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tailgater Offline
#101 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 2:47 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Yall really should watch the show.... you don't have to agree with it but it says much the same thing then looks past it for the moment..... you can argue about it all you want or compare it to the silly 9-11 movies but you should watch it first.... it dives into your very arguments.


Meh....


So the CNN show tells us WHY the medicinal mj movement is fronted by stoners?

Because that's what I said that got everyone hot and bothered.
I said I agree with medical mj. I also voted in my state to make non medical possession a simple $100 fine rather than jail time. I said that I think pot is no big deal if we control it properly.

But I pointed out how the movement is perceived and I'm labeled a hater who needs more television time.

It's a friggin joke how knee jerk the proponents are.

As if they're paranoid for some reason...
dubleuhb Offline
#102 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 2:49 PM EST
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Weed makes you paranoid, go figure.
DrafterX Offline
#103 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 2:49 PM EST
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prolly stoned... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#104 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 2:52 PM EST
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Or high on that marijuana.
DrafterX Offline
#105 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 2:56 PM EST
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prolly puffin on the magic dragon.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#106 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 2:58 PM EST
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Sucking the hootch.
teedubbya Offline
#107 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 2:58 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So the CNN show tells us WHY the medicinal mj movement is fronted by stoners?

Because that's what I said that got everyone hot and bothered.
I said I agree with medical mj. I also voted in my state to make non medical possession a simple $100 fine rather than jail time. I said that I think pot is no big deal if we control it properly.

But I pointed out how the movement is perceived and I'm labeled a hater who needs more television time.

It's a friggin joke how knee jerk the proponents are.

As if they're paranoid for some reason...



No it actually agrees to an extent, acknowledges it, then moves past that fact to look further. That's the problem, without watching it you really have no idea what it says and can't really speak to it. Thus it is a waste of time to respond to what you assume it says. It's cool you don't want to be informed on the subject of the OP.

Gupta has been a strident opponent of medical marijuana. He was in the very same place regarding this.
DrafterX Offline
#108 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 2:59 PM EST
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Doing a fatty.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#109 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 3:00 PM EST
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I'd be anti weed too if I was willing to be foreced to shelter in place and frisked while my house is searched anytime there are criminals in the neighborhood

Flapper
tailgater Offline
#110 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 3:03 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
No it actually agrees to an extent, acknowledges it, then moves past that fact to look further. That's the problem, without watching it you really have no idea what it says and can't really speak to it. Thus it is a waste of time to respond to what you assume it says. It's cool you don't want to be informed on the subject of the OP.

Gupta has been a strident opponent of medical marijuana. He was in the very same place regarding this.



What a cop out.
Disappointing, even for a renowned fence sitter.

Here's a newsflash: It's possible to discuss a topic without watching a specific CNN segment. Unless the topic is the CNN segment itself, this is universally true.

The movement is strife with stoners. CNN address this. Big Whoop.

I have moved beyond the poor perception and have embraced the concept of medicinal mj. Yet I need educating because you say so?

Self righteous blather.

And another thing...





I forget.
teedubbya Offline
#111 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 3:08 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
What a cop out.
Disappointing, even for a renowned fence sitter.

Here's a newsflash: It's possible to discuss a topic without watching a specific CNN segment. Unless the topic is the CNN segment itself, this is universally true.

The movement is strife with stoners. CNN address this. Big Whoop.

I have moved beyond the poor perception and have embraced the concept of medicinal mj. Yet I need educating because you say so?

Self righteous blather.

And another thing...





I forget.


The OP was about WEED the CNN special

yes it is possible to discuss MJ without discussing the CNN special (the topic of this thread). But you keep referencing the special and insinuating it either says something it doesn't or that it doesn't address certain things. It's how you argue. It's cool. I get it and think it is amusing. You are all over the place.

And likely stoned.
teedubbya Offline
#112 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 3:09 PM EST
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I'm also not ripping on you for being anti weed or not wanting to be exposed to any information that would make you quesiton your stance

Flapper
tailgater Offline
#113 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 3:16 PM EST
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Holy crap.

