wheelrite
15 years ago
AP: Pa. abortion doc killed 7 babies with scissors



Jan 19, 2:13 PM (ET)
By PATRICK WALTERS

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - A doctor who provided abortions for minorities, immigrants and poor women in a "house of horrors" clinic has been charged with eight counts of murder in the deaths of a patient and seven babies who were born alive and then killed with scissors, prosecutors said Wednesday.

Dr. Kermit Gosnell, 69, made millions of dollars over 30 years, performing as many illegal, late-term abortions as he could, prosecutors said. State regulators ignored complaints about him and failed to inspect his clinic since 1993, but no charges were warranted against them given time limits and existing law, District Attorney Seth Williams said. Nine of Gosnell's employees also were charged.

Gosnell "induced labor, forced the live birth of viable babies in the sixth, seventh, eighth month of pregnancy and then killed those babies by cutting into the back of the neck with scissors and severing their spinal cord," Williams said.

Patients were subjected to squalid and barbaric conditions at Gosnell's Women's Medical Society, where Gosnell performed dozens of abortions a day, prosecutors said. He mostly worked overnight hours after his untrained staff administered drugs to induce labor during the day, they said.

Early last year, authorities went to investigate drug-related complaints at the clinic and stumbled on what Williams called a "house of horrors."

Bags and bottles holding aborted fetuses "were scattered throughout the building," Williams said. "There were jars, lining shelves, with severed feet that he kept for no medical purpose."

The clinic was shut down and Gosnell's medical license was suspended after the raid.

Gosnell and four workers were charged with murder, while five others were charged with controlled drug violations and other crimes. None of the employees had any medical training, and one, a high school student, performed intravenous anesthesia with potentially lethal narcotics, Williams said.

All 10 defendants were taken into custody, authorities said.

Two listed numbers for Gosnell in Philadelphia have been disconnected. Defense lawyer William J. Brennan, who represented Gosnell during the investigation, noted that the doctor served patients in a low-income city neighborhood for decades.

"Obviously, these allegations are very, very serious," Brennan said.

The grand jury said the woman who died was a patient who came to Gosnell's clinic for an abortion and died of cardiac arrest because she was given too much Demerol. Gosnell wasn't at the clinic at the time, but directed his staff to administer the drug to keep the woman, a healthy 41-year-old woman, sedated until he arrived, prosecutors said.

Gosnell has been named in at least 46 malpractice suits, including one over the death of a 22-year-old mother who died of sepsis and a perforated uterus in 2000. Many others also involve perforated uteruses. Gosnell sometimes sewed up the injury without telling women their uteruses had been perforated, prosecutors said.

Gosnell charged $325 for first-trimester abortions and $1,600 to $3,000 for abortions up to 30 weeks. Abortions are legal up to 24 weeks gestation in Pennsylvania, although most doctors won't perform them after 20 weeks, prosecutors said.

Some women came from across the mid-Atlantic for the illegal late-term abortions, authorities said. White women from the suburbs were ushered into a separate, slightly cleaner area because Gosnell believed they were more likely to file complaints, Williams said.

"People knew near and far that if you needed a late-term abortion you could go see Dr. Gosnell," Williams said.

Few if any of the sedated women knew their babies were born alive and then killed, prosecutors said. Many were first-time mothers who were told they were 24 weeks pregnant, even if they were further along, authorities said.

Gosnell got his medical degree from Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia and is board certified in family practice. He started, but did not finish, a residency in obstetrics-gynecology, authorities said.

"He does not know how to do an abortion. He's not board certified," Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore said. "Once he got them there, he saw dollar signs and did abortions that other people wouldn't do."






Pro choice is a nice way of saying slaughter..

wheel,
jackconrad
15 years ago
I saw this , it was so awful i didn't even wan't to post it..
daveincincy
15 years ago
ABORTIONS ARE BIG BUSINESS!!!
wheelrite
15 years ago

I saw this , it was so awful i didn't even wan't to post it..

jackconrad wrote:



Jack it horriffied me as well.

