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Kawak Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 9:39 AM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Paul!

Long time no talk bro.

See you at Keith's in a few weeks?


Hey coop!

Can you email me the info? Hopefully it works!
Burner02 Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 11:10 AM EST
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I guess trying to take the officer's weapon was not threatening. Continuing to advance on the officer after being shot once, was not threatening. And never mind that the testimony of 6-7 individuals of color backed Officer Wilson's account.

One should never allow the facts to stand in the way of the truth. And lets not forget the media, this is another prime example of the media trying to lead this case to their desired disposition. Cop killing unarmed black youth plays better than cop defends self.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
HockeyDad Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 11:25 AM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?





Yeah!

Signed: Jameis Winston
Burner02 Offline
#54 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 11:32 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Yeah!

Signed: Jameis Winston




lmao and I don't think I ever said he was guilty.
propeller Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 12:16 PM EST
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If you act like an animal you better be prepared to be treated like an animal.

Brown was acting like an animal. ALL the evidence supports that!

Some of you need to get your heads out of your asses!

Just sayin..........
opelmanta1900 Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 12:22 PM EST
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I didn't know animals smoked cigarillos and jaywalked...
victor809 Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 12:25 PM EST
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MACS wrote:

Ever been a cop? Understand what the "will to survive" is? People want protection from the police, they don't want to pay them a lot for it, and when a cop makes a life or death decision, he gets what Mr. Wilson got... second guessed by the retards who haven't got the balls or sense to protect themselves.

Make no mistake. Wilson felt that he was in a fight for his life. He was punched twice. Lets say the third punch knocked him unconscious... that fat thug would have been able to kill him with his own gun.

Officer Wilson survived his encounter with Michael Brown. Michael Brown did not survive because he chose to fight with a cop that was prepared to do whatever was necessary to go home at the end of shift. I applaud him.


So I'm thinking about your statement and trying to figure out why the wilson/brown thing still rubs me the wrong way. In theory, you're right. In theory when a cop is in a fight for his life, there is absolutely no reason for him to not shoot multiple times until the target stops. And in theory a cop's testimony is considered more reliable than an average witnesses.

So if in theory everything is absolutely hunky-dory, why is there a sh$tstorm?

I think (and this is just my speculation) that there is at minimum a perception that there are an inordinate amount of incidents where non-white suspects are shot by cops in situations where a white person wouldn't be shot. And while I'm sure rioting in the streets is definitely going to fix that problem (sarcasm... but to be fair, it's white and black people looting and rioting. I follow the anonymous twitter feed and they're organizing riots everywhere). But regardless, the perception is there. If people think just being non-white is going to increase the chances of you getting shot, then people are going to start demanding answers and second-guessing those actions and answers when a non-white person is shot. It's simple cause and effect. Maybe this isn't the case the mobs should have decided to fight over.... maybe they should have gotten mad over the video of the dude walking around target talking on his phone and holding a pellet gun before the cops shot him. Maybe they should have chosen another one... but I don't think mobs have this much planning ability.
Abrignac Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 12:34 PM EST
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I'm really tired of hearing about unarmed assailants and the fact that they don't present a danger.

I'm sure Viki Wax's family would agree.

http://www.odmp.org/officer/17326-lieutenant-vickie-salassi-wax#ixzz3KCG3Cmaa wrote:
Lieutenant Vickie Wax was shot and killed with her own service weapon during her attempt at handcuffing a shoplifting suspect.

She had succeeded in placing a handcuff on one hand, and was attempting to cuff the other hand, when a struggle ensued. Lieutenant Wax was knocked down and she lost possession of her weapon. She was then shot. A store security guard and a customer, who had assisted her during the struggle, were also shot and seriously wounded.

The suspect escaped by carjacking a vehicle but later turned himself in. He was charged with first degree murder, two counts of first degree attempted murder, and several other charges. He was convicted of the charges and sentenced to death.

Lieutenant Wax had served with the Baton Rouge Police Department for 27 years. She is survived by her husband, father, two brothers, sister, and two nephews.
Burner02 Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 12:40 PM EST
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I suspect that if Victor was in Officer Wilson's shoes, he would either have killed the young man or been killed himself.

End of story.
Brewha Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 12:47 PM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
Criminal assaults cop, criminal resists arrest criminal dies. Fact of life, it happens. Innocent until proven guilty. Legal system found no reason to move forward. Over and done, move on.

