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frankj1 Offline
#101 Posted: Fri, Feb 26 2016, 11:02 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I never google Victor's vocabulary... Not talking

I agree. Just go with it.
Brewha Offline
#102 Posted: Fri, Feb 26 2016, 11:09 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So we'll ignore the original post and twist it to suit your discussion points.

I never said anyone rejected anyone.

Here's the point in a nutshell:
The supposed haters gave Jenner less flack then the supposed embracers did.

Didn't mean to upset yours and Victors ghey-meter, but this isn't about lifestyle.


Well, if you want to characterize a whole group of people, liberals, conservatives, I hardly think isolated incident characterizes anyone. I mean it is hardly condemns liberals as a group - bad apples not withstanding.

But I reckon the crux of the biscuit is that you believe that liberals are hypocritical and probably disingenuous people. As a group. On average. Typically. So, is your point that some liberals are bad, or a that liberals are bad?
frankj1 Offline
#103 Posted: Fri, Feb 26 2016, 11:39 PM EST
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I'm a lib, I'm good. and Joe likes me.


not that way, you sickos.
tailgater Offline
#104 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 10:58 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Well, if you want to characterize a whole group of people, liberals, conservatives, I hardly think isolated incident characterizes anyone. I mean it is hardly condemns liberals as a group - bad apples not withstanding.

But I reckon the crux of the biscuit is that you believe that liberals are hypocritical and probably disingenuous people. As a group. On average. Typically. So, is your point that some liberals are bad, or a that liberals are bad?


Wow.

I didn't say, nor imply, that any one group was bad.
You tell me not to generalize, but then you post this?
tailgater Offline
#105 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 10:59 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm a lib, I'm good. and Joe likes me.


not that way, you sickos.


Blushing
frankj1 Offline
#106 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 11:25 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Blushing

I was trying to make you look good...
Brewha Offline
#107 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 12:40 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Wow.

I didn't say, nor imply, that any one group was bad.
You tell me not to generalize, but then you post this?


And on a close read, you will find that I was asking you if you really thought Liberals were bad as a group.

So I can assume that feel that liberals are as good and fine as conservatives. An if you see and incident of them acting poorly, that is just an isolated incident.

I mean some of your best friends are liberal, right?
Brewha Offline
#108 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 12:42 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I was trying to make you look good...

Frank and TG sitting in a tree.....

Angel
tailgater Offline
#109 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 1:24 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
And on a close read, you will find that I was asking you if you really thought Liberals were bad as a group.

So I can assume that feel that liberals are as good and fine as conservatives. An if you see and incident of them acting poorly, that is just an isolated incident.

I mean some of your best friends are liberal, right?


You've lost your train of thought, Brew.
Or perhaps the ability to convey said train.
Either way I'm onto next (city) subject.
tailgater Offline
#110 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 1:25 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I was trying to make you look good...


A monumental task.
frankj1 Offline
#111 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 1:47 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Frank and TG sitting in a tree.....

Angel

there ain't a tree big enough
teddyballgame Offline
#112 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 2:27 PM EST
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Just stay off the "feltching branch"...

I don't know if that is a thing and I am not googling it to find out as I had a really delicious breakfast.
victor809 Offline
#113 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 2:41 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Tell me when you're finished on this tangent so we can discuss what were earlier in the thread.



This isn't a tangent. Your theme of this post is that Jenner isn't getting crap from Republicans for being trans, but is getting crap from LGBT people for being republican.

I simply pointed out that no group, no matter how accepting the say they will be about some things, is ever accepting of all "ideas" nor should they be. It's childish to use the excuse "they are supposed to be all accepting, so they should accept this idea"... Not all ideas are good. Some are just dumb (like the idea of being accepting of all ideas, or the idea that you can get HepC from your shoes)... some are truly harmful (like the idea that one racial group is inferior to another, or that trump will make a good president). To feign shock that a group which does not say anywhere that it accepting of all ideas, would not be accepting of an idea... is disingenuous.

But you knew that going into this thread. You just wanted to argue.
teddyballgame Offline
#114 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 2:50 PM EST
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Ha!

