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frankj1 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Jesus Christ that’s a lot to learn! Oh wait...

had he been able to learn it, he wouldn't have flunked out of Hebrew School, the klutz.
delta1 Offline
#202 Posted:
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OhMyGod


Shame on you
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#203 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
had he been able to learn it, he wouldn't have flunked out of Hebrew School, the klutz.



Don't think he flunked out.


https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Rabbi
frankj1 Offline
#204 Posted:
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it was a joke!
get a thick tallis.







yup, another joke.
teedubbya Offline
#205 Posted:
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This joke thing must stop.
frankj1 Offline
#206 Posted:
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wrong forum or wrong religion?
Speyside Offline
#207 Posted:
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Why? Where? When? How?
tonygraz Offline
#208 Posted:
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You sound like a teacher asking for an essay.
Speyside Offline
#209 Posted:
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Yeah, that didn't work well when Frank snuck in there.
rfenst Offline
#210 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
it was a joke! Get a thick tallis.


I think this funny play on words won't register with non-Jews.
frankj1 Offline
#211 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
I think this funny play on words won't register with non-Jews.

bing is their friend
Speyside Offline
#212 Posted:
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Ummmm? The joke does not make sense to this goy. It would be thick Ptil Tekhelet, wouldn't it? Most goyim prolly want to know.
frankj1 Offline
#213 Posted:
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too Orthodox for this guy.
rfenst Offline
#214 Posted:
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Frank, you now have a duty to explain your joke.
rfenst Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Robert, another good email, but the immunity is simply unknown at this point in time. His assumption is a reasonable one, but only an assumption. I have a heavy antibody load, but am still assuming I can be infected. When the answer is unknown error on the side of caution. Your brother is serving his community, and you about as well as he possibly can. In these old eyes I see an unsung hero. But I'm just a goyem, what do I know?

See #192
Speyside Offline
#216 Posted:
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Thanks Robert.
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#217 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Frank, you now have a duty to explain your joke.

I don't have time to unwrap the tefillin to type an explanation.

Spey can handle this. He already divorced one Jew broad.
rfenst Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I don't have time to unwrap the tefillin to type an explanation.

Spey can handle this. He already divorced one Jew broad.

So he is, what we call a jew "by injection". LOL!
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#219 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
So he is, what we call a jew "by injection". LOL!


She used a strapon on him?
Brewha Offline
#220 Posted:
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Oy-vey!
Speyside Offline
#221 Posted:
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Oy-spey!
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#222 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
So he is, what we call a jew "by injection". LOL!

YES!
delta1 Offline
#223 Posted:
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is that like an intrusion?
rfenst Offline
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6/2/20 SITUATION UPDATE; STOPPING THE SPREAD;
PROTECTING OURSELVES AND OTHERS;
TOOLS TO PROTECT US; GET TESTED!


Please note that the COVID-19 information contained in this email
is up-to-date as of today and is subject to change in the future.


The doctors from the Lakewood Kehilla saw five new cases of COVID-19 illness in the past week. One of the cases was a patient in our office, a toddler who had been playing closely with other young neighborhood children for the past two weeks.


So far all of the new cases seen in Lakewood seem to be isolated cases, not clusters of cases. This is good news and we hope it will stay that way. However, it does show us that the virus still exists in Lakewood, and this is a reason for our concern. May our Tefillos and Hishtadlus have an impact in not allowing it to take off.

We are presently in the middle of a critical 14-day period, following Shavuos, in which an increasing number of cases would be expected, Al Pi Teva, based on the direct social interaction occurring as people lessen their appreciation for the risks of the COVID-19 virus and loosen adherence to social distancing and mask protocols. As always, our primary concern is the potential for a new outbreak, and doing the proper Hishtadulus to minimize its effects should one, Chas V’Sholom, occur.


STOPPING THE SPREAD OF COVID-19 ILLNESS


We are happy to report that CHEMED is leading an effort by the doctors of Lakewood and Hatzolah to have a central reporting system for every new COVID-19 case in the Lakewood Kehilla. We will do our best to keep you updated with the most accurate and
up-to-date numbers via this email.

A big part of stopping the spread of COVID-19 illness in its tracks is
by rapidly making the diagnosis of new cases.


