it was after curfew tho... they shouldn't have been there at all.... but i guess it's ok to break the law as long as it's done peacefully right..??

That’s a fact. He said what he would do and he did it. It was simply fortuitous that the protesters turned to rioters on cue.

Up with curfews down with masks.

Seeing more bishops denouncing the actions and photo op.

I guess if he had gone to the local mosque and held a Koran you guys would feel better about it....

To be fair he probably was just doing as told. Then due to the bad press gassed protestors to do the weird tough guy routine in front of the church without telling or consulting the church or praying with them. He never really acknowledged them.

As for lead flying has mr bone spur ever had experience with that even on a range?

absolutely not...

just as they will not admit that they leaned too heavily on Colin Kaepernick...who happened to be a few years early with his protest of social injustice and police brutality

that's not the way to look at it...

he was speaking out, using his place in the national spotlight...protesting...drawing attention publicly to social injustice, especially by police, towards blacks as a national issue....and being criticized constantly, especially by cons and on con media...

Kaepernick's kneeling became a divisive symbol and another chasm in our culture...even Trump weighed in, saying the owners should "fire those sonsabitches"...

now there are pictures and videos of white and black leaders of local governments, mayors, governors, police chiefs and law enforcement officers throughout the nation, kneeling in solidarity with members of the public...in furtherance of the message from George Floyd's awful and disturbing public death: police brutality and social injustice towards minorities in America must stop.

I felt the answers were obvious so ignored the questioning.

Lived through similar circa 1970 Viet Nam peaceful protests. Government and LE agencies infiltrated in attempts to make it look violent...hence my previous post(s) noting Tommy The Traveler.

Spoiler alert: the Viet Nam era protesters were correct and effected positive change.
Makes ya love America.

Not me...I hope they have video of the ones who are responsible and throw the book at them...the place is historically significant, having been the place for POTUS throughout two centuries to worship, pray, reflect and receive comfort...

what upsets me, so this is me only, is that Trump made no effort to check with the priests and Church staff to see if they were OK, to acknowledge the damage that was inflicted upon their house...it seemed so impersonal, as if there was nobody of any significance in the church to share a moment of humanity...it felt like the only significance of the Church that was important to the POTUS was to hold up a Bible in front of a church, any church that was close, so that he could make a speech about restoring order by turning the US military on the American people, and that God was on his side...that was the closest church...

but first, AG Bill Barr ordered the DOJ to clear the park so Trump and his party can walk the block there from the WH ..so the WH and Secret Service Police cleared out the sitting peaceful protesters with shields and batons, smoke bombs, flash bangs and tear gas and by mounted police on horses...

imho that's what that looked like: clear out the human rubble so I can make a speech in front of the church next door, holding a Bible...

Trump hid in a bunker???

I did Nazi that coming.

I'm jelling

No... it really isn't.

I'm a little hazy on that time frame.

Potus' testicular fortitude in strolling through his front yard and crossing his street to church has really offended the delicate sensibilities of arsonists, vandals and Democrats. Awww, poor poor fellas.

I see it through a different lens. By walking there with his feet he actually did something tangible in a spiritual sense that few here can grasp. I don't even think he himself understood the thing he was accomplishing. He honored the eternal word of God in the midst of Godlessness, he honored the symbolic church history of our country in the middle of it being attacked & abandoned, no agenda, no speech, nothing but walk it out. Profound but lost on the blind (& prolly him too)
Meanwhile mobs of lost souls wonder aimlessly with their feet to destroy, rob and kill.
Let him who has ears to hear...

Wow...helluva take and a helluva stretch to get there. I saw a semi-sentient pile of excrement schlepping to a place it was unwanted, unneeded, and doing nothing but causing misery and yet more divisiveness due to being embarrassed at being labeled as weak for hiding in a bunker like a coward. Smearing it's particularly foul brand of feces on a house of worship and causing harm to the people there that were providing comfort to those in need. You might want to get those lenses checked. Or don't. Doesn't really make any difference to me as I don't have to look in your mirror.

"by walking there with his feet" Isn't it amazing how much better bone spurs get when there's no wartime draft. Can't believe how incredibly stupid you actually are, tho a good indication came early when I saw your forum name on the CBID auctions. And you never thanked me for raising the prices on some of the auctions you were bidding on. Do you post with your trumpybear on your lap.

Lol. I knew it. A writer for the onion. Good one.

I’m pretty sure the curfew started a few minutes before it happened and the curfew was 7 or something like that. That’s just from watching it live and hearing the curfew started soon. I’ll look.

The whole thing is starting to look worse given the tactics used and the rhetoric used beforehand. Milley And Esper should resign.

And lol at Trump claiming he went to the bunker to inspect it. Some will believe this very small man.it was retaliatory strongman **** because he looked weak going to the bunker. No more no less.

Do you have a problem that the media mocked him over it? Or that his statement was simply in reaction to their statements?

Personally I have a problem with all of it... But the president is elected and the media is just a group of douches hell bent on taking down this president...