That last line coming from a guy who says it is night, when it is day.

King of the tangental contradictions.

Your crown, your majesty....
victor809 Offline
#115 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 3:02 PM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
Ha!

That last line coming from a guy who says it is night, when it is day.

King of the tangental contradictions.

Your crown, your majesty....


You know... just to give you a heads up... if you really want to call "strawman" on an argument, you should look at post 1 of this thread.

Since you've been itching to get it right one of these times.

Edit - Given the topic of this thread, I believe a tiara is more appropriate, thank you.
tailgater Offline
#116 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 3:54 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
This isn't a tangent. Your theme of this post is that Jenner isn't getting crap from Republicans for being trans, but is getting crap from LGBT people for being republican.

I simply pointed out that no group, no matter how accepting the say they will be about some things, is ever accepting of all "ideas" nor should they be. It's childish to use the excuse "they are supposed to be all accepting, so they should accept this idea"... Not all ideas are good. Some are just dumb (like the idea of being accepting of all ideas, or the idea that you can get HepC from your shoes)... some are truly harmful (like the idea that one racial group is inferior to another, or that trump will make a good president). To feign shock that a group which does not say anywhere that it accepting of all ideas, would not be accepting of an idea... is disingenuous.

But you knew that going into this thread. You just wanted to argue.


The highlighted passage is incorrect.
Saying that the LGBT community is "all about acceptance" does not mean they accept "everything". You're seeking specificity that would make discussions boring and tedious.
And if I did mean that LGBT is ALL accepting, then I guess you thought I meant that conservative republicans don't accept anyone?

LGBT's are more likely than conservative republicans to accept outsiders.
That's a general statement. I don't mean 100% of them. I don't mean they accept EVERYTHING. You and Brewha are both stubborn and transparent on this one.
You think I was disparaging your LGBT friends.
I'm not.
I found the irony funny. And you two got splashed in the cross-streams and are angry and unreasonable in your approach to a lighthearted post.
Stop being so easily offended.
victor809 Offline
#117 Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2016, 5:31 PM EST
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I'm neither unreasonable nor angry.
You said in your first post that we hear liberals or LGBT or whoever is "more inclusive"... Then you decided to poke fun at that idea by pointing out they are not being inclusive of one being Republican.

I'm merely pointing out that your initial argument, that liberals or LGBT are supposed to be more inclusive, is too much a blanket statement to really be accurate. Without that fundamental argument in place (teddyballs strawman he's so badly wanted) the rest of the argument falls to the wayside. I don't think I had given your post much thought... Inaccurate but not really I'll intentioned... I only got involved when you wanted to dig in on the idea that libs accept anyone.
tailgater Offline
#118 Posted: Sun, Feb 28 2016, 12:45 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I'm neither unreasonable nor angry.
You said in your first post that we hear liberals or LGBT or whoever is "more inclusive"... Then you decided to poke fun at that idea by pointing out they are not being inclusive of one being Republican.

I'm merely pointing out that your initial argument, that liberals or LGBT are supposed to be more inclusive, is too much a blanket statement to really be accurate. Without that fundamental argument in place (teddyballs strawman he's so badly wanted) the rest of the argument falls to the wayside. I don't think I had given your post much thought... Inaccurate but not really I'll intentioned... I only got involved when you wanted to dig in on the idea that libs accept anyone.


Rubbish.
I make a general statement and you try to twist it to be an absolute.
When I call you out, you retreat and say simply that it's not accurate? As if "blanket statements" are inaccurate by their very nature?
Tell me which part is not accurate.
I think the general stereotype of the LGBT community is one of much greater acceptance than that of the conservative republicans. Doesn't mean it's true for every issue every time, but the label exists. If you think it's inaccurate fine.
I don't think you do. You're just crying because somebody mentioned LGBT in a negative light (albeit only slightly so).
Brewha Offline
#119 Posted: Sun, Feb 28 2016, 1:39 PM EST
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Poor Jenner.....
victor809 Offline
#120 Posted: Sun, Feb 28 2016, 4:02 PM EST
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Tail.. Stop backtracking. Look back in the conversation. I didn't bother coming in to this until you were seriously doubling down on your whole "libs have to accept everyone or their hypocrites schtick".