If you or a family member begin experiencing COVID-19 symptoms
contact your doctor and get tested without delay.
Our ability to identify and quarantine new cases
before they spread to more non-immune people
is critically important to prevent future outbreaks.


COVID-19 illness symptoms include:
• Fever, cough, weakness, body aches or malaise
• Loss of taste or smell
• Chest pain or shortness of breath





PROTECTING OURSELVES AGAINST COVID-19


As always, we recommend that
people who do not have or may not have immunity
protect themselves when outside of their home
with the tools of Masks, Social Distancing and Hand Washing.


If you are not immune and you have felt hesitant to wear a mask or social distance in shul or in public because no one else is doing it, please know that wearing a mask and social distancing is an extremely effective way to protect yourself against infection by the COVID-19 virus, regardless of what anyone else is doing or saying at the time.

In this situation it is normal to feel like you are the only one who is trying to follow the rules — We know that you are not the only one because our practice is filled with families who have told us they feel this way!


"But, it's so hard!
If social distancing is getting harder for me to keep then
what is the point of wearing a mask?"


Consider this:

Social Distancing keeps us out of dangerous situations
by keeping us away from potential spreaders of the virus.

Masks protect us in dangerous situations
even when we come in direct contact with spreaders of the virus.


Similar concepts apply when we drive a car:


We drive carefully to keep ourselves out of a dangerous situation.

We wear seatbelts to protect us in a dangerous situation.


So, if a driver is driving down the highway faster than the speed limit,
is there no point for him to wear his seatbelt?!


Should the COVID-19 illness return to our Kehilla, the virus will infect people from the portion of non-immune people who are not protecting themselves. Of course using both tools is safest, but even if you aren’t perfect in your use of one or the other of these tools, you still actively help protect against potential infection every time you use either one.




PROTECTING OTHERS AGAINST COVID-19


We also continue to suggest that people with presumed immunity
(ie., a history of COVID-19 illness AND a positive antibody test)
make it easier for people in the Kehilla who are not immune
by using the tools of Social Distancing and Masks
whenever possible.

"But so many people anyway are not social distancing,
What's the point anymore? Social distancing and masks —
People are done with it!"


Yes, unfortunately, this does seem to be the matzav right now, but nothing is over yet.
The fact is that every additional person who uses the tools of Social Distancing and Masks helps strengthen the Kehilla by closing off an otherwise open avenue for the potential spread of the virus. Whether you do it all the time or only some of the time, every time you Social Distance or Wear a Mask you are helping the Kehilla.



TOOLS TO PROTECT US


Consider these points and act on them:


• When you are four feet away from someone, it is safer than when you are two feet away.

• When you are six feet away from someone, it is safer than when you are four feet away.

• When you are wearing a mask, it is as safe as possible.


• If you can do this only for a quarter of your day, it is safer than if you do not do it at all.

• If you do this for half of your day, it is even safer.

• If you can do it all the time, it is the safest thing for everybody.

• But, every time you do it, you make life safer for those around you.



Here are simple steps we can take to reduce the potential spread of
the COVID-19 illness by protecting ourselves and others.


IF YOU ARE IN SHUL:

• The more you can Social Distance, the safer it is for you or other mispallelim.

• Wearing a Mask will keep you or other mispallelim safe.


IF YOU ARE AT WORK:

• The more you can Social Distance, the safer it is for you or your co-workers.

• Wearing a Mask will keep you or your co-workers safe.


IF YOU ARE LEARNING WITH A CHAVRUSA:

• The more you can Social Distance, the safer it is for you or your chavrusa.

• Wearing a Mask will keep you or chavrusa safe.


If your children are playing outdoors:

• Even some Social Distancing helps make it safe while outdoors, and
the more they do it the safer it is.

• Avoiding face-to-face interactions outdoors helps keep everyone safe.

• Wearing a Mask during up-close interactions keeps everyone safer.


If your children are learning outdoors (ie. in tents):

• Even some Social Distancing helps make it safe while outdoors, and
the more they do it the safer it is.

• Avoiding face-to-face interactions outdoors helps keep everyone safe.