But,I belive this sort of thing takes place all the time and is ignored...


wheel,
ryancuad
15 years ago
i agree this is completely heinous. However, many americans believe that if you abort the fetus just a few weeks earlier, and kill it through lethal injection rather than cutting its spinal cord, that is ok and not heinous? riiiight... Whatever makes you feel better after murdering a child, usually because of your own selfishness...
DadZilla3
15 years ago
I wouldn't be surprised if a sizable percentage of the people who consider abortion a woman's 'choice' and not murder, also consider the death penalty to be 'cruel and unusual punishment' and call for it to be banned.
Gene363
15 years ago

Someday, perhaps, we will be civilized, for now we are barbarians. [-(

wheelrite
15 years ago

I wouldn't be surprised if a sizable percentage of the people who consider abortion a woman's 'choice' and not murder, also consider the death penalty to be 'cruel and unusual punishment' and call for it to be banned.

DadZilla3 wrote:



I'm an, anti abortion,anti death penalty,conservative...
tonyt722
15 years ago
This sick f*ck needs his spinal cord severed with a pair of dull scissors, only after being tortured with some of his own instruments.
SteveS
15 years ago
One day, some years back, MrsS told me she'd been to the doctor that day and that despite our thinking that we knew what was causing us to have children and had taken some precaution to limit our family to the 3 children we already had, that "SURPRISE" ... there was a fourth on the way ... she said that the doctor had offered to perform an abortion if it were inconvenient for us to have another, but that even without talking to me, she had declined his offer ... said she couldn't do that, even if I were in favor of it .... we'd never discussed this issue, so she didn't really know what to expect me to say next, but I said that I agreed with her ... that even if she had been in favor, I'd have tried to talk her out of it ...

I cannot begin to fully express myself regarding the joy that decision has ultimately brought us ... oh, sure, there were bumps in the road helping him navigate through his teen years, but he is now a very successful adult and is the parent of the brightest and most happy little girl it's ever been my pleasure to be around ... she is absolutely one of the lights of our lives ...

I was unable to read the entire story above ... I may be a bit unexpressive in my emotions at times, but this is a subject that literally brings me to tears ... neither MtrsS or I do any active campaigning on this subject and we don't offer unasked for advise to anyone else, but if the subject comes up, I tell our story ...

Inconvenient?????? WTF does that mean??? unless a couple is actively hoping to have a child, it is rarely, if ever, seen as being convenient .... few among us has the surplus of means to add to the size of our families without feeling at least a bit of a pinch ... IMO, the doctor should have been offerng this sort of advise and only agreeing to perform the abortion if we were strongly and solidly in favor ....
borndead1
15 years ago

I wouldn't be surprised if a sizable percentage of the people who consider abortion a woman's 'choice' and not murder, also consider the death penalty to be 'cruel and unusual punishment' and call for it to be banned.

DadZilla3 wrote:



And vice versa...anti-abortionists who are pro-death penalty. They're both murder IMO.
wheelrite
15 years ago
I wonder where our resident Libs are and their rationalization of this autocity ?
tailgater
15 years ago

I wonder where our resident Libs are and their rationalization of this autocity ?

wheelrite wrote:



I don't think anyone who posts here, liberal or not, would try to rationalize this.
Unless I'm proven wrong, it's unfair to suggest that they would.
wheelrite
15 years ago

I don't think anyone who posts here, liberal or not, would try to rationalize this.
Unless I'm proven wrong, it's unfair to suggest that they would.

tailgater wrote:



Here's the deal,,

Planned Parenthood would have most people think that abortion is an antiseptic ,no big deal procedure,like having a tooth filled.

It is a grisly,inhumane and disgusting heinous act.

Stray dogs are teated better than the yet to be born..


wheel,,
tailgater
15 years ago

And vice versa...anti-abortionists who are pro-death penalty. They're both murder IMO.

borndead1 wrote:



I am against the act of abortion, but I whole-heartedly support capital punsishment.
Although both are "murder", the comparison is short sighted at best.