You use phrases like " criticism is verboten", "preaches acceptance above all else", " intense hypocrisy "...
Your theme may have started as a bit of irony, but somewhere along the line you lost sight of that and decided you had to defend a position that liberals MUST be accepting of every stupid idea any person has. That's when I started disagreeing with you, mainly because that was a concept I had thought about (granted I thought about it in 8th grade... But some people are slower than others)... (I kid... I kid, I like you even if you're slow). (Nah.. I'm still kidding... You're momma's special little boy)...

tailgater Offline
#121 Posted: Sun, Feb 28 2016, 7:59 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tail.. Stop backtracking. Look back in the conversation. I didn't bother coming in to this until you were seriously doubling down on your whole "libs have to accept everyone or their hypocrites schtick".

You use phrases like " criticism is verboten", "preaches acceptance above all else", " intense hypocrisy "...
Your theme may have started as a bit of irony, but somewhere along the line you lost sight of that and decided you had to defend a position that liberals MUST be accepting of every stupid idea any person has. That's when I started disagreeing with you, mainly because that was a concept I had thought about (granted I thought about it in 8th grade... But some people are slower than others)... (I kid... I kid, I like you even if you're slow). (Nah.. I'm still kidding... You're momma's special little boy)...



You're correct, but it seems you don't understand the progression that discourse takes.
It's also why I purposely went back to the beginning, but even after I restated my intent you felt obligated to lash out. Because of the subject matter.
Like you're the LGBT knight in shining armor.

Curses!
Foiled again.
Brewha Offline
#122 Posted: Sun, Feb 28 2016, 8:49 PM EST
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I feel it is only fair to point something out, as my irony detector seems to be working again.

Victor, as a noted liberal, is lambasting your for your social and political views....and in a surrealistic way bolstering your original point - not that I am entirely sure what that point was....
victor809 Offline
#123 Posted: Sun, Feb 28 2016, 8:56 PM EST
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Hang on... Who you calling a liberal, Willis?
Brewha Offline
#124 Posted: Sun, Feb 28 2016, 9:21 PM EST
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That's what I heard...and stuff.
dkeage Offline
#125 Posted: Sun, Feb 28 2016, 9:27 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
That's what I heard...and stuff.

I thought the word was contrarian? Think
Covfireman Offline
#126 Posted: Sun, Feb 28 2016, 10:38 PM EST
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I thought it ended in hole . At least that's what tailgater told me .
tailgater Offline
#127 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 8:07 AM EST
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Covfireman wrote:
I thought it ended in hole .


See what happens when you try to think?
tailgater Offline
#128 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 8:07 AM EST
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dkeage wrote:
I thought the word was contrarian? Think


Contrarian?
Is that a female librarian?
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#129 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 8:25 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Hang on... Who you calling a liberal, Willis?



Hey...that's MY title!


At least nowadays it is.
frankj1 Offline
#130 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 8:46 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Hey...that's MY title!


At least nowadays it is.

still cracks me up
teedubbya Offline
#131 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 8:59 AM EST
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I always knew dmv was a commie lib
teddyballgame Offline
#132 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 12:39 PM EST
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dkeage wrote:
I thought the word was contrarian? Think




It is like that Monty Python skit, when the guy comes in and pays for an argument, but ends up in a room where the guy is just giving him contradiction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c
Speyside Offline
#133 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 2:52 PM EST
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I thought he was more of a liberal communist.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#134 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 4:30 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I always knew dmv was a commie lib



Can you imagine if Rick popped his head in here and saw these fools calling me that?
Speyside Offline
#135 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 4:57 PM EST
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It certainly would give him a good laugh.
frankj1 Offline
#136 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 5:18 PM EST
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poor Rick
Brewha Offline
#137 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 6:09 PM EST
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Mama said there'd be days like this....
Speyside Offline
#138 Posted: Mon, Feb 29 2016, 6:27 PM EST
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Anyone hear from Rick recently?
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