Anxious
tailgater Offline
#114 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 3:17 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm also not ripping on you for being anti weed or not wanting to be exposed to any information that would make you quesiton your stance

Flapper


I have a wide stance.
DrafterX Offline
#115 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 3:17 PM EST
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prolly caramelizing the flan.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#116 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 3:21 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
prolly caramelizing the flan.... Mellow


is that similar to a pittsburgh pancake?
DrafterX Offline
#117 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 3:23 PM EST
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I dunno..... not gonna look it up either... Not talking Not talking
edin508 Offline
#118 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 3:41 PM EST
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Wanna go get baked? Herfing
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#119 Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2013, 4:34 PM EST
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Taps86 wrote:
....God I can't wait for the younger generation to start getting into office.

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#120 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 1:34 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
What a cop out.
Disappointing, even for a renowned fence sitter.

Here's a newsflash: It's possible to discuss a topic without watching a specific CNN segment. Unless the topic is the CNN segment itself, this is universally true.

The movement is strife with stoners. CNN address this. Big Whoop.

I have moved beyond the poor perception and have embraced the concept of medicinal mj. Yet I need educating because you say so?

How can you discuss the show and the facts offered when you haven't watched it?
Real doctors wearing white smocks or a suit and tie have been advocating medical use for decades. The problem is that ANYONE recommending or using MMJ is perceived as a "stoner" regardless of their appearance.

You say you "moved beyond the poor perception and have embraced the concept of medicinal mj" but continued to make Anslinger-ish type comments, broad characterizations, and statements that are completely wrong and illustrate your lack of acceptance/knowledge of the facts. IMHO the discussion is hysterical as it appears to be an argument purely for an argument.

Here's a couple of quotes from some other self-righteous knee jerk proponents:
"If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion by education"
"The greatest service that can be rendered to any country is to add a useful plant to its culture."
"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
~Thomas Jefferson

"Cannabis is remarkably safe. Although not harmless, it is surely less toxic than most of the conventional medicines it could replace if it were legally available. Despite its use by millions of people over thousands of years, cannabis has never caused an overdose death."
~Testimony of Professor Lester Grinspoon, M.D., Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, before the Crime Subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C., October 1, 1997

"There are no long lasting ill-effects from the acute use of marijuana and no fatalities have ever been recorded ... there seems to be growing agreement within the medical community, at least, that marijuana does not directly cause criminal behaviour, juvenile delinquency, sexual excitement, or addiction."
~Dr J. H. Jaffe, The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics. L.Goodman and A Gillman, 3rd edn. 1965

"Users in our matched-pair sample smoked marijuana in addition to as many tobacco cigarettes as did their matched non-using pairs. Yet their small airways were, if anything, a bit healthier than their matches. We must tentatively conclude either that marijuana has no harmful effect on such passages or that it actually offers some slight protection against harmful effects of tobacco smoke"
~Cannabis in Costa Rica: A Study of Chronic marijuana Use; Institute of Human Issues

"Simulated driving scores for subjects experiencing a normal social "high" and the same subjects under control conditions are not significantly different. However, there are significantly more errors for alcohol intoxicated than for control subjects"
~Crancer Study, Washington Department of Motor Vehicles

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
~Biblical - Genesis 1:29
tailgater Offline
#121 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 9:02 AM EST
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I apologize for the long post up front:


cacman wrote:
How can you discuss the show and the facts offered when you haven't watched it?
Real doctors wearing white smocks or a suit and tie have been advocating medical use for decades. The problem is that ANYONE recommending or using MMJ is perceived as a "stoner" regardless of their appearance.
I never said "anyone". I said that those pushing the movement, those who are in the public view, are the stereotypical stoners.

You say you "moved beyond the poor perception and have embraced the concept of medicinal mj" but continued to make Anslinger-ish type comments, broad characterizations, and statements that are completely wrong and illustrate your lack of acceptance/knowledge of the facts. IMHO the discussion is hysterical as it appears to be an argument purely for an argument.
What have I stated that is "completely wrong"? Be careful here, because most of the counterpoints against my comments have been based on selective hearing. I say things like "all non-medicinal use of mj is for getting high" and the retort is "what about medicinal mj use?". It would be aggravating if it wasn't so funny.

