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Electric vehicles - what does the future hold?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#751 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
“We urgently need to get more electric vehicles on the road,” said Luke Metzger, executive director of Environment Texas. “Any increased fee could create an additional barrier for Texans, and particularly more moderate- to low-income Texans, to make that transition.”


I dunno, that right there is the living version of the old National Lampoon cover where they have a dog with a gun pointed at its head and reads "If you don't buy this magazine, we kill this dog"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Lampoon_(magazine)#/media/File:National_Lampoon_(magazine)_cover_%E2%80%93_January_1973.jpg

Only theirs is meant to be funny and a joke. Yours...while I personally find it funny, your types won't.
Brewha Offline
#752 Posted:
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Come on DMV.
You have always been a laugh riot. LOL
8trackdisco Offline
#753 Posted:
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If you don’t buy an EV by 2030, it is going to count against your social credit score.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#754 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
If you don’t buy an EV by 2030, it is going to count against your social credit score.


Banking on it.....NOT!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#755 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Come on DMV.
You have always been a laugh riot. LOL



Actually, on this thread...you're the butt of the joke. Notice you had NOTHING to refute what the last article had to say. You'll do anything the government tells you to do.

The Ford CEO...he got played just like you. Not the 1st EV trip that resulted in failure for them.

Ford's CEO had a charging 'reality check' on his electric F-150 Lightning road trip



Ford CEO Jim Farley experienced the headache of electric-vehicle charging firsthand and acknowledged there was much to do to improve the experience for his customers.

Farley hit the road in an F-150 Lightning last week, traversing Route 66 and the American West to put the electric truck through its paces. He documented his trip on LinkedIn and X, the social-media website formerly known as Twitter.

At the end of the trip on Sunday, Farley shared his experience with charging the massive electric pickup truck.

"Charging has been pretty challenging," Farley said in a video posted on X. "It was a really good reality check of the challenges our customers go through and the importance of fast charging."

Farley said he visited a popular charging depot on Interstate 5 in Coalinga, California, where there were plenty of Tesla Superchargers. The Ford CEO, however, had to use a low-speed charger that he said delivered him a 40% charge in about 40 minutes.

Access to the Supercharger network can change the experience

Farley's experience is representative of one of the biggest remaining barriers to EV adoption, especially for non-Tesla owners.

Right now, Ford EVs can't charge at Supercharger stations, which likely would have delivered Farley and his truck more charge in a shorter period of time. But the Dearborn, Michigan, car company is partnering with Tesla to make the Supercharger network available to Ford drivers starting in spring.

After Ford announced its Supercharger partnership, other companies, including GM and Rivian, followed suit.
80 of the world’s top 100 tech firms have expanded to Singapore. Here’s why 2 US-based companies made the move.

Ford faces the EV plateau

Addressing problems like charging experience is going to be crucial to EV adoption in the next few years as the industry heads for a plateau in EV segment growth.

Ford already appears to be reacting to this slow in the growth curve. After electric Mustang Mach-Es started piling up at dealerships this summer, Ford adjusted its ambitious EV production goals for the year and appeared to abandon plans to build 2 million EVs by the end of 2026.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-ceo-electric-f-150-road-trip-charging-reality-check-2023-8?op=1



Must....stop....the bleeding....save the "patient".....

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/28/ford-embraces-hybrids-as-it-loses-billions-on-evs.html

Wonder if the towel they're throwing in says "Ford Tough" on it?



RayR Offline
#756 Posted:
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Ya, about that "Charging has been pretty challenging" stuff...

The Truth Will Out
By eric -August 19, 2023

Quote:
It’s interesting to note that the EV “transition” is only about three years old – about as long as the “pandemic” took to grow old and for many people to become rightly cynical about what they were sold.

About “masks” and “vaccines” then. And charging EVs, just now.

It’s turning out to be not quite what was advertised – and people are becoming more . . . hesitant about it, as a result. A new J.D. Power study finds customer satisfaction with the EV charging infrastructure is declining.

The 2023 U.S. Electric Vehicle Experience (EVX) Public Charging Study finds that “Despite the increase in public charging stations across the United States, customer satisfaction with public Level 2 charging has declined to 617 (on a 1,000-point scale), 16 points lower than a year ago and the lowest level since the study began in 2021.”

Shades of “safe and effective,” eh?

More...

