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At least 3 black churches burned in arson fires since SC shootings.
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teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:21 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
I neither misspoke or misremembered. The irony can't be ignored. I don't believe in Karma - I'm not Buddhist.



cacman wrote:
And the Lord struck with a lightning bolt from the heavens.

Karma is a bitch.



I know
cacman Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:32 PM EST
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^^^ And don't forget I also offered "You reap what you sow."

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teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:36 PM EST
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so they do deserve it, or did something making it happen.
cacman Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:41 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
so they do deserve it, or did something making it happen.

No church 'deserves' it. Believe they are still investigating what made them happen, but 2 appear to be natural. A 3rd is suspected of electrical problems.

How about this one: Don't underestimate the power of mother-nature.
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:43 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
No church 'deserves' it. Believe they are still investigating what made them happen, but 2 appear to be natural. A 3rd is suspected of electrical problems.

How about this one: Don't underestimate the power of mother-nature.



benign and much different than karma or reap what you sew.
teedubbya Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:44 PM EST
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I take you for your word that you didn't realize the meaning of what you were saying.
cacman Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:47 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
benign and much different than karma or reap what you sew.

Right or wrong, benign or in-your-face, they're nothing more than different views or beliefs others may have.
I never said they where my own beliefs.
teedubbya Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:53 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Right or wrong, benign or in-your-face, they're nothing more than different views or beliefs others may have.
I never said they where my own beliefs.



yet you didn't represent them as someone elses. They were directly from you with nothing indicating they were not yours. I don't mind cop outs though. It allows folks with bent ideas to not own up to them which is fine by me.


you are a deek. (I'm sure someone beleives that and I'm not representing it as my own beleif)
victor809 Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:53 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
The News has reported and suggested from the beginning that somehow these fires are racially motivated because of what happened in Charleston. My outrage comes simply from labeling them as 'black churches', and playing the race card… again.

I offered a few sarcastic statements for conversation. Not once did I say they where my beliefs. In fact I did say explicitly they weren't my beliefs. I also said that I found one lightning strike to be ironic, and hope they find the arsonist(s).

Want to really get your knickers in a bind? How about "you reap what you sow'?


... umm... I'm pretty sure "predominantly black churches" has been a thing in the south for a long time. I think it started with them not being allowed to go to the "white churches" (which we white people called "church")... but I could be wrong. Since there's a history of burning black churches, I'd have to assume the definition of "black churches" is accepted. At least by anyone that's going to burn them down.

As for semantics. When one states, "karma is a bitch" one is implicitly stating that they believe in karma, and explicitly stating that they believe said karma to be a "bitch".
teedubbya Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:54 PM EST
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I appreciate plausable deniability as much as anyone, but it's even better when there is no plausable deniability yet someone still tries to use it.


Good times....good times
teedubbya Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:56 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
...

As for semantics. When one states, "karma is a bitch" one is implicitly stating that they believe in karma, and explicitly stating that they believe said karma to be a "bitch".



and applying to the subject at hand rather than some random tourette comment thrown out there with no connection to anything and possibly what someone else could be thinking LMAO
Speyside Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 1:57 PM EST
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Non-plausable deniability has entertainment value.
cacman Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 2:07 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I take you for your word that you didn't realize the meaning of what you were saying.

I knew exactly what I was saying.
What I wanted to see was the reaction and other's views.
Call me a deek. That's OK. You're entitled to your belief… just like others are entitled to theirs. That was the point.
The media pulled the race card from the beginning.
I was very clear about my beliefs.

poke, poke.
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 2:12 PM EST
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Uh huh

nice try

i think you thoughts are very clear and don't understand why you are running from them.
cacman Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 2:52 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Uh huh

nice try

i think you thoughts are very clear and don't understand why you are running from them.

I've got nothing to run from.
tonygraz Offline
#66 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 3:31 PM EST
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Leave Carl alone, he's not sure what he said or meant, and neither am I.

