in Florida? Will there be apologies coming for what was done to the US economy?

This is not done theoretical argument anymore. Bring on the dead, or not. Game on.


That's an intentional misinterpretation of data. A 2% mortality rate is not the same as 2% of the population dying.

Look.... I'm all for killing off 2% of Florida. Especially if I can personally select them. But that simply was never stated by anyone of any repute.
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#97 Posted:
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The earliest estimation of very high death rate that I can find is of 2.2MM, predicted by a group out of London College and repeated by Trump himself as a boast of having saved 2.2 MM lives.

Well.... we're closing in on 5% of that goal with all these draconian, freedom destroying measures in place. Think about that for a minute.... with almost no one going anywhere, having any contact with anyone outside of their family... we still were able to achieve almost 5% of the most outrageous of the estimates, and we haven't finished yet.

Let's see what we can achieve by really opening this up!
teedubbya Offline
#98 Posted:
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hate to say it but it has 100% death rate over 60 years old. 50-60 is the 2% rate. We will just have a younger planet.

As for the kraakkan bones.... we just found out they actually increase the death rate. We also found out Faucci had invested in a Kraakkan farm in Kentucky.

And soilent green is people
teedubbya Offline
#99 Posted:
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Weve only lost about 27 people. the rest is over counted to bring in money.
victor809 Offline
#100 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Weve only lost about 27 people. the rest is over counted to bring in money.


Oh good. Le Hockeydad and Tail will be happy to hear their efforts were successful!
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