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2023/08/19/the-truth-will-out/
HockeyDad Offline
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Electric vehicles don’t stop climate change but when you catch climate change, it makes the effects much less severe.
Brewha Offline
#758 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Actually, on this thread...you're the butt of the joke. Notice you had NOTHING to refute what the last article had to say. You'll do anything the government tells you to do.



So....again, I bought an EV cause I like the car and it's fast.

You know, maybe you should stop listening to what people tell you and check out for yourself. That way we could compare notes on experience, not just my year of ownership against your hearsay and opinions from others.

But you're not going to, are you?
EV's are a "liberal plot" and you're way to smart to fall for that - right?

Better, you will nip this sinister plot in the bud: "Captain Cut-n-Paste to the rescue!"
DrMaddVibe Offline
#759 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
So....again, I bought an EV cause I like the car and it's fast.


Great. So? This conversation was NEVER about a fast car.

Brewha wrote:
You know, maybe you should stop listening to what people tell you and check out for yourself. That way we could compare notes on experience, not just my year of ownership against your hearsay and opinions from others.


I have. It's not viable in my world. Even though on this thread I've stated quite clearly what my criteria is. You choose to play some stupid game. The Ford CEO couldn't even make it coast to coast and gave up on the leg from Michigan to Carolina.

Brewha wrote:
But you're not going to, are you?
EV's are a "liberal plot" and you're way to smart to fall for that - right?

Better, you will nip this sinister plot in the bud: "Captain Cut-n-Paste to the rescue!"


If you want to classify it as a "liberal plot" that's on you. I see this as another administration picking winners and losers with our money. We, the taxpayer have already bailed out the American auto industry once. By making up CAFE standards on a whim based on some fantasy numbers they have crippled them into submission. Just because an Executive Branch agency declares something doesn't it make it reality. You want to excuse them or worse, pretend reality doesn't matter. After all they told you grandma was going to die if you didn't wear a mask. Then you bought in to the vaccinations. Then you bought into the lockdowns and started talking down to people that had a differing opinion on the clot shots. Even after the lies were exposed you want to go back and believe the very same people? You have no problem bragging about taking rebate money for an expenditure that you chose to make. Nobody forced you into it, you gladly leaped. The reality is the electric vehicle (the way they're made now and from what I can see, even the foreseeable future) is not viable. There are enough links and articles in this thread alone to show you that I'm correct in what I'm saying.

As for your last paragraph, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. My dip$hit lemming translator must be broken.
tonygraz Offline
#760 Posted:
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We should resurrect this topic in 12 years if it's not still going then.
HockeyDad Offline
#761 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
We should resurrect this topic in 12 years if it's not still going then.


In 12 years those without EVs will not be here because there will be no internet in the camps!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#762 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
In 12 years those without EVs will not be here because there will be no internet in the camps!


Haven't you heard? China is broke. There's not going to be any camps anymore. Russia can't even steamroll a neo-Nazi DNC slush fund nation.

12 years from now you'll hear the crushing of American UAW workers, see the lack of charging stations still before you, and hear the lamentations of their women and Tesla drivers griping about battery replacement costs.
Brewha Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:


Great. So? This conversation was NEVER about a fast car.


Dude, read the subject line - What EV's bring is faster cars, lower maintenance a less expensive to operate.
Try to stay with us.


DrMaddVibe wrote:

I have. It's not viable in my world. Even though on this thread I've stated quite clearly what my criteria is. You choose to play some stupid game. The Ford CEO couldn't even make it coast to coast and gave up on the leg from Michigan to Carolina.


And that's why Ford is switching to the Tesla charger plug - so they can have the most reliable and plentiful chargers - Shmart!!



DrMaddVibe wrote:

If you want to classify it as a "liberal plot" that's on you. I see this as another administration picking winners and losers with our money. We, the taxpayer have already bailed out the American auto industry once. By making up CAFE standards on a whim based on some fantasy numbers they have crippled them into submission. Just because an Executive Branch agency declares something doesn't it make it reality. You want to excuse them or worse, pretend reality doesn't matter. After all they told you grandma was going to die if you didn't wear a mask. Then you bought in to the vaccinations. Then you bought into the lockdowns and started talking down to people that had a differing opinion on the clot shots. Even after the lies were exposed you want to go back and believe the very same people? You have no problem bragging about taking rebate money for an expenditure that you chose to make. Nobody forced you into it, you gladly leaped. The reality is the electric vehicle (the way they're made now and from what I can see, even the foreseeable future) is not viable. There are enough links and articles in this thread alone to show you that I'm correct in what I'm saying.


