frankj1 wrote:Yet all of this was addressed in the report, and the report was undertaken by a theoretically nonpartisan fellow hand picked by Trump to determine if the investigation was based on sham stuff...Horowitz does take the FBI to task, but that seems to be what the cons are clinging to while ignoring the main course of the meal...which says the deal was legal and legit.
Pretty clear that Horowitz is putting the fake distractions of spying, Strock, Steele, Deep State claims and more to rest.
If we could ignore which team we root for, wouldn't you be outraged that the guy being looked into who also wields the most power, has his personal henchman aka the AG join him in trashing every law department in the USA way ahead of time in order to discredit what he already knew would be discovered in order to sway the public? And calling it trashing is being polite, cuz I am.
And other than the enjoyment we get here to freely say what we think, the Senate will do exactly what we knew all along.
So this is pretty much an exhibition game for us. You'll win. I know this too.
I'd have preferred ousting Trump in the next election, I still plan to vote 3rd party, and I wish he had been censured instead of impeached.
All while Obama and Biden runabout talking about their administration being "scandal free". What they did to reporters, weaponizing the IRS, running guns on multiple continents, gifting taxpayer money for "shovel ready" or "green" donors whom would in turn take millions and file bankruptcy and now this attempted coup.
For you to gloss over it to be addressed is pretty petty. Crimes were committed. We're just now finding out how bad the Obama Administration operated. Weaponizing the AG, the CIA, NSA, FBI and all the usual media sources to overturn an election? To claim there was no fraud by foreign governments? Sullying Carter Page's name and career so they could infiltrate an opponents campaign. Taking the "fruit of the poisoned tree" and imprisoning Michael Flynn, a 33 year career military man that they had admitted didn't lie for lying so they wouldn't take his family down. The director of the FBI falsified the Steele craptastic opposition "research" that was mostly funded by the unmentioned DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign. He made it "VERIFIED" when in fact, they didn't conduct any investigation into it at all so they could use this to obtain a FISA warrant (and had it resubmitted with the same lies 3 more times!). It fit their narrative and they had to act fast. All this hurrying around exposed the multiple agencies for what they did as well. What really got me was the way it was all done and denied in concerted effort. Shouting down the messenger doesn't dilute the message. They sent Paul Mannafort to prison through wiretaps. You can't explain it away. It started back in 2014 and that's before Trump won the election.
With the manner the House decided to behave with their Schiff Show for all to witness and the following Nadler Nod Off it's no wonder the masses don't understand what has been going on and whom to believe. Every accusation tossed against Trump has almost always been categorically been proven false and interchangeably replaced with a DNC bad actor. The hearing were a farce to Justice. Not allowing the President to cross-examine witnesses, to provide his own...what kind of kangaroo court is this? So I can understand how you come up with the "I'll win" remark. I take it as a WE win though. We get to see the real proof and hear from the mouthes of the accusers in open court. I suspect the GOP won't don't a long drawn out session like I want. Keep this going and find out how high it climbs, but we already know it's on Obama's shoulders. FISA court doesn't operate like a "normal" court and we saw the smug lying **** Comey for what he really is. He should be tried for Treason. Same for Brennan. There should be prison time for a slew of characters that pushed the narrative and peddled it. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play.
Horowitz didn't excuse nor deny any of this in his report either. You have to take into account the area he was allowed to investigate. It was quite narrow and diminutive. While Comey was out taking more victory laps exclaiming "EXONERATION", The IG of the Department of Justice said, “The activities we found here don’t vindicate anybody who touched this”. To backdrop and fully understand Horowitz, Sen Graham lays out the entire matter here.
https://youtu.be/q0l5VpTqjRs
When the AG concludes his report I fully expect people to be revolted at the manner in which Obama weaponized it all to save his legacy, promote his failed policies and profit from it. The Democrats have once again overplayed their hand. This impeachment is a wet pants load of crap. We were all lead to believe it was about "Russia, Russia, Russia" and bribery and High Crimes and Misdemeanors. All I've seen them produce is a bunch of butthurtfeeleyomah and poor acting. If there was a crime then it would be clearly detailed. It is not. Obstruction of Congress? He's the President and the head of the Executive Branch. It cannot be obstruction and he doesn't have to kowtow to the whims of a do nothing Congress. He can employ Executive Privilege like it has ALWAYS been done. The Dems overreached by not allowing the hearings to be open and fair by allowing the opposing side to bring in their witnesses and evidence. It was a railroad job with Pelosi at the controls and the media keeping it all on track. I can only hope the Senate does a better job. Even today I read where Upchuck Schumer wants this and wants that all under the guise of "fair". Where was he the last few weeks with that kinda talk? Who wins in all of this? Nobody. The Dems stated that if they had the House they'd do the bidding of Americans. Instead it's been a blinders on, one track ride to this. Impeachment.
I didn't vote for Trump in the last election. I didn't have faith in the guy. for the 1st time in my life I didn't vote for a President. I cannot wait to vote for him now. There is a groundswell of people like me too. A recent poll (I know I know...polls) have found anywhere from a 16 to 30% increase in the Black vote for Trump. The #WALKAWAY movement is real. Only the tip of the "iceberg" is showing. The basket of Deplorables is growing. The DNC candidates don't show any forward thinking or rational thought. It's a collective of laughter. Obama sucked all of the life out of the party and gave nothing back. No new fresh face. No new plank to run on. No legislation ushered in that they championed and ironed through. No, it's too late for all sensibility. Censure or Impeachment. All things that should've been talked about with reverence to the Constitution. Instead that process has been weaponized to a new low where retribution is all but a certainty without question. There's no winning in any of this.
None.