Let's take a look at the two:
Abortion kills an innocent life.
Abortions are performed daily, in every town, and without a court of laws or a long decision process.
Abortions aren't delayed for decades so the lawyers can work the system.
Abortions aren't stopped by governors, yet the decision is just as permanent as flipping the switch.
The only "crime" the aborted child committed was to begin their life at an inconvenient time for their would be mother.
People fight to make abortions easier to get. Even to have minors make the choice without adult consent.
Abortions are often performed in secret, so even the would-be fatehr is out of the loop.
And if someone has a last minute decision to avert an abortion, the world will likely be a little richer for the change in heart.

In today's age of iron clad DNA evidence, the death penalty is the exact opposite of each point listed above.

The two acts are mutually exclusive.
daveincincy
15 years ago
I don't know a whole lot about Planned Parenthood, but I think it's a joke. There's more money to be made in "suggesting" (i.e. selling) someone on having an abortion rather than trying to counsel them out of it. I can imagine that someone considering an abortion might be given a long list of reasons on why to have an abortion, while the list for not having an abortion is probably rather small. ...the doctor can see you tomorrow...
wheelrite
15 years ago

I am against the act of abortion, but I whole-heartedly support capital punsishment.
Although both are "murder", the comparison is short sighted at best.

Let's take a look at the two:
Abortion kills an innocent life.
Abortions are performed daily, in every town, and without a court of laws or a long decision process.
Abortions aren't delayed for decades so the lawyers can work the system.
Abortions aren't stopped by governors, yet the decision is just as permanent as flipping the switch.
The only "crime" the aborted child committed was to begin their life at an inconvenient time for their would be mother.
People fight to make abortions easier to get. Even to have minors make the choice without adult consent.
Abortions are often performed in secret, so even the would-be fatehr is out of the loop.
And if someone has a last minute decision to avert an abortion, the world will likely be a little richer for the change in heart.

In today's age of iron clad DNA evidence, the death penalty is the exact opposite of each point listed above.

The two acts are mutually exclusive.

tailgater wrote:





Other than self defense the taking of another human life is never justified,NEVER...
tailgater
15 years ago

Here's the deal,,

Planned Parenthood would have most people think that abortion is an antiseptic ,no big deal procedure,like having a tooth filled.

It is a grisly,inhumane and disgusting heinous act.

Stray dogs are teated better than the yet to be born..


wheel,,

wheelrite wrote:



Unfortunately, I know this to be true.
I've posted on here before about someone very close to my wife and I who got pregnant at a young age. 19 and in school was a tough (inconvenient) time to have a baby.
She went to planned parenthood and was provided information on HOW to get an abortion. Where to go. Who would pay if she couldn't. And they offered support groups to ease the mind (guilt) afterwards.
The thing is, she wanted to learn about putting her child up for adoption.

They told her to contact the state.


My previous post wasn't to suggest that liberals in general wouldn't try to find some means to defend the scissor doc.
Just that nobody on these boards would.
tailgater
15 years ago

Other than self defense the taking of another human life is never justified,NEVER...

wheelrite wrote:



That's a fair opinion to have, and I wouldn't argue with your right to be against capital punishment.
But comparing it to abortion is like saying all anal sex is the same. I mean, it's just an ass, isn't it?

Ok.
Maybe that a bad analogy.

(Yes. Pun intended...)


borndead1
15 years ago

Other than self defense the taking of another human life is never justified,NEVER...

wheelrite wrote:



Especially by government. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not anti death penalty because I care about a murderer's "rights" or "feelings". I simply think it is too much power for the government to have. The death penalty is the ultimate display of big government. It is illegal for me to kill you, but if I do, the government can kill me. Buncha BS.

As for abortion...yes I think it is disgusting, inhumane, irresponsible, and it is murder. But should it be illegal? I say no. Why? Because it won't stop women from getting abortions. Abortion is something the human race has to evolve past, just like war, greed, racism, homophobia, etc. Laws can't force people to be moral, ethical, or responsible. You can't legally force someone to have a conscience.

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