Glen Beck said Rick Perry prayed for the end of the drought in Texas---now he's got some real 'splainin to do.
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 5:23 PM EST
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According to #65 he has no thoughts. I think we've come to an agreement.
cacman Offline
#68 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 7:15 PM EST
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http://clashdaily.com/2015/07/that-awkward-moment-black-dude-caught-putting-racist-signs-in-front-of-black-churches/#
victor809 Offline
#69 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 7:36 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
http://clashdaily.com/2015/07/that-awkward-moment-black-dude-caught-putting-racist-signs-in-front-of-black-churches/#


Well, that solves it. A black dude in colorado put racist signs in front of black churches (I thought cacman didn't believe in "black churches"?) so any arson fire in the south must be black people doing it to themselves.

cacman has solved all racism. It's all just black people trying to make confederate flag lovers look bad.


I bet that roof guy didn't even do it. Probably a false flag operation, it was really two midget blacks in white-face and a trenchcoat. RollEyes
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#70 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 8:36 PM EST
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Noooooooooooooooooo, say it isn't so.

What was this guy doing. Obviously he didn't realize that I had already finished my statement and had run out of names to add to the "Let's fake some real ****, to try and blame everything on Whitey" list. I guess we will just have to squeeze him in there somewhere between Al Sharpton and Tawana Brawley.

Lets try Al SharptonVincentBroughtonTawana Brawley. Whew, glad that fit.

Poor Al, I bet he was just hoping it was a White He Devil. lol

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/fake-hate-black-activist-arrested-for-posting-anti-black-message-outside-black-church-video/
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#71 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 8:40 PM EST
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Ohhhhhh, my God. What are these people doing to me. Here we go again. Bare with me.



Al SharptonVincentBroughtonStephenAllsopTawana Brawley.


http://rightwingnews.com/top-news/trying-to-stir-hate-black-activist-hung-csa-flag-on-massachusetts-civil-war-monument/
victor809 Offline
#72 Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015, 11:37 PM EST
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Tell me vamtn... You keep posting these links. What do you think the odds are that those church fires which are arson are caused by a black man trying to make it look like a hate crime?

Give me a flat out number. You keep posting these links in an awfully defensive manner, as if anecdotal evidence trumps statistics.
MACS Offline
#73 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 12:00 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tell me vamtn... You keep posting these links. What do you think the odds are that those church fires which are arson are caused by a black man trying to make it look like a hate crime?

Give me a flat out number. You keep posting these links in an awfully defensive manner, as if anecdotal evidence trumps statistics.


Tell me Victor... how many of you white devils, that inwardly hate negroes... publicly do all you can to act as if the white guilt has overcome you... all the while still detesting the evil devils... post on random boards to make yourself feel superior?

Just asking. I mean... only because I'm curious. And maybe because I would like to vilify you on the internet. At a later date, of course.
victor809 Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 12:06 AM EST
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Really macs? You think my mocking vamtn for his posting of random occurrences of black people staging hate crimes as an argument that a church wasn't more likely burnt down by someone not too thrilled by blacks is my "white guilt"?

Don't you think it's more likely my amusement at mocking people for poor logic and the inability to think outside of anecdotes that would motivate me? I mean, I don't even like churches.

I'd mock people who think the highest likelihood of a store burning in a Ferguson riot was done by whte supremacists looking to pin it on blacks too... But strangely we don't have many people arguing that stance here.
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#75 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 12:25 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Really macs? You think my mocking vamtn for his posting of random occurrences of black people staging hate crimes as an argument that a church wasn't more likely burnt down by someone not too thrilled by blacks is my "white guilt"?

Don't you think it's more likely my amusement at mocking people for poor logic and the inability to think outside of anecdotes that would motivate me? I mean, I don't even like churches.

I'd mock people who think the highest likelihood of a store burning in a Ferguson riot was done by whte supremacists looking to pin it on blacks too... But strangely we don't have many people arguing that stance here.


Nope. I think you're an argumentative ****... who thinks he is intellectually superior to others.

Lemme help you. 1 - you're an argumentative ****. 2 - You're not any smarter than my 26 year old son (i'd argue my son is much more educated) My son looks up to me... and he'd mock you for being a blithering idiot... and he's a millenial.