Here's a couple of quotes from some other self-righteous knee jerk proponents:
"If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion by education"
"The greatest service that can be rendered to any country is to add a useful plant to its culture."
"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
~Thomas Jefferson
"slave. Tend to my mj crop. then sleep with me and bear my child." - T. Jefferson

"Cannabis is remarkably safe. Although not harmless, it is surely less toxic than most of the conventional medicines it could replace if it were legally available. Despite its use by millions of people over thousands of years, cannabis has never caused an overdose death."
~Testimony of Professor Lester Grinspoon, M.D., Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, before the Crime Subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C., October 1, 1997
I believe this to be true.

"There are no long lasting ill-effects from the acute use of marijuana and no fatalities have ever been recorded ... there seems to be growing agreement within the medical community, at least, that marijuana does not directly cause criminal behaviour, juvenile delinquency, sexual excitement, or addiction."
~Dr J. H. Jaffe, The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics. L.Goodman and A Gillman, 3rd edn. 1965
Would you openly use it in front of your kids?


"Simulated driving scores for subjects experiencing a normal social "high" and the same subjects under control conditions are not significantly different. However, there are significantly more errors for alcohol intoxicated than for control subjects"
~Crancer Study, Washington Department of Motor Vehicles
So we shouldn't worry about the driving. We should let kids smoke pot and drive. If you say no, then you're not truly believing what this study says.


"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
~Biblical - Genesis 1:29
You do realize that the earth is full of many poison herbs and berries and such. Don't you?


The fact is that pot should be legal in all 50 states for medicinal use. Right now. I firmly believe this.

Making it street legal deserves further consideration and the proper approach.
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#122 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 9:05 AM EST
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Why do you hate street people..?? Huh
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#123 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 9:24 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Why do you hate street people..?? Huh



Because they're fricking street people!
DrafterX Offline
#124 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 9:26 AM EST
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true.... true..... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#125 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 9:31 AM EST
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Maybe it has already been covered here but, the whole medicinal marijuana movement and the push to legalize it is fronted by potheads.
tailgater Offline
#126 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 9:32 AM EST
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Can you smoke pot while wearing a shirt made of hemp?
HockeyDad Offline
#127 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 9:34 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Can you smoke pot while wearing a shirt made of hemp?



Sounds like a scene from a medicinal marijuana rally.
DrafterX Offline
#128 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 9:35 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Can you smoke pot while wearing a shirt made of hemp?



Yes.... plus you can tear off a chunk when you get da munchies.... ThumpUp
tailgater Offline
#129 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 9:37 AM EST
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Quote from the last rally:
"There is significant evidence to prove that the use of marijuana has no long term eff.....dude. I'm SO wasted. Now, where was I? Oh yeah. Anyone got some Doritos?"
dstieger Offline
#130 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 10:41 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Because they're fricking street people!


And, because a lot of them look like hippies.
tailgater Offline
#131 Posted: Wed, Aug 14 2013, 11:29 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
And, because a lot of them look like hippies.


Street people look like hippies?

I always thought it was the other way around?
mrm21477 Offline
#132 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2013, 1:08 AM EST
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All drugs should be legal, and no I don't use any. Remember prohibition? Prohibition stemmed the largest criminal wave in the past one hundred years. Drugs should be legalized,taxed, and when abused, treated as what it is. A public health issue. Do you know how many people are in prison on non-violent drug offenses? Do you know the percentage of those that are white, Iam white by the way. Do you know how much that costs us as law abiding, tax paying citizens? Keeping drugs illegal fills criminals pockets. We probably funded 9/11 through AL Qaeda's illegal network of opium distribution. For those who say "well what about my children and their safety?" I have five children. Raise them with morals and a sense of community. Liquor stores are on every corner of this used to be great country. Alcohol is one of the worst drugs out there. We as a people need to stand up and take this country back. With the disappearance of the middle class all of our days are numbered. It is time we had a complete turn about on how we view this world. All i wish is to leave it better for my children. I don't see this happening and it saddens me greatly.

Long Live Cigars!!!
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