• Strong fans not only cool everyone off, but blow away the virus!

• Wearing a Mask during up-close interactions keeps everyone safer.


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A REMINDER IF YOU HAD COVID-19 ILLNESS — GET TESTED!


We would like to remind anyone who had COVID-19 illness who has not obtained antibody testing to please do so. Presumed immunity requires not only having had the illness in the past but also demonstrating that you have COVID-19 antibodies! Unfortunately, many people are testing negative even though they had symptoms in the past.


CHEMED is reporting that 50% of the antibody tests they are performing
ARE COMING OUT NEGATIVE!


IF YOU HAD COVID-19 ILLNESS IN THE PAST, PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME THAT YOU HAVE IMMUNITY IF YOU HAVE NOT OBTAINED A POSITIVE ANTIBODY TEST.
DON'T ASSUME YOU ARE IMMUNE; GET AN ANTIBODY TEST!


You can get a test at any urgent care center, CHEMED, or at Labcorp or Quest.
Depending on the location and your insurance coverage, you can get tested for free,
or for a minimal co-pay.
teedubbya Offline
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This near you rnfest?

I’m really worried the next spike got intensified.
rfenst Offline
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(CNN) — Doctors are fighting not only to save lives from Covid-19, but also to protect patients' brains.

Although Covid-19 is best known for damaging the lungs, it also increases the risk of life-threatening brain injuries — from mental confusion to hallucinations, seizures, coma, stroke and paralysis. The virus may invade the brain, and it can starve the brain of oxygen by damaging the lungs. To fight the infection, the immune system sometimes overreacts, battering the brain and other organs it normally protects.

Yet the pandemic has severely limited the ability of doctors and nurses to prevent and treat neurological complications. The severity of the disease and the heightened risk of infection have forced medical teams to abandon many of the practices that help them protect patients from delirium, a common side effect of mechanical ventilators and intensive care.

And while Covid-19 increases the risk of strokes, the pandemic has made it harder to diagnose them.

When doctors suspect a stroke, they usually order a brain MRI — a sophisticated type of scan. But many patients hospitalized with Covid-19 are too sick or unstable to be wheeled across the hospital to a scanner, said Dr. Kevin Sheth, a professor of neurology and neurosurgery at the Yale School of Medicine.

Many doctors also hesitate to request MRIs for fear that patients will contaminate the scanner and infect other patients and staff members.

"Our hands are much more tied right now than before the pandemic," said Dr. Sherry Chou, an associate professor of critical care medicine, neurology and neurosurgery at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine.

In many cases, doctors can't even examine patients' reflexes and coordination because patients are so heavily sedated.

"We may not know if they've had a stroke," Sheth said.

A study from Wuhan, China — where the first Covid-19 cases were detected — found 36% of patients had neurological symptoms, including headaches, changes in consciousness, strokes and lack of muscle coordination.





What we know -- and still don't know -- about the coronavirus
Related Article: What we know -- and still don't know -- about the coronavirus



A smaller, French study observed such symptoms in 84% of patients, many of which persisted after people left the hospital.

Some hospitals are trying to get around these problems by using new technology to monitor and image the brain.

New York's Northwell Health is using a mobile MRI machine for Covid patients, said Dr. Richard Temes, the health system's director of neurocritical care. The scanner uses a low-field magnet, so it can be wheeled into hospital rooms and take pictures of the brain while patients are in bed.

Staffers at Northwell were also concerned about the infection risk from performing EEGs, tests that measure the brain's electrical activity and help diagnose seizures, Temes said. Typically, technicians spend 30 to 40 minutes in close contact with patients in order to place electrodes around their skulls.

"Right now, we actually don't know enough to say definitely how Covid-19 affects the brain and nervous system," said Chou, who is leading an international study of neurological effects of the virus. "Until we can answer some of the most fundamental questions, it would be too early to speculate on treatments."
To reduce the risk of infection, Northwell is using a headband covered in electrodes, which can be placed on patients in just a couple of minutes, he said.


The brain under attack
Answering those questions is complicated by the limited data from patient autopsies, said Lena Al-Harthi, a professor and the chair of the microbial pathogens and immunity department at Rush Medical College in Chicago.