Yada, yada, yada -

I never said I took the tax credit - it was not available when I got my car last year (Oooh, don't you lie).

EV's are not viable, yada, yada, yada,

The govmut is out to get us, yada, yada,





You know D, between you and RayRay the entire EV market will be brought to its knees by you biting missives.

Too bad EVERY MAJOR Manufacturer is moving to EV's - wow, you guys are some much more smarty than them...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#764 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Dude, read the subject line - What EV's bring is faster cars, lower maintenance a less expensive to operate.
Try to stay with us.



The title is "Electric vehicles - what does the future hold?"

As for your multiple personality disorder...once again...it's all you.
Brewha Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yada, yada, yada.....


Say - you're not Madd are you?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#766 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Say - you're not Madd are you?


All you.


MACS Offline
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We’re headed toward an exciting all-renewable energy future. Wind and solar will power the world of tomorrow!! And tomorrow isn’t far off!

It’s time to wake up. You’re having a dream. Here’s the reality:

Oil, natural gas, and coal provide 84% of all the world’s energy. That’s down just two percentage points from twenty years ago. And oil still powers nearly 97% of all global transportation.

Contrary to headlines claiming that we’re rapidly transitioning away from fossil fuels, it's just not happening. Two decades and five trillion dollars of governments “investing” in green energy and we’ve barely moved the needle.

Just the facts, ma'am.
RayR Offline
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MACS, your facts are spoiling their Utopian Dream of a Brave New World.
HockeyDad Offline
#769 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
We’re headed toward an exciting all-renewable energy future. Wind and solar will power the world of tomorrow!! And tomorrow isn’t far off!

It’s time to wake up. You’re having a dream. Here’s the reality:

Oil, natural gas, and coal provide 84% of all the world’s energy. That’s down just two percentage points from twenty years ago. And oil still powers nearly 97% of all global transportation.

Contrary to headlines claiming that we’re rapidly transitioning away from fossil fuels, it's just not happening. Two decades and five trillion dollars of governments “investing” in green energy and we’ve barely moved the needle.

Just the facts, ma'am.


We just haven’t spent enough trillions yet.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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"We Have Turned Away Inventory": US EV Market Struggles As Cars Pile Up On Dealer Lots


The rising mismatch between electric vehicle supply and demand is showing up at car dealerships as unsold EVs stack up. Dealerships tell Bussiness Insider that EV supply from automakers has been turned away as demand cools.

Rising EV inventories and a Tesla-fueled price war could signal the beginnings of a pause in growth for the EV market.

Scott Kunes, the chief operating officer of Kunes Auto and RV Group, which sells Detroit brands and Nissan and Mitsubishi in the Midwest, said: "We have turned away EV inventory."


Big Detroit brands are "asking us to make a large investment" in these EVs, Kunes added, "and we just want to see some return on that investment."

A recent report from Cox Automotive shows automakers such as General Motors, Ford, Hyundai, and Toyota have more than 90 days' worth of unsold EVs at dealerships in July. That's about 92,000 EVs sitting at lots, more than three times the number compared with a year ago. New vehicle inventories are up about 74% from a year ago.

"It's not just that these vehicles are expensive — which they are. We're talking about a much more nuanced lifestyle change," said Sam Fiorani, the vice president of global vehicle forecasting at AutoForecast Solutions.

Fiorani said some lifestyle changes include 20-30-minute charges and range anxiety. He said, "It's hard for the average customer to make that leap while spending an extra $10,000." And not just the price but also the highest interest on new auto loans since 2009.

Several dealers previously told Insider:

As a result, one East Coast Ford dealer told Insider they were only declining allocation of electric cars from the automaker. Another in the Midwest said Lightning orders were piling up uncompleted, leaving those customers with time to pick a different EV. One Hyundai dealer on the West Coast said they were also passing on EV-specific allocation, while another Hyundai dealer told Insider he anticipated having to turn away EVs soon.

EV demand might have plateaued while major automakers are still ramping up production. By 2026, the US market is expected to have 90 new EV models, according to AutoForecast Solutions. We suspect many brands will suffer with profitability.