NPR

'He Did Not Pray': Fallout Grows From Trump's Photo-Op At St. John's Church
June 2, 202010:29 AM ET

President Trump's photo opportunity in front of St. John's Episcopal church in Washington has set off criticism, as law enforcement used tear gas and force to clear a path for him to walk from the White House.
Tom Brenner/Reuters

President Trump's controversial foray to St. John's Church on Monday is generating widespread criticism, after police and National Guard troops physically cleared out demonstrators, using tear gas, to allow a photo opportunity outside the church. The bishop who oversees St. John's is among the critics.

"He used violent means to ask to be escorted across the park into the courtyard of the church," Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington tells NPR's Morning Edition. "He held up his Bible after speaking [an] inflammatory militarized approach to the wounds of our nation."

"He did not pray," the bishop continued.

"He did not offer a word of balm or condolence to those who are grieving. He did not seek to unify the country, but rather he used our symbols and our sacred space as a way to reinforce a message that is antithetical to everything that the person of Jesus, whom we follow, and the gospel texts that we strive to emulate ... represent."

Every president since James Madison has visited St. John's Church, which opened in 1816 and sits across the park from the White House. Despite that longstanding relationship, Budde says her diocese had no warning of Monday's visit.

"There was no reaching out, no sense that it would require some sort of authorization before using the church as a backdrop in that way," Budde told NPR's Tom Gjelten hours after the incident.

The president had used the Bible, and her church, as a prop, she said.

"I was outraged that he felt that he had the license to do that, and that he would abuse our sacred symbols and our sacred space in that way," the bishop told Gjelten.

Within hours, the White House had assembled footage of the brief outing into a triumphant video that shows the president pumping his fist as he strides past a row of riot police, culminating in him standing in front of the church. Set to swelling orchestral music, the video shows nearly no sign of the destruction and debris that days of intense protests have wrought near the White House.

The president, accompanied by his daughter Ivanka, several Cabinet members and Secret Service agents, walked to St. John's a few minutes after Washington's just-installed 7 p.m. curfew began.

The federal force used against the demonstrators nearly 30 minutes before the curfew began incensed Mayor Muriel Bowser. "Shameful!" Bowser said via Twitter, saying that after "federal police used munitions on peaceful protestors in front of the White House," the city's police force's job of keeping the peace would be made more difficult.

When the federal force rushed at protesters outside the White House, journalists were also pushed out. Officers attacked Australian reporter Amelia Brace and also hit cameraman Tim Myers, prompting Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison to call for an investigation. The scene played out on live TV, during Australia's breakfast-time Sunrise show.

"While live on air, Myers was struck in the chest by a riot shield and Brace was clubbed with a police baton," Australia's 7NEWS reports.


Brace tells Australia's ABC that she repeatedly identified herself as a journalist as officers quickly closed in on them during the rush to clear a path for Trump.

"Despite that as I ran away, clearly stating that we were media, with my cameraman with a camera on his shoulders, I was hit across the back with the baton," she says. "We were then fired upon by the National Guard with those rubber bullets, who are the exact people I had shown my media pass to ... and then we ended up getting tear-gassed."

The situation, she said, was "absolutely terrifying."

'Trump Says He'll Deploy Military To States If They Don't Stop Violent Protests
"I also managed to get a rubber bullet to the backside, and Tim got one in the back of the neck, so we'll have a few bruises tomorrow — but we're feeling perfectly safe," Brace says.

Shock and anger over the incident led U.S. Ambassador to Australia Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr. to issue a statement saying, "Freedom of the press is a right Australians and Americans hold dear. We take mistreatment of journalists seriously, as do all who take democracy seriously."

Trump's use of force to allow him to walk across the park has also prompted Arlington County, Va., to pull its police officers out of the nation's capital.

The county had sent a police contingent to help keep peace in Washington. But it says the officers were put in a dangerous position that exposed them and others to risk "for a purpose not worthy of our mutual aid obligations."

"All ACPD officers left the District of Columbia at 8:30 p.m. Monday," Arlington County says.

The church has suffered damage during the unrest in Washington against police violence, including a fire that was lit in its basement. While Budde is thankful to first responders who put out that fire, she says she wants the focus remain on the death of George Floyd and others who have died at the hands of police.

"I want to acknowledge the loss of property, but in no way equate it with the loss of life," she said. "I want to be a church that stands in solidarity with those who are making peaceful protest."

I think it could've been interpreted as strength had the crackdown coincided with the actual violence the protesters had shown the night before...

Instead, they waited 24 hours assuming the same violence would occur... It didn't, but the press conference was already started and the plans were already in place...

So they pulled the rip cord... But they were already on the pavement... And when you pull the rip cord on the ground you only have 2 choices... You can say oops or you can spread your arms and pretend to fly...

And now what we've got is a wounded duck standing in a Wal-Mart parking lot who thinks he's an eagle soaring above an Alaskan forest...