But many neuropathologists are unwilling or unable to perform brain autopsies, Al-Harthi said.

That's because performing autopsies on patients who died of Covid-19 carries special risks, such as the aerosolization of the virus during brain removal. Pathologists need specialized facilities and equipment to conduct an autopsy safely.

Blood thinners may help patients with severe Covid-19 infections, study finds
Blood thinners may help patients with severe Covid-19 infections, study finds
Some of the best-known symptoms of Covid-19 might be caused by the virus invading the brain, said Dr. Robert Stevens, an associate professor of anesthesiology and critical care medicine at Johns Hopkins University.

Authors of a recent study from Germany found the novel coronavirus in patients' brains.

Research shows that the coronavirus may enter a cell through a molecular gateway known as the ACE-2 receptor. These receptors are found not only in the lung, but also other organs, including many parts of the brain.

In a recent study, Japanese researchers reported finding the novel coronavirus in the cerebrospinal fluid that surrounds the brain and spinal cord.

Delirium and agitation may follow Covid-19 infection, study says
Delirium and agitation may follow Covid-19 infection, study says
Some of the most surprising symptoms of Covid-19 ― the loss of the senses of smell and taste ― remain incompletely understood, but may be related to the brain, Stevens said.

A study from Europe published in May found that 87% of patients with mild or moderate Covid-19 lost their sense of smell. Patients' loss of smell couldn't be explained by inflammation or nasal congestion, the researchers said. Stevens said it's possible that the coronavirus interacts with nerve pathways from the nose to the brain, potentially affecting systems involved with processing scent.

A new study in JAMA provides additional evidence that the coronavirus invades the brain. Italian researchers found abnormalities in an MRI of the brain of a Covid-19 patient who lost her sense of smell.

Many coronavirus patients also develop "silent hypoxia," in which they are unaware that their oxygen levels have plummeted dangerously low, Stevens added.

Silent hypoxia: Covid-19 patients who should be gasping for air but aren't
When hypoxia occurs, regulatory centers in the brain stem — which control respiration — signal to the diaphragm and the muscles of the chest wall to work harder and faster to get more oxygen into the body and force out more carbon dioxide, Stevens said. The lack of this response in some patients with Covid-19 could indicate the brain stem is impaired.

Scientists suspect the virus is infecting the brain stem, preventing it from sending these signals, Temes said.

Collateral damage
Well-intentioned efforts to save lives can also cause serious complications.

Many doctors put patients who are on mechanical ventilators into a deep sleep to prevent them from pulling out their breathing tubes, which would kill them, said Dr. Pratik Pandharipande, chief of anesthesiology and critical care medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine in Nashville, Tennessee.

Both the disease itself and the use of sedatives can cause hallucinations, delirium and memory problems, said Dr. Jaspal Singh, a pulmonologist and critical care specialist at Atrium Health in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Many sedated patients experience terrifying hallucinations, which may return in recovery as nightmares and post-traumatic stress disorder.

Research shows 70% to 75% of patients on ventilators traditionally develop delirium. Delirious patients often "don't realize they're in the hospital," Singh said. "They don't recognize their family."

Why overcoming Covid-19 is just the first hurdle of a much longer journey
In the French study in the New England Journal of Medicine, one-third of discharged Covid-19 patients suffered from "dysexecutive syndrome," characterized by inattention, disorientation or poorly organized movements in response to commands.

Research shows that patients who develop delirium — which can be an early sign of brain injury — are more likely to die than others. Those who survive often endure lengthy hospitalizations and are more likely to develop a long-term disability.

Under normal circumstances, hospitals would invite family members into the ICU to reassure patients and keep them grounded, said Dr. Carla Sevin, director of the ICU Recovery Center, also at Vanderbilt.

Simply allowing a family member to hold a patient's hand can help, according to Dr. Lee Fleisher, chair of an American Society of Anesthesiologists committee on brain health. Nurses normally spend considerable time each day orienting patients by talking to them, reminding them where they are and why they're in the hospital.

"You can decrease the need for some of these drugs just by talking to patients and providing light touch and comfort," Fleisher said.

These and certain innovative practices — such as helping patients to move around and get off a ventilator as soon as possible — can reduce the rate of delirium to 50%.