Put that sh*t in your enlightened pipe and smoke it.
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#76 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 4:10 AM EST
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... So you're convinced that your 26 year old son who looks up to you is smarter than me. Fine. Why would I argue that point? I have no evidence of your son's intelligence or lack thereof. Hell, your son may be a genius and you just complimented me.

You should ask your son whether he thinks it's more likely any non-natural causes church was burnt down by black people trying to make white supremacists look bad, or if an arson is more likely caused by someone who doesn't like that church. Let me know the answer.
tonygraz Offline
#77 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 5:48 AM EST
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Is Macs son wheel or is he just short or is Macs tall ?
MACS Offline
#78 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 8:56 AM EST
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If you believe wheel, he's actually an inch taller than me.

I'm not agreeing with you or vamtn (the other guy)... I just got fed up seeing your arguments with everyone and decided to jump in.
teedubbya Offline
#79 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 8:59 AM EST
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My dad can beat up your dad.


And macs.........



Your apology is accepted
MACS Offline
#80 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 9:16 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
My dad can beat up your dad.


And macs.........



Your apology is accepted


Yeah... it dawned on me... I argued with a fool and now nobody can tell the difference. d'oh!

BigGrin
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#81 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 9:19 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Burned by the priest or parishioner in order to blame someone else (I'm guessing whitey here?)

It's not even possible to contemplate that a black person would be race-baiting in order to blame the white man, is it?

Be careful what you ask for.
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#82 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 9:21 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tell me vamtn... You keep posting these links. What do you think the odds are that those church fires which are arson are caused by a black man trying to make it look like a hate crime?

Give me a flat out number. You keep posting these links in an awfully defensive manner, as if anecdotal evidence trumps statistics.

50/50
bgz Offline
#83 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 11:13 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
50/50


Throw in the prime opportunity to commit insurance fraud with all the latest news floating around...

30/70
victor809 Offline
#84 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 12:06 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
It's not even possible to contemplate that a black person would be race-baiting in order to blame the white man, is it?

Be careful what you ask for.


Where did I say "not even possible". The point I've been trying to make is that it's telling when one's first example is one that is more "rube-goldbergian" than the other... It's a big big world, with millions of people. Just about every single possible thing has happened at least once. If I walk into the house and there's a pile of sh$t in the middle of the living room floor, there are a handful of possibilities... maybe the dog crapped on the floor... maybe the girlfriend crapped on the floor. Maybe someone broke into the apt, didn't take anything, and crapped on the floor. If the first conclusion I were to jump to was that it was the gf who crapped on the floor because she wanted me to think the dog did it.... well that seems like an irrational first conclusion. It would make me wonder why someone was so invested in protecting the dog.
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#85 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 12:09 PM EST
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So, some actual numbers for those waiting with bated breath.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/officials-firefighters-battling-blaze-black-church-sc-32142069?singlePage=true

Looks like in the late 90s the numbers were breaking down to 63% white to 37% black for people who torched black churches.
tonygraz Offline
#86 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 1:01 PM EST
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I'm surprised no one has tried pinning it on the godless atheists.
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#87 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 5:27 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I'm surprised no one has tried pinning it on the godless atheists.

from which side?
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#88 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 5:37 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So, some actual numbers for those waiting with bated breath.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/officials-firefighters-battling-blaze-black-church-sc-32142069?singlePage=true

Looks like in the late 90s the numbers were breaking down to 63% white to 37% black for people who torched black churches.

Another 15+ year-old survey??? Phfffft!
Businesses and a communities where being burned like last week.
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#89 Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015, 6:05 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Another 15+ year-old survey??? Phfffft!
Businesses and a communities where being burned like last week.


Statistics and reports take time to put together and analyze.
But hey, you go on making up your own information based off nothing instead of at least starting with older information. I'm sure that's always going to work out better. [eyeroll]
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#90 Posted: Sun, Jul 5 2015, 10:50 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Statistics and reports take time to put together and analyze.
But hey, you go on making up your own information based off nothing instead of at least starting with older information. I'm sure that's always going to work out better. [eyeroll]

You'd think in 15 years they would find the time to update their report!
Instead I'll rely on the current news.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/30/us/church-fires-after-charleston/index.html
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