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/we-have-turned-away-inventory-us-ev-market-struggles-cars-pile-dealer-lots



LOL, but a certain someone thinks it's all me and my wishful thinking.


LMMFAO!!!!!Whistle
HockeyDad Offline
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Those dealerships just haven’t felt the bayonet yet. But they will.
Brewha Offline
#772 Posted:
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Car dealerships are protected by law far too much. And we pay for it. I say screw ‘em.
Many reports of people ordering their new Ford, only have the dealer tack $1-10K on at delivery. Lot of people told them to keep the vehicle.

It was illegal for me to buy my car in Texas directly from the manufacturer. So I ordered it online from California and they delivered it here. Of course, Texas was only too happy to accept the sales tax.
Brewha Offline
#773 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
"We Have Turned Away Inventory": US EV Market Struggles As Cars Pile Up On Dealer Lots


The rising mismatch between electric vehicle supply and demand is showing up at car dealerships as unsold EVs stack up. Dealerships tell Bussiness Insider that EV supply from automakers has been turned away as demand cools.

Rising EV inventories and a Tesla-fueled price war could signal the beginnings of a pause in growth for the EV market.

Scott Kunes, the chief operating officer of Kunes Auto and RV Group, which sells Detroit brands and Nissan and Mitsubishi in the Midwest, said: "We have turned away EV inventory."


Big Detroit brands are "asking us to make a large investment" in these EVs, Kunes added, "and we just want to see some return on that investment."

A recent report from Cox Automotive shows automakers such as General Motors, Ford, Hyundai, and Toyota have more than 90 days' worth of unsold EVs at dealerships in July. That's about 92,000 EVs sitting at lots, more than three times the number compared with a year ago. New vehicle inventories are up about 74% from a year ago.

"It's not just that these vehicles are expensive — which they are. We're talking about a much more nuanced lifestyle change," said Sam Fiorani, the vice president of global vehicle forecasting at AutoForecast Solutions.

Fiorani said some lifestyle changes include 20-30-minute charges and range anxiety. He said, "It's hard for the average customer to make that leap while spending an extra $10,000." And not just the price but also the highest interest on new auto loans since 2009.

Several dealers previously told Insider:

As a result, one East Coast Ford dealer told Insider they were only declining allocation of electric cars from the automaker. Another in the Midwest said Lightning orders were piling up uncompleted, leaving those customers with time to pick a different EV. One Hyundai dealer on the West Coast said they were also passing on EV-specific allocation, while another Hyundai dealer told Insider he anticipated having to turn away EVs soon.

EV demand might have plateaued while major automakers are still ramping up production. By 2026, the US market is expected to have 90 new EV models, according to AutoForecast Solutions. We suspect many brands will suffer with profitability.


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/we-have-turned-away-inventory-us-ev-market-struggles-cars-pile-dealer-lots



LOL, but a certain someone thinks it's all me and my wishful thinking.


LMMFAO!!!!!Whistle



Is this why an EV (Model Y) is the number on selling vehicle in the world?

Think
RayR Offline
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Brewha...your EV is not paying its fair share to fix da roads man!

Texas House passes bill to implement pilot program creating mileage tax

By Bethany Blankley | The Center Square contributor May 8, 2023.

Quote:
(The Center Square) – The Republican-led House passed a Democratic bill that would create a pilot program to determine how to tax drivers based on mileage driven in their vehicles on public highways in Texas.

HB 3418, filed by Rep. Terry Canales, D-Edinburgh, passed the House Friday by a vote of 96-46.

According to the bill analysis, “diesel and gas taxes are a major source of revenue for the construction and maintenance of Texas roads. There are many promising technologies on the horizon suggesting that the traveling public will see an increase in alternatively fueled vehicles on Texas roads.” The bill “seeks to assess the feasibility of vehicle mileage user fees as an alternative to the motor fuels tax in Texas by requiring the Texas Department of Transportation to conduct a vehicle mileage user fee pilot program and establishing a task force to assist in developing the program.”

The bill would amend the Transportation Code to require the Texas Department of Transportation, working with the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles and the Texas A&M Transportation Institute, to develop and implement a statewide pilot program to assess a user fee on all motor vehicles based on the number of miles driven on public highways in Texas.

When asked how a residential or commercial vehicle would be taxed, at first Canales said, “we don’t know,” but later said there could be many methodologies, including putting a tracking device on vehicles.