Hospitals have banned visitors, however, to avoid spreading the virus. That leaves Covid-19 patients to suffer alone, even though it's well known that isolation increases the risk of delirium, Fleisher said.

Although many hospitals offer patients tablets or smartphones to allow them to videoconference with family, these devices provide limited comfort and companionship.

Doctors are also positioning patients with Covid-19 on their stomachs, rather than their backs, because a prone position seems to help clear the lungs and let patients breathe more comfortably.

But a prone position also can be uncomfortable, so that patients need more medication, Pandharipande said.

All of these factors make coronavirus patients extremely vulnerable to delirium. In a recent article in Critical Care, researchers said the intensive care unit has become a "delirium factory."

"The way we're having to care for patients right now is probably contributing to more mortality and bad outcomes than the virus itself," said Dr. Sharon Inouye, a geriatrician at Harvard Medical School and Hebrew SeniorLife, a long-term care facility in Boston. "A lot of the things we'd like to do are just very difficult."

Kaiser Health News (KHN) is a nonprofit news service covering health issues. It is an editorially independent program of the Kaiser Family Foundation that is not affiliated with Kaiser Permanente.
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teedubbya Offline
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I knew that from before... just missed it. Doh!
rfenst Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I knew that from before... just missed it. Doh!

Meh.
HockeyDad Offline
#229 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
This near you rnfest?

I’m really worried the next spike got intensified.


Relax. Universal Studios Orlando reopened today.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Relax. Universal Studios Orlando reopened today.

Can you say petrey dish this summer?
I have to be so careful. I have had two autoimmune diseases over the years.
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Can you say petrey dish this summer?
I have to be so careful. I have had two autoimmune diseases over the years.


You should be extra careful.

Florida did start opening up 4/5 weeks ago and everyone isn’t dead yet like was promised.
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My heart and cancer are very likely related to a genetic connective tissue (auto immune) disease. I’m with you rfenst. Everything here is open and most the idiots don’t wear masks because well.... stupid.
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teedubbya wrote:
My heart and cancer are very likely related to a genetic connective tissue (auto immune) disease. I’m with you rfenst. Everything here is open and most the idiots don’t wear masks because well.... stupid.

maybe if you were nicer to them they'd care about you.
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TW's mask makes him look stupid... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#235 Posted:
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I'm old, diabetic, hypertensive and asthmatic...guess I'm at risk and should stay home...

lucky I retired...
teedubbya Offline
#236 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
maybe if you were nicer to them they'd care about you.


I’m sorry
frankj1 Offline
#237 Posted:
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don't say it to me, tell the others...the bare-faced cultists.
teedubbya Offline
#238 Posted:
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**** them. ****.
HockeyDad Offline
#239 Posted:
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If you were really apologetic you would offer them toilet paper. Or a Pepsi.
Brewha Offline
#240 Posted:
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Don’t forget bleach and UV light....
HockeyDad Offline
#241 Posted:
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Maybe even a couple tablets of that malaria drug....clorawhateverquine
Brewha Offline
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“Nothing but the best for my dog”
teedubbya Offline
#243 Posted:
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**** the non-mask wearers. I hope they bring a pox on their house.

I’m sorry. No I don’t. That would mean spread and prolly kill me.

They really are stupid.

I’m sorry.
Brewha Offline
#244 Posted:
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Take a chill pill TW.

If it counts, I vote for you as Cbid’s moral compass.
teedubbya Offline
#245 Posted:
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Oh I’m chill alright. Any chillier and I’d be smaller than a light switch.
HockeyDad Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
**** the non-mask wearers. I hope they bring a pox on their house.

I’m sorry. No I don’t. That would mean spread and prolly kill me.

They really are stupid.

I’m sorry.


At least they got their voices heard through protests this week and made meaningful progress towards enacting change.
Brewha Offline
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This is of course the “azzhole rules the body” theorem.

I truism if ever I saw one.
DrafterX Offline
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TW definitely has given his a workout.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Of course their voices were heard. The rest of us were wearing masks.

Speaking of azzholes how ya doing drafter?

I’m sorry
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Starfish <----------Drafter?
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