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Double Voting is Real....
DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted:
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Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Tuesday that 1,000 Georgians voted twice in the state’s June 9 primary, a felony that he said will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


These voters submitted absentee ballots but also voted in person, a problem that happened across 100 Georgia counties, and election officials didn’t catch them in time to keep the second votes from being tallied, Raffensperger announced during a press conference outside the state Capitol.

“A double voter knows exactly what they’re doing, diluting the votes of each and every voter that follows the law,” Raffensperger said. "Those that make the choice to game the system are breaking the law. And as secretary of state, I will not tolerate it.”

It was not immediately clear whether the outcome of any races may have been affected.

Raffensperger said his office’s investigators will hand the findings over to the state attorney general and local district attorneys for possible prosecution. Double voting is a felony that is punishable by one to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $100,000, Raffensperger said.

About 150,000 of the Georgia voters who requested absentee ballots for the June primary later showed up to vote in person, Raffensperger said. One thousand of them ended up casting a second ballot, and his office intends to investigate every case thoroughly, he said.

Raffensperger said his office is working with county election officials to ensure that no double voting happens in the November general election.


Film at 11.... Think


You guys said this hasn't and wouldn't happen.... Shame on you
victor809 Offline
#2 Posted:
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I believe one of trump's recent speeches he encouraged his followers to do just that.
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted:
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Some took it that way... Even after he clarified his comment the left liberal media still runs with it while covering Biden's comments up.... Mellow
RayR Offline
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victor809 wrote:
I believe one of trump's recent speeches he encouraged his followers to do just that.


Where and when did he say this? Seriously! I want to know, please validate your assertion.
You better not be BSing because the next thing you might try to say is Trump wants dead people and illegal aliens to vote too.

delta1 Offline
#5 Posted:
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yeah...he told his supporters in North Carolina to mail in their ballots, then go to the polls in person on election day and vote again.


Talk about cluelessness or criminal...first, Trump undermines the USPS to cripple mail-in voting, then says it is a fraudulent way to vote, then says he always votes by mail, then tells people to vote by mail and then vote in person....he is definitely a cheat, a fraud and a con-artist...prolly not unique in the history of POTUS, but the first to flagrantly do all these things out in public view


I hope every one of those 1,000 Georgians who voted twice get prison time...

not casting aspersions, but the Gov. who won that election in a close race was the SoS who scrubbed the rolls in effort to suppress the vote...he lost a lawsuit recently that requires him to show his files...
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RayR wrote:
Where and when did he say this? Seriously! I want to know, please validate your assertion.
You better not be BSing because the next thing you might try to say is Trump wants dead people and illegal aliens to vote too.



Here you go RR: Delta will translate it into second grade English if you ask him nicely.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/09/05/trump-again-suggests-north-carolinians-try-to-vote-twice-which-is-a-felony/#3a6b5b7a6db1
victor809 Offline
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And in a twist of irony, he actually made the statement twice. Once in NC and again in Penn.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-doubles-down-encouraging-supporters-vote-twice-which-illegal-n1239265
RayR Offline
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fiddler898 wrote:
Here you go RR: Delta will translate it into second grade English if you ask him nicely.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/09/05/trump-again-suggests-north-carolinians-try-to-vote-twice-which-is-a-felony/#3a6b5b7a6db1


The key fact is:
Trump told his supporters to go to their polling place and check if their mail-in vote had been counted, “if not, vote, which is every American’s right” — then suggested that if their mail-in ballot arrives after they’ve voted, “it won’t count because your vote’s already been cast and tabulated.”

I can understand that, I don't trust mail in voting either. How do you know your vote was counted and didn't end up in a dumpster?
DrafterX Offline
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yep.... but that doesn't matter.... the first version will told for years and years.... Mellow
fiddler898 Offline
#10 Posted:
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No, the key fact is he told NC voters to break the law. And if you want to try to mitigate that, you might say he told them to "try" to break the law. Which is is straining at gnats to swallow a camel.

Nice try though.
victor809 Offline
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"Let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system’s as good as they say it is they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote," is not "check to see if your vote has been counted".

It's "if their system is good, you won't be able to vote, but if their system is behind you'll get to vote twice"

(note... the system will likely catch this illegal act, but probably a few days after the voting has occurred. The system is secure, but slow)
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted:
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Lots of hammers today I see.

#OUTRAGE
delta1 Offline
#13 Posted:
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so many nails


#exhaustion
HockeyDad Offline
#14 Posted:
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I guess the system was not as good as they said it was and Trump was right. Some Supervisors of Elections need to be removed.
delta1 Offline
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there were more than 3,939,000 votes cast in Georgia's 2018 elections...


1,000 is a lot...more than the typical handful that have been detected in most past elections...but it is NOT proof of massive fraud...