More...

https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/article_52b7f6e8-edbb-11ed-a2b3-a7740bee97c7.html
Brewha Offline
#775 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
Brewha...your EV is not paying its fair share to fix da roads man!

Texas House passes bill to implement pilot program creating mileage tax

By Bethany Blankley | The Center Square contributor May 8, 2023.


And if they do it along with the registration tax I could be paying 25%, maybe even 35% what you pay to operate a gas vehicle.


Poor Brewha…..
Speyside2 Offline
#776 Posted:
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Brewha, doesn't your car have a tiny gas tank? Bada bing, a hybrid.
frankj1 Offline
#777 Posted:
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there's already a mat /grid that will charge cars simply by parking over them, probably be another couple years until they become affordable and become a normal accessory in many households.
Brewha Offline
#778 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
Brewha, doesn't your car have a tiny gas tank? Bada bing, a hybrid.


No, it’s a model 3. 100% electric.
Way better - But it will be a few years before most figure that out.
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#779 Posted:
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Scott and Allen, check out WiTricity out of Watertown MA.
Uses magnetic fields instead of electricity..

don't know i this link to recent Boston Globe article will work properly...

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/08/22/business/watertown-wireless-ev-charger/
Brewha Offline
#780 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
there's already a mat /grid that will charge cars simply by parking over them, probably be another couple years until they become affordable and become a normal accessory in many households.


Inductive charging (no physical connection) has efficiency issues - but it works for a car like it works for a phone.

But just plugging the car in once or twice a week when you get home is way more convenient than going to a gas station.

Of course who does not love going to a gas station? So, I’m missing out on that too.
What is it now? $3.50 a gallon?
Brewha Offline
#781 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Scott and Allen, check out WiTricity out of Watertown MA.
Uses magnetic fields instead of electricity..

don't know i this link to recent Boston Globe article will work properly...

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/08/22/business/watertown-wireless-ev-charger/

Right, so they use electricity to create a magnetic field to charge. Called EMF.
Magnetism and electricity and two side of the same coin.
HockeyDad Offline
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The Harris Ranch Tesla Supercharger has a couple of things going for it that have made it a part of Tesla enthusiasts’ lore: It’s the one of the electric car giant’s first Supercharger stations, and with 98 charging bays, it’s also the biggest in the world.

The Central California charging station is such a big deal that Tesla clubs even make it an appointment destination. Yes, they’ll rally-style drive to it just to honor its lineage and size.

But as with many Tesla-related things, there is a secret, thinly obscured by an Oz-like curtain, at the Harris Ranch Supercharger. Hidden in plain sight across the way from the Harris Ranch Supercharger’s main stations, behind a Shell station, is a small diesel plant that has helped power Tesla’s footprint.

The news was first broken by investigative journalist Edward Niedermeyer. In May 2015, Niedermeyer drove from his Oregon home to Harris Ranch to see whether “Musk’s latest bit of dream weaving could stand up to reality.”

What Niedermeyer reportedly found was a little different from the company’s clean energy claims.

“I discovered that Tesla’s battery swap station was not in fact being made available to owners who regularly drove between California’s two largest cities,” Niedermeyer wrote in a May 2022 exposé for Slate. “Instead, the company was running diesel generators to power additional Superchargers (the kind that take 30 to 60 minutes to recharge a battery) to handle the holiday rush, their exhaust mingling with the unmistakable smell of bulls—t.”

The fact that a small diesel plant was helping power the additional chargers kicked off a series of events that unraveled the myth of Elon Musk for Niedermeyer: “Once you stop taking Musk at his word,” he wrote, “his heroic popular image evaporates, and a far darker reality begins to reveal itself.”
It seems that tracking Musk’s unsubstantiated claims has become a hobby for some. There’s even a handy website dedicated to things Musk has proclaimed that haven’t come true, along with the number of days that have passed since specific claims have been made.

