usafvet509 wrote:Again with the "popular vote" moneyshot. And how.mamy dead/illegal people were included in that 3 million load? And for another thing, turbo, The US is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not a gawddamn democracy. Out*****ingstanding comprehension, skippy.
Seems, around 30.
"The partisan battle lines are firmly drawn. Trump claims he wouldn’t have lost to Clinton if not for "millions of people who voted illegally." Though nobody says U.S. elections are completely immune from improper voting, widespread fraud at the scale Trump has suggested lacks substantiation. A report by the Brennan Center for Justice, analyzing information from jurisdictions with the highest populations of non-citizens, found that of 23.5 million votes cast, election officials referred about 30 incidents of suspected non-citizen voting for investigation or prosecution. The Heritage Foundation, which considers voting fraud a more serious problem, has counted 848 criminal convictions for voting fraud from the 1980s to present.
6. Where do Trump’s allegations come from?
The notion that 3 million or more votes were cast by non-citizens was put forth a week after the November 2016 election in Twitter posts by Gregg Phillips, a conservative activist who was little-known until Trump tweeted his claim. Phillips hasn’t produced any evidence to back it up. Trump and his first press secretary, Sean Spicer, also cited a 2014 study published in the journal Electoral Studies and a 2012 report by the Pew Center on the States. But authors of both reports challenged how the Trump White House presented their findings.
7. Why did the commission answer to Trump personally?
Unlike, say, the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (an independent government office that Republicans would like to close), or the 9/11 Commission (created and appointed jointly by President George W. Bush and Congress), the voter-integrity commission was created by Trump in a May 11 executive order. Trump appointed all 12 members.
8. Was the commission viewed as credible?
Not in some quarters. Some of Trump’s appointees "have a record of making exaggerated and/or baseless claims about voter fraud, and/or have implemented or supported policies that have unlawfully disenfranchised voters," the ACLU said in a lawsuit. Kobach introduced new citizenship-documentation requirements for Kansans wishing to register to vote. Other members of the committee include Hans von Spakovsky, a longtime advocate for stricter voter identification laws, and Ken Blackwell, former Ohio Secretary of State, who drew criticism in 2004 for rejecting votes made on paper he said was not the correct weight.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-04/why-trump-s-hunt-for-fake-votes-ended-in-whimper-quicktake-q-a
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Regarding constitutional republic vs democracy:
Excerpt from;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0812e4b0223d
"I often hear people argue that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. But that’s a false dichotomy. A common definition of “republic” is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, “A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them” — we are that. A common definition of “democracy” is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives” — we are that, too.
The United States is not a direct democracy, in the sense of a country in which laws (and other government decisions) are made predominantly by majority vote. Some lawmaking is done this way, on the state and local levels, but it’s only a tiny fraction of all lawmaking. But we are a representative democracy, which is a form of democracy.
And indeed the American form of government has been called a “democracy” by leading American statesmen and legal commentators from the Framing on. It’s true that some Framing-era commentators made arguments that distinguished “democracy” and “republic”; see, for instance, The Federalist (No. 10), though even that first draws the distinction between “pure democracy” and a “republic,” only later just saying “democracy.” But even in that era, “representative democracy” was understood as a form of democracy, alongside “pure democracy”: John Adams used the term “representative democracy” in 1794; so did Noah Webster in 1785; so did St. George Tucker in his 1803 edition of Blackstone; so did Thomas Jefferson in 1815. Tucker’s Blackstone likewise uses “democracy” to describe a representative democracy, even when the qualifier “representative” is omitted.
Yeah, so listen, if you think I'm here trying to educate people, that's YOU projecting dude.
I'm just having fun. Educating? never crossed my mind. Just typing here.
And if you think repeating "3,000,000 votes" is more of the tired bs from the left then you'll have to concede that 'lock her up' and 'build that wall', still getting air time, are deeply embedded, through repetition, in lots of folks' heads out there.....
You sound like a Tea Party Patriot. Right?
Anyway, relax! Damn!