I am curious to see the party breakdown of the frauds who voted twice, to see if it's one party or both...
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HockeyDad wrote:
I guess the system was not as good as they said it was and Trump was right. Some Supervisors of Elections need to be removed.

something worked...they got caught.

probably told they'd be pardoned so gave it a shot.
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delta1 wrote:
there were more than 3,939,000 votes cast in Georgia's 2018 elections...


1,000 is a lot...more than the typical handful that have been detected in most past elections...but it is NOT proof of massive fraud...


I am curious to see the party breakdown of the frauds who voted twice, to see if it's one party or both...



That was 2018. It should be easy to detect voter fraud in Georgia in 2020...

I did some recon and there are maybe 10,000 people left in the state, tops. The rest of them have died due to COVID-19 complications. I'm surprised this story hasn't made it to the mainstream news yet.

So we could be lookin' at around 10% voter fraud in Georgia now. Scandalous!
tailgater Offline
#18 Posted:
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1. Is it easier to fraud our voting system in person, or by mail?

2. There's your answer.



delta1 Offline
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at the SCOTUS
Whistlebritches Offline
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delta1 wrote:



I am curious to see the party breakdown of the frauds who voted twice, to see if it's one party or both...



And I couldn't care less which party they associate with.......I want them all convicted,loss of voting privileges for life and a good long stay in the gray bar hotel.
delta1 Offline
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c'mon Ron, if it was all Dems, you'd make a pointed comment...


but like you say...lock em up
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delta1 wrote:
c'mon Ron, if it was all Dems, you'd make a pointed comment...


but like you say...lock em up


I'm sure you'd be equally unbiased.

Without knowing which side it was or the breakdown between D, R, I are you willing to give us your response or are you going to wait for the numbers* before deciding?


* not very likely that they tabulated that data nor would release it if they did.
frankj1 Offline
#23 Posted:
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I mailed in my vote for the primaries.
Trump suggests I should have voted in person as well in case my mail in ballot did not get counted.
Would I be guilty of a Federal offense had I done that?
Smooth light Offline
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Don't trust the system without verification. No harm no fowl.
danmdevries Offline
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Don't you have to request a mail in ballot?

I just got one in the mail addressed to Mildred, the last owner of my house who died here in 08?ish.
rfenst Offline
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Investigate each double vote and prosecute those who are guilty, regardless of party.

"Mr. Raffensperger noted that double voting hadn’t changed the outcome of any races... Mr. Raffensperger insisted Tuesday that the “system worked.”

NYT
RayR Offline
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danmdevries wrote:
Don't you have to request a mail in ballot?

I just got one in the mail addressed to Mildred, the last owner of my house who died here in 08?ish.


It must have been Mildred's ghost that requested the ballot. I'll bet she's a Democrat too.
victor809 Offline
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danmdevries wrote:
Don't you have to request a mail in ballot?

I just got one in the mail addressed to Mildred, the last owner of my house who died here in 08?ish.


Each state is different. And with the pandemic, some states are trying to send ballots out to anyone they still have listed as a registered voter to encourage mail-in voting.

I think they're expecting in-person to be problematic, for a number of reasons.
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Well there's definitely no way that could go wrong...
RayR Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Each state is different. And with the pandemic, some states are trying to send ballots out to anyone they still have listed as a registered voter to encourage mail-in voting.

I think they're expecting in-person to be problematic, for a number of reasons.


Since a deceased person is supposed to be removed as a registered voter on notification of death, how do you account for Mildred being dead for 12-ish years and still being listed as a registered voter?
Bureaucratic Efficiency is an oxymoron.
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victor809 wrote:
Each state is different. And with the pandemic, some states are trying to send ballots out to anyone they still have listed as a registered voter to encourage mail-in voting.

I think they're expecting in-person to be problematic, for a number of reasons.


My wife votes, got nothing in the mail for her. Just old dead Mildred.

Named my dog Milly after the lady found dead in my house. Maybe they want puppy dog to vote.
rfenst Offline
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Dogs have rights too!
victor809 Offline
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RayR wrote:
Since a deceased person is supposed to be removed as a registered voter on notification of death, how do you account for Mildred being dead for 12-ish years and still being listed as a registered voter?
Bureaucratic Efficiency is an oxymoron.


There's a lot of ways. Looks like the lists are kept at the state and county level. If her death certificate got filed outside the county (or even outside the state if she was sent to a major hospital) I could see how the records could not make it back.

Not really the amazing thing you think it is.

And no.... "bureaucratic efficiency" is not an oxymoron. It needs to be something people say for it to be an oxymoron.
victor809 Offline
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danmdevries wrote:
My wife votes, got nothing in the mail for her. Just old dead Mildred.

Named my dog Milly after the lady found dead in my house. Maybe they want puppy dog to vote.