The promises range from the benign — more than 1,700 days since Musk said Teslas should be able to read parking signs by the end of 2019 — to the silly — more than 1,700 days since Musk submitted a trademark application for a distilled agave liquor named “Teslaquila,” which hasn’t yet hit shelves — to the ridiculous — more than 1,800 days since Elon Musk announced that Tesla’s body shop was planning to repair collision damage in less than an hour.
Tesla’s claims hardly ‘transparent or credible’
Niedermeyer told SFGATE in an email Friday that while he doesn’t have current information about the specifics of the Harris Ranch Supercharger, “what I can say is that Tesla’s claims about Superchargers and fleet carbon emissions are hardly more transparent or credible than when I investigated in 2015.”
The investigative journalist, who wrote a in-depth investigation of Tesla, pointed to Tesla’s latest impact report, in which the company criticized current measurements of greenhouse gas emissions for failing to factor in “the impact of emissions that are avoided through the sale of zero-emission or clean-tech products.”
“But when you get all the way to the actual explanation for their emission reduction claims (page 204) you get only the vaguest explanation, based on a generous baseline comparison of 24 mpg,” Niedermeyer continued, noting that the national average is dragged down by trucks. Tesla’s own Cybertruck has yet to hit the market after it was announced in 2019 for a planned 2021 release, though the company’s Texas factory did complete its first Cybertruck this summer.

Tesla, which in 2021 said all superchargers would be 100% powered by renewable energy by the end of that year, was contacted by SFGATE to comment on the nature of the diesel plant’s current use at the Harris Ranch Supercharger. The company, which does not have a PR department, did not respond by press time.

If Tesla’s calculations sound strange or a little off, it’s by design, Niedermeyer said.

“One of the real tragedies of Tesla, in my personal opinion, is the extent to which well-meaning people were convinced that this company whose mission is in fact extreme wealth generation by any means necessary is somehow a force for good, to be supported like one would a real mission-driven nonprofit,” the investigative journalist wrote SFGATE.

As proof, Niedermeyer cites “Tesla’s record of rampant environmental law violations,” including repeated infractions at its Fremont factory.
But despite every promise unfulfilled and every alleged corner cut and law broken, some Tesla owners — who by now are used to the heady claims from their car company and its attention-seeking CEO — feel what has been delivered at the Harris Ranch Supercharger should be judged against Tesla’s competition. And when Tesla is matched against other car manufacturers, at least when it comes to charging convenience, the difference isn’t close.

“I looked at other EVs before buying my Tesla, trust me,” Hollister resident Joselito Mondorio told SFGATE while he was charging his Tesla Model S at Harris Ranch on Tuesday en route to LA for vacation. “I have a long commute and I just wanted something reliable, with available charging stations to get me there and back.

“This was really the only choice.”
When asked whether he monitors where the energy comes from that goes into his car, Mondorio paused to think about it for a moment. “You know, I should do it more,” he said. “But for me, I’m not putting gas in the car or exhaust [in the air]. But it’s something to look at, for sure.”

MACS Offline
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Yep. Charging stations need power... and they get it from fossil fuels. Ironical, ain't it?
RayR Offline
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MACS wrote:
Yep. Charging stations need power... and they get it from fossil fuels. Ironical, ain't it?


So what are they gonna do when fossil fuels are illegal? Think
MACS Offline
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Not going real well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMO-aXFSlEo
RayR Offline
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MACS wrote:
Not going real well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMO-aXFSlEo


The Best Laid Plans of Mice and Men...and MORONS.
MACS Offline
#787 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
The Best Laid Plans of Mice and Men...and MORONS.


Often go awry... and really awry when the gubmint gets involved.
RayR Offline
#788 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
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MACS wrote:
Often go awry... and really awry when the gubmint gets involved.


Gubmint, that was the MORON part.
Brewha Offline
#789 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
Hilton commits to adding EV chargers


While Hertz and other rental car companies have purchased tens of thousands of EVs, people hesitate to rent them because travelers don't have easy access to places to charge.

Hilton will give them a major new option as the chain has committed to adding up to 20,000 Tesla Universal charging stations at 2,000 hotels in the U.S., Canada, and Mexico.

"With at least six chargers at each of the selected hotels, Hilton will become the first choice for the dramatically increasing number of travelers who drive electric vehicles," the hotel chain shared.

This deal won't just be good for Tesla as its chargers work in all EVs offered in North America.

"To ensure electric vehicle adoption at scale, our joint industry goal must be to vastly improve upon the traditional gasoline vehicle ownership experience, not just meet it," Tesla's senior director of charging infrastructure, Rebecca Tinucci, said.

"Installing infrastructure at popular destinations, like Hilton hotels, enables EV owners to charge where they park, meaning no unnecessary refueling stops along their journey."