I think the real story here is the effectiveness of conjecture. Lots of people filled the streets and the media with their opinions, packaged as facts, and push their world views. Many say it is a good example of the low class criminal element, while still more use it as a rally point against police brutality.

We really don't know what happend. And that is not a damper, it's springboard.

Nothing to be proud of here.....
victor809 Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 12:48 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
I suspect that if Victor was in Officer Wilson's shoes, he would either have killed the young man or been killed himself.

End of story.


If I were in his shoes I probably would have shot someone 10 minutes earlier for doing something else I didn't like. I would make a sh#tty cop (think harvey keitel in bad lieutenant). I sure as hell hope that people who want to be cops are going to be better at it than I would be.
gryphonms Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 12:55 PM EST
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The tragedy is our system of social services does nothing to break the cycle of poverty, crime, and lack of opportunity. In fact it does the opposite.
Brewha Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 1:13 PM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
The tragedy is our system of social services does nothing to break the cycle of poverty, crime, and lack of opportunity. In fact it does the opposite.

Sometimes it does do more damage than good - but not always. We need these services, but I will grant you they are far from perfect. And people muddying the water with their "facts" about them does not make it easier to refine the system.

Me, I try to be objective and not rage at the machine. Even tough I never got my Obamaphone....
DrafterX Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 1:17 PM EST
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I never got mine either damnit..!! Mad
Abrignac Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 1:34 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Sometimes it does do more damage than good - but not always. We need these services, but I will grant you they are far from perfect. And people muddying the water with their "facts" about them does not make it easier to refine the system.

Me, I try to be objective and not rage at the machine. Even tough I never got my Obamaphone....


Refine the system? Wow...

These programs you speak of don't shrink. They only grow larger. What started out as a way to bridge short gaps has evolved into a birthright. It's gonna take more than a little tinkering to fix them.

For the life of me I don't understand why anyone should be entitled to government assistance simply because the filter air through their lungs.

I would love to know what percentage of assistance recipients have been receiving the same since birth and how many siblings they have who have also been receiving assistance since birth.
Burner02 Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 1:40 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I never got mine either damnit..!! Mad



I can send you a couple of my Obama phones.
DrafterX Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 1:41 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:


For the life of me I don't understand why anyone should be entitled to government assistance simply because the filter air through their lungs.



Think
therrm Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 1:46 PM EST
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Did you guys see all the black monday sales Ferguson was having? We didnt even get a flyer in our paper.
Brewha Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 1:57 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Refine the system? Wow...

These programs you speak of don't shrink. They only grow larger. What started out as a way to bridge short gaps has evolved into a birthright. It's gonna take more than a little tinkering to fix them.

For the life of me I don't understand why anyone should be entitled to government assistance simply because the filter air through their lungs.

I would love to know what percentage of assistance recipients have been receiving the same since birth and how many siblings they have who have also been receiving assistance since birth.

Are you writing of general social services or corporate welfare? You know, companies are people too.

Oh, I understand that there is a lot of people stealing from the welfare system. And it needs to be fixed. And there are lots of people that honestly qualify for government entitlements. But I think the lions share of welfare theft goes to the corporations. But we wouldn't want to rage about that now would we?
DrafterX Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 1:59 PM EST
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not really.... they create and support taxpayers and stuff... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 2:00 PM EST
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therrm wrote:
Did you guys see all the black monday sales Ferguson was having? We didnt even get a flyer in our paper.

I heard they were slashing prices with barn burner deals. Smashing savings I'm told.....
Abrignac Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 5:02 PM EST
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Let's put this into perspective.

Post #62
gryphonms wrote:
The tragedy is our system of social services does nothing to break the cycle of poverty, crime, and lack of opportunity. In fact it does the opposite.


Post #63
Brewha wrote:
Sometimes it does do more damage than good - but not always. We need these services, but I will grant you they are far from perfect. And people muddying the water with their "facts" about them does not make it easier to refine the system.

Me, I try to be objective and not rage at the machine. Even tough I never got my Obamaphone....



Post #65
Abrignac wrote:
Refine the system? Wow...

These programs you speak of don't shrink. They only grow larger. What started out as a way to bridge short gaps has evolved into a birthright. It's gonna take more than a little tinkering to fix them.

For the life of me I don't understand why anyone should be entitled to government assistance simply because the filter air through their lungs.