Interesting. Do you get the packet every year? Or is it just this year that it was mailed to you?
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"Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R), speaking to reporters outside the state Capitol in Atlanta, said about 150,000 voters who applied for absentee ballots also appeared in person at polling places on election day...

Although poll workers managed to screen out the vast majority of these voters, he said, about 1,000 votes “worked their way through the system.” Some of the double votes were counted in election results, but did not affect the outcome of the races, he said...

Justin Levitt, an election expert and professor at Loyola Law School, said it would be “quite significant” if the numbers are true, though he too expressed doubts...

“Inflated claims of wrongdoing aren’t new for the Georgia Secretary of State’s office,” Levitt told The Hill. “I’d want to see the further investigation to see if any of this activity was caused by errant reporting rather than real fraud.”

The Hill
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I'd be not at all surprised if 150k old folks voted by mail a month or two ahead of the elections and then saw a commercial on election day reminding them to "get out and vote" and so they did... not fraud but not great...
Smooth light Offline
#37 Posted:
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Voter ID gets rid of the Dead and dogs,requests take care of registration and
residency. Problem fixed
victor809 Offline
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Not really.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Cuz black people are too stupid to get id or cuz black people are too poor to get id?
victor809 Offline
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Huh? Get smarter opel. I said it wouldn't fix the problem. I didn't say anything about black people.
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danmdevries wrote:
Don't you have to request a mail in ballot?

I just got one in the mail addressed to Mildred, the last owner of my house who died here in 08?ish.



I’m pretty sure she wants to vote for Trump.
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victor809 wrote:
Each state is different. And with the pandemic, some states are trying to send ballots out to anyone they still have listed as a registered voter to encourage mail-in voting.

I think they're expecting in-person to be problematic, for a number of reasons.


Mostly the number of reasons boils down the sheer pile of bodies outside of polling places. A couple of good bulldozers could easily keep the way clear for in person voting.
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victor809 wrote:
Huh? Get smarter opel. I said it wouldn't fix the problem. I didn't say anything about black people.

I think you called them poor people, but we all knew what you meant...
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danmdevries wrote:
Don't you have to request a mail in ballot?

I just got one in the mail addressed to Mildred, the last owner of my house who died here in 08?ish.

In MA we had to request a mail in ballot for the primaries to at least have the option. Had to be in or post marked maybe by a certain date to count.

I seem to recall a bunch of Trump style panic 4 years ago when he also created an escape clause to protest in case he lost...back then it was that people were voting all over the place and were registered more than one place...and the first person to come out in public was Spicer, followed by Kushner and Trump family members!

I I started a thread or posted in one that very few people actually did vote more than once (the two I read about back then both voted for Trump twice) but the issue was really that people re-registered when they moved but didn't notify their old town.

And a few here checked it out and realized they were registered more than once in different locations, I think dstieg found out in a minute!

Virtually all in that category did not move just to be able to vote twice as virtually all in that category didn't even know of their duplicate status...and it has zero to do with party affiliation.

Smooth, verifying your mail in is not done legally by following Trump's suggestion to vote in person too. It's not like hitting a provisionary tee shot in case you can't find your first shot...it's a Federal offense, and for good reason, not for partisan reason.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I think you called them poor people, but we all knew what you meant...


I know you're being purposely stupid, but this is boring.
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Dear California Voter,

All California voters will be sent a vote-by-mail ballot with a prepaid postage return envelope for the November 3, 2020 General Election.

All voters can now get critical updates on their ballots through California’s official “Where’s My Ballot?” tracking tool. Signing up takes less than three minutes!

You can select to receive notifications on the status of your vote-by-mail ballot by text (SMS), email, or voice call, including alerts if there are any issues with your ballot and instructions for how to correct them to make sure your vote is counted.

Don't miss out on the opportunity to track your ballot every step of the way!



You are supposed to be able to track ballot sent, ballot received, and ballot counted. I think I’ll sign up for tracking to see if I’ve already voted for Biden and all tax increases!
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danmdevries wrote:
Don't you have to request a mail in ballot?

I just got one in the mail addressed to Mildred, the last owner of my house who died here in 08?ish.


So for Indiana it looks like you can't vote by mail without a "good reason" and apparently covid isn't an acceptable one. So it's odd that you'd get a mail in ballot randomly this many years since she died (unless you've been getting one every year).

Are you sure it's an official ballot?
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It’s prolly a tarp.
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victor809 wrote:
So for Indiana it looks like you can't vote by mail without a "good reason" and apparently covid isn't an acceptable one. So it's odd that you'd get a mail in ballot randomly this many years since she died (unless you've been getting one every year).

Are you sure it's an official ballot?

she may not be dead, could be in the attic.
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danmdevries wrote:
Don't you have to request a mail in ballot?

I just got one in the mail addressed to Mildred, the last owner of my house who died here in 08?ish.

What are you going to do with it/about it?
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