Hilton will add these chargers in early 2024, creating the largest one-time jump in the availability of EV chargers
RayR Offline
#790 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
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WOW! What a relief. The lack of charging stations at Hilton's really held me back from buying an EV.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#791 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,528
RayR wrote:
WOW! What a relief. The lack of charging stations at Hilton's really held me back from buying an EV.



Have you seen the green haired people driving Teslas? They're not really Hilton clientele to begin with. More posturing and I'd be willing to bet that Hilton Corp. is doing this only because they're getting govt. subsidies to put them in!
Brewha Offline
#792 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
I could give you boys my Hilton Honors number. That way you could get a room together…..
DrMaddVibe Offline
#793 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,528
Brewha wrote:
I could give you boys my Hilton Honors number. That way you could get a room together…..


Oh, liar please.
RayR Offline
#794 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
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Ya, Brewha is more the Motel 6 type
MACS Offline
#795 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
Ya, Brewha is more the Motel 6 type


They leave the light on for ya...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#796 Posted:
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Posts: 55,528
Peasants line up and behave!


Listen: Citizens Call 911 on Biden Energy Secretary Granholm’s Staff for Blocking EV Charger



Audio of a 911 call made when U.S. Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm’s staff were blocking an electric vehicle (EV) charger has been released.

This week, NPR reported that Granholm’s recent four-day road trip from North Carolina to Tennessee encountered an unforeseen problem when a member of her advance team used a gas-powered vehicle to block an EV charging station in fear that her caravan would not be able to recharge when they reached their destination. As a result, a couple with a baby called the police, claiming that the parked car was preventing people from charging their vehicles.

“I’m calling because I’m in the Grovetown Walmart at the charging station and there’s literally a non-electric car that is taking up a space and said they’re holding the space for somebody else,” the woman said to the 911 dispatcher. “And it’s holding up a whole bunch of people who need to charge their cars.”

“There are other people who are waiting to charge and they’re still here and they’re not in electric cars,” she continued. “The sign says you can’t park here unless you’re charging.”

A police officer did eventually respond to the call, but no police report was ever filed. NPR reporter Camila Domonoske, who accompanied the caravan, said the trip highlighted some of the issues faced by those who wish to take long trips in electric vehicles.

“I drive an electric vehicle myself, and I’ve test-driven many more as NPR’s auto reporter. I know how easy it can be to charge when everything goes well and how annoying it can be when things go poorly,” wrote Domonoske. “Riding along with Granholm, I came away with a major takeaway: EVs that aren’t Teslas have a road trip problem, and the White House knows it’s urgent to solve this issue.”

The NPR report further said that the entourage “at times had to grapple with the limitations of the present. Like when her caravan of EVs — including a luxury Cadillac Lyriq, a hefty Ford F-150 and an affordable Bolt electric utility vehicle — was planning to fast-charge in Grovetown, a suburb of Augusta, Georgia.”

“Her advance team realized there weren’t going to be enough plugs to go around. One of the station’s four chargers was broken, and others were occupied. So an Energy Department staffer tried parking a nonelectric vehicle by one of those working chargers to reserve a spot for the approaching secretary of energy,” it said.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/09/12/listen-911-biden-energy-secretary-granholm-staff-blocking-ev-charger/


Been a hot minute since anyone mentioned Baghdad Bob and his fanatical spoutings, but at least with his passing we have Brewie. Take it away Pedo Joe cheerleader.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#797 Posted:
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The inevitable EV implosion



The electric vehicle honeymoon is over. Don’t expect the marriage itself to last much longer either.

The mass conversion from internal combustion engine vehicles (ICEs) to electric vehicles was never more than a Democrat/environmentalist hallucination anyway. It was the most ill-conceived government policy objective in modern history.

The transition should have been a non-starter. It’s riddled with numerous deal killers. It’s like having a dozen fatal diseases all at the same time.

Any goal as massive as a total conversion from ICE vehicles to EVs requires careful planning and infrastructure preparation. It would necessitate a rapid doubling of electricity generation and grid expansion. In today’s world that’s impossible.

EV promoters could never deliver on their promises. Their grandiose assurances were nothing more than wishful thinking.

There was no market research. Hmm -- I wonder why. There were no feasibility studies. Hmm -- I wonder why. Did they actually believe everyone would tolerate spending hours to charge their vehicles rather than the minutes they were accustomed to?

