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The real problem is that they still have access to those guns. That’s what the black market is all about. All someone needs is a 3D printer capable of printing rifles and the blueprints. They can kick out as many AR-15’s, AK’s and AR-10’s as they want, and none of them will have a serial number.

And reduce the total amount of guns on the street probably.
Hey, I understand/sympathize with law-abiding gun owners and their frustration.

I posted this in another thread but it's relevant here I think:
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws."
Plato.

But that doesn't mean we don't need laws. Most laws are common sense guidelines. We all pick and choose which ones are going to apply to us and which are BS. I don't always signal when I change lanes. But if I got busted for not signaling more often, maybe I might.
Criminals with guns being should be given longer harsher sentences.
That might send a message.

I f the death penalty is not a deterrent, how would this be........these enhancements are already in place if I'm reading this correctly.....Sentencing for the Possession or Use of Firearms During a Crime
Possible Commission Responses to Pub. L. No. 105-386 and Other Issues Pertaining to 18 U.S.C. § 924(c)


https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research/working-group-reports/firearms/20000106-use-firearms-during-crime/firearms.pdf

Pretty sure Trump said he was going to reopen the mental homes.. the reason this last dude was able to kill was because the system failed.. not because there wasn't enough laws..

Really? How many legally purchased guns are "on the street"?



Really? Doesn't sound it. Not at all.
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Frank have you ever researched just how many people have been killed with an *assault rifle*? Very, very, very few. SO in the grand scheme of things what does banning them really accomplish?

On average, it they were not available, a very big if, then on average over the last twenty years, perhaps 10 lives would be saved. Is this really worth as much political weight as is given?







edit: yes I mean only 10 or so. Many people shot with these types of rifles were single victim incidents. They could have been shot and killed with anything including a 6 shot revolver with only 1 round in the cylinder.

Most people who have killed multiple people with firearms were proficient with them. Whether they had 1 17 round magazine or 3 seven round magazines, they could have killed as many people. It takes less than 2 seconds for someone who is proficient to eject an empty semi auto handgun magazine, insert a full one and rack back the slide.

It's not that the NRA doesn't value life, it's the fact that they know such legislation will not save a single life.

At some point, there will be dialogue about what actually causes loss of the lives gun control advocates speak of.

Hi Anth

I'm deliberately avoiding being specific about banning any particular weapon. I don't even know for sure that I'd support banning "assault" rifles. I'm really wrestling with the subject and will be tough to pin down as my opinion is still evolving.

However, I am questioning the interpretation of the second amendment by NRA/ absolutists...and in light of that I'm now asking why then are they only speaking of guns? Why are not all arms considered covered by the "right to bear arms"?

I suspect it is because most of our society is actually rational and reasonable, and there would be consensus against weapons such as nukes etc. But are nukes and the like only excluded because they are not guns? Or are they considered excessively dangerous in the wrong hands? I'm asking, that's all.

I don't know why this right has been interpreted as limited to guns...especially if the Framers intended for the citizens to have equal access to the firepower of their government. Which is no longer remotely plausible.

But there is one thing about which I will not waver: the right to Life outweighs any other, and all would be moot points if we can not find ways to protect that.

Less than 10 citizens have been killed on US soil by nukes used by fellow citizens. Should we legalize them based on that?

Don't answer such an obviously provocative question, but just give it some thought.

Very possible

12 gauge 000 buckshot has 9 pellets per round. Fired through a short barrel, the pattern will fan out pretty quickly.

In a pump shotgun, most people can launch 45 projectiles in about 5 seconds.

You and I would have one helluva good time working on this. And no blood would be spilled.

Frank drinks his with a nipple.

nope, I'm pretty sure he just likes a nice nipple chaser

but what that nipple is attached to...whoa!

yeah, that's yours!

What ever happened to the Dice Man?

Man, can you imagine listening to him, or Lenny Bruce go off on SJW'S.