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Because we don't have children and we live in the mountains. It's easy to go hiking in the mountains when it's a day trip.

As far as travel is concerned, it's all about planning.

For example, going to the beach is once a year for us, and we usually do some hiking at different places on the return trip.

So when we went to the beach in Georgia last year, we also hiked/visited a couple other states. There's 3 of the 9 states we visited in one 8 day trip. We used weekends as the bookends of the trip.

You would have prevented your need to defend yourself if you answered questions with terms that didn't begin with "I know more than you" or "you're wrong". Especially when the accused never claimed to be right.
Or better yet, you could have included your self-congratulations along with an actual answer to the questions. Which we still haven't heard, ironically enough. You don't have time to tell us why the John Hopkins doctor is wrong. But you have ample time to explain that you're right.

I know I'm busting your balls here. But over a beer I wouldn't let you dodge the question. Because you ARE more involved in this subject at a different level than I am.
But I'm not some hack taking shots for no reason.
I am working directly with manufacturers to put together the test kits. Have been since April.
My nephew works at Moderna. He's a biochemist working on the virus. Directly.
I haven't had an opportunity to ask him directly about the WSJ opinion piece. Family gatherings are fewer these days. But I guarantee you his answer wouldn't be dismissive like you have been.

It's that's all you got, then so be it.
I read the thread.
I was just hoping for more.

Tail if you and I were drinking a beer it would be no different. I’d likely keep my mouth shut, smile and let you continue to believe you know more than you do. I actually enjoy watching people do that. I really don’t care what you think you would let me get away with or not and I don’t care if your great grand pappy cured small pox but you never got a chance to talk to him. I’m glad you are putting together kits for the manufacturer. Someone has to do it and I’m glad it’s you.

You have demonstrated you don’t have enough knowledge to ask the right questions or connect the dots which is fine. I have these discussions with folks at multiple levels mostly way above my knowledge. I don’t start with badgering them and telling them how wrong they are.

It’s your approach that I have no interest in. You don’t really want to learn you want to call others wrong and argue. You are so far off base and yet you insist you know more than you do. It makes me have no interest to discuss it with you beer or not despite your perceived ability to make me or assume I know less because I won’t.

You are an ankle biter. I don’t like ankle biters and certainly won’t allow them to drag me down to their level on any given issue. I’m glad you think if someone doesn’t argue back you must be right or they know less than they really do. Whatever floats your boat.

But I still won’t get in to this with you and won’t get goaded in to it even if you declare false victory in an attempt to do so or conclude I don’t know what I’m talking about or do what I do for a living.

I figured out your level of knowledge on the subject, your tactic and approach to arguing, and your agenda. I’m just not interested. Meh. If that means I’m (insert nonsense here) I guess you are right, I am. I’ve simply spent too much time on it with you already.

I said previously I’m done on the topic with you. I’m just not interested. You can keep biting ankles but that won’t change things.



Edit to add one thing that maybe will help bridge the gap. Let’s say someone has been working with the modeling since day 1. Let’s say they have been taking various modeling since day 1, breaking them down and then using the same parameters to focus on various populations large and small (geographic areas, cultures, socioeconomic groups etc). Lets say they have been extrapolating the models to assist things such as testing, vax distribution and administration as well as focusing human and physical resources down to the hospital and patient level.

let’s say a large part of their job has been providing analytics to others on said subject and let’s say they have been working with adjusted models as late as Friday evening that don’t indicate imminent immunity. Now let’s say that person doesn’t believe herd immunity will happen by April based on what they have been immersed in and knowing the models have been amazingly accurate the whole time based on certain decision points. This pandemic and this virus have been pretty vanilla and pretty predictable in many ways. That means something different knowing what I know than it may to you. But you argue.

And let’s say all they get is disagreement from someone without this level of experience and education on the subject. Said person probably will no longer be interested in discussing it with them.

I hope we do have it by April. I just don’t think we will unless vax efforts grow exponentially which I suppose they could. That’s about all I can say on the matter at the time. And it could already have pretty well been pieced together by anyone reading the thread with an open mind that didn’t just want to goad and argue. It’s already there. I didn’t say much new, just connected a couple dots. I’ve said all along I hope I am wrong. But Christ my ankles hurt.

Yea that’s exactly what I said.

Takes two to tango.

can I have your beer if you're not drinking it, tw?

I actually tried to engage again with my edit despite my statement that I wouldn’t. I’ve said why I disagree. Not recognizing that isn’t my problem.

Take my beer frank, I’ll grab another and join another conversation.

Well no one could have known at the beginning, except those that did

There have been accurate predictions all along the way. I guess if you ignore things they never existed. Some folks and most models have been right about this from the beginning despite being told repeatedly they weren’t. That’s not hindsight. Folks have been screaming it all along the way but some folks have deaf ears.

It’s too easy now with 500,000 dead to say no one knew. Yes they did. And that number is under reported not over reported.

I think he's been busty, but he just posted today in cigar discussions.

I like busts. Canton was cool.

and those who have been wrong would not even think about having their heart surgeries performed by the news anchor on the local TV broadcast...or even Rand Paul, who has a medical degree...

and I would not have her do any kind of surgery, nor accept her predictions of what will happen with the corona virus over the next several months over someone with an extensive background, education and experience in virology and related fields...


nor would I trust someone, over an expert in the field, who starts by saying,"you know, a lot of people say..."

If you don't know what you are drinking, you might be wrong on some other things too.

Career civil servant through how many administrations and most had never heard about him before this pandemic. Some politician.

The effort to discredit him has been disgusting but effective to folks approaching this from a political rather than health perspective. The dude knows his **** regardless of the Trump smear campaign.

He’s very well respected by pretty much all but those swayed by politics. We are lucky to have him and most the world knows it. Except a big orange slice in the USA.

Remember the villain Hans Blix? Now he was a politician.

OMG I can’t say d I k e?

****** Van **** where are you?

It’s a specific term for a non political federal employee *shrug*

So if they don't or haven't run for office, they are not a politician? Got it. Based on that then, you'd have to say... ohhh, I don't know....I guess

Henry Kissinger was not a politician. Colin Powell was not a politician.

If your confused if they are a politician or not, ask yourself: Who do they spend most of their day to day work time with (like 98.2% of their time)? I'm pretty sure Fauci ain't running blood drives or vaccine clinics in DC. He's having meetings, cocktails and dinners with, yep... you guessed it... politicians (some even ran for office and got elected and stuff)

If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

But I get what you are saying. He’s not pure. He’s just not what trump programs his folks to think he is. That was ugly.

Who was the decider? Who is now?

Lol. Trump is still a politician. He just spoke at CPAC, hints he will run again and is playing around with future candidates you diarrhea breathed gorilla.

Winning or losing a race is the difference between being a citizen or in office but both candidates are still politicians. Trump just happens to be a big loser. A huge loser. More like Herbert Hoover then Reagan because Reagan was a winner and trump is a narcissistic liar who I don’t think I mentioned is a loser. A big loser. The biggest.

Career civil servants are the worse.

‘I’ll keep it simple. Fauci isn’t what orange man programmed his followers to think he is.

Fauci spent too much time with Chris Cuomo for my liking. Seemed like he enjoyed his 15 minutes.