Car dealers are resisting further deliveries of EVs because of swelling inventories. Avis and Hertz can’t even get people to rent EVs! Yet, manufacturers are ramping up production just as consumers are balking. Something will have to give, and soon. EV makers and their shareholders will tire of pouring money down a rathole.

We are spending trillions of dollars on a fabricated dream, all for imaginary payoffs decades in the future.

When the EV house of cards collapses what will the reaction be? Ordinarily, for normal persons, it would be a time for regret, rethinking, and humility.

It would be good if the Democrat/environmentalist true believers learned something from the EV debacle. However, the same utopian blindness that caused this fiasco will prevent any lesson-learning on their part. We are more likely to see them doubling down instead.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/09/the_inevitable_ev_implosion.html


So, when they run out of taxpayer money....
DrMaddVibe Offline
#798 Posted:
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Ford Suddenly Halts Construction At EV Battery Plant Amid Republican Probe Over China Ties



Ahead of President Biden's scheduled visit to Michigan on Tuesday to support the United Auto Workers on the picket line, Ford Motor Co. announced a pause in building a multi-billion battery factory in the state on Monday. This comes as Congressional Republicans investigate Ford's connections with a Chinese electric vehicle battery company.

"We're pausing work, and we're going to limit spending on construction at Marshall until we're confident about our ability to competitively run the plant," Ford spokesman T.R. Reid told The Detroit News on Monday.

Reid mentioned that multiple "considerations" influenced the decision. However, he did not specify whether the ongoing UAW strike, currently in its second week, was one of the main factors leading to the decision to shutter construction at the Marshall, Michigan, battery plant.

The Wall Street Journal said several Republican-led committees in the House have opened an investigation into Ford's deal with Contemporary Amperex Technology (CATL), one of the world's largest EV battery manufacturers based in China, to manufacture battery cells.

Former US Ambassadors Peter Hoekstra and Joseph Cella, co-founders of the Michigan-China Economic and Security Review Group, were quoted by Fox News as saying:

"We applaud that the construction of this reckless deal has been halted.

"From the outset, Ford Motor Company, the State of Michigan, the Michigan Economic Development Corporation and all other parties to it have been irresponsible in advancing this deal."

They continued:

"There was zero strict scrutiny or due diligence, concerns of our intelligence and national security agencies were ignored and mocked.

"The halting of the construction is the natural result of the consent of the governed being ruptured by government and business elites. With citizen activists, we are not relenting or letting our guard down. We will keep fighting against the Ford-CATL and Gotion deals until they are no more."


Many Michigan Democrats support the Ford-CATL deal, while Republicans oppose it.

On Sunday, ultra-liberal New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez told CBS's Face the Nation that she intends to sell her non-union-made Tesla Model 3 for a union-made EV from Michigan. Notably, Tesla's are the most American-made EVs, a detail often overlooked by Democrats who prefer EVs from General Motors or Stellantis, which source their parts internationally. This only suggests some Democrats are prioritizing radical politics over their so-called 'climate change' and 'build back better' narrative.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ford-suddenly-halts-construction-ev-battery-plant-amid-republican-probe-over-china


So, perhaps we halt the growing CCP military expansion plans and spying on this front.
delta1 Offline
#799 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
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I rarely buy something based on anything other than personal need...and definitely not to make a political statement. After much research and deliberation, I've concluded that an EV will NOT be the best car for my needs, at this time. If I was still working and doing a daily 2 hour commute, I would've bought one by now. Have you seen the price of gas? $6.39/gal premium here in Corona...yikes

But a daily commute is not my primary reason for a car. Now I like to go on long road trips, often off the beaten path. Having to rely on charging stations that are rarely off the beaten path, that are susceptible to vandalism and lack of maintenance, that may be beyond the driving range of my car, forcing me to re-route in order to re-charge, along with having to stop every 3-4 hours for 30-120 minutes to recharge will take the pleasure out of pleasure trips. I'll stay with ICE cars until the EV battery technology and recharging infrastructure improves to be comparable to refilling with gasoline.

Although I may rightly be accused of being a tree hugger who cares about the environment and the condition of the home we leave for future generations, especially our kids and their kids, I am not so committed to those causes that I believe my personal life style choices make any difference. But I will continue to support and advocate for general measures to care for our planet. Even so...I'll have a double thick ribeye steak, please.
HockeyDad Offline
#800 Posted:
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And the planet just died a little.
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