I would love to know what percentage of assistance recipients have been receiving the same since birth and how many siblings they have who have also been receiving assistance since birth.


Post #69
Brewha wrote:
Are you writing of general social services or corporate welfare? You know, companies are people too.

Oh, I understand that there is a lot of people stealing from the welfare system. And it needs to be fixed. And there are lots of people that honestly qualify for government entitlements. But I think the lions share of welfare theft goes to the corporations. But we wouldn't want to rage about that now would we?




I did not bring up corporate welfare as it was not part of the original discussion. But, feel free to dig up any old post that I made in favor of such. If on the other hand, you find an abundance of posts I made in opposition to such, feel free to quote them as well.

On another note, I like your comment regarding corporations are people too. I'm going to have to mine a bit as I seem to recall you saying much the opposite when discussing the SCOTUS case regarding corporations opposed to certain types of birth control. However, since you are being sarcastic I won't waste my time.
Brewha Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 5:26 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Let's put this into perspective.

I did not bring up corporate welfare as it was not part of the original discussion. But, feel free to dig up any old post that I made in favor of such. If on the other hand, you find an abundance of posts I made in opposition to such, feel free to quote them as well.

On another note, I like your comment regarding corporations are people too. I'm going to have to mine a bit as I seem to recall you saying much the opposite when discussing the SCOTUS case regarding corporations opposed to certain types of birth control. However, since you are being sarcastic I won't waste my time.


Was that Hobby Lobby pushing their religious agenda and saving themselves a few bucks in the process?
Corporations may be people in the eyes of the law, but I never said they were good people.



The point I was making about welfare is that if you want to carp about the undeserving, start at the top.
Abrignac Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 5:32 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:


The point I was making about welfare is that if you want to carp about the undeserving, start at the top.


Good, we have found common ground.
DrafterX Offline
#75 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 5:36 PM EST
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common ground on a different subject... just sayin... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 5:41 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
common ground on a different subject... just sayin... Mellow



It's a monumental achievement. Don't cloud it with reason.
Brewha Offline
#77 Posted: Wed, Nov 26 2014, 5:45 PM EST
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You forum police now Drafter? Glare
victor809 Offline
#78 Posted: Mon, Dec 15 2014, 7:50 PM EST
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/hannity-favorite-witness-40-in-wilson-grand-jury-is-a-liar-and-convicted-felon-report/

And now we have some interesting questions about the mental state of the primary witness for wilson.

Apparently she has claimed knowledge of other cases she had no connection to.... she didn't come forward until weeks after the incident... prior to coming forward she had a bunch of racist stuff on her fb page and was organizing some "pro wilson" fundraisers... and the real fun one, her reason for being in ferguson was "to meet and interact with some black people so she wouldn't call them n##rs so much" (I'm paraphrasing, but the n word is hers).

Interesting read.
wheelrite Offline
#79 Posted: Mon, Dec 15 2014, 9:20 PM EST
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Whitey sux,,,

wheel,,
DrafterX Offline
#80 Posted: Tue, Dec 16 2014, 8:13 AM EST
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sounds like doubts about her testimony were raised in front of the jury.. I wouldn't say she was the reason Wilson wasn't charged... Mellow
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#81 Posted: Tue, Dec 16 2014, 8:50 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You forum police now Drafter? Glare


If he was...have you learned NOTHING from Ferguson or from Trayvon?

Now STFU!
DrafterX Offline
#82 Posted: Tue, Dec 16 2014, 8:58 AM EST
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I've been looking for a new sap... Mellow
05busa Offline
#83 Posted: Tue, Dec 16 2014, 9:02 AM EST
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Anyone else get new bullets and a fresh TV?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#84 Posted: Tue, Dec 16 2014, 9:05 AM EST
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All I got was a hoodie.
DrafterX Offline
#85 Posted: Tue, Dec 16 2014, 9:05 AM EST
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where's mine.. Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#86 Posted: Tue, Dec 16 2014, 9:13 AM EST
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I got mine from the Kenyan King's son!
DrafterX Offline
#87 Posted: Tue, Dec 16 2014, 10:11 AM EST
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almost forgot about him... I guess there hasn't been enough outrage lately.... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#88 Posted: Wed, Dec 17 2014, 5:42 PM EST
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Yeah, we need another review of Benghazi...
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