hank56
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15 years ago
This is my first thread on the Politics Board so excuse me if I don't follow proper decorum.

Why is it when the People ie Tea Party push for lower taxes/smaller government they are dismissed as extremists and called names, Teabaggers? While I don't agree with a lot that either actual political party does I see no good coming from name calling. Since when is it wrong for any group of citizens to voice their thoughts, wishes or desires as to how government is run?

The Tea Party is not an actual political party per se but more a Political Action Group. They do have their share of people that are more extreme/hardcore in their belief than many are comfortable with. Should we paint all of them with the same wide brush? Its my opinion that many are just concerned citizens who are grouping together with hope of effecting change. They do it in a legal manner and without any government/party involvement financially.

If there were an equivalent group espousing the "liberal" line and comported themselves in a similar manner would they also be extremists and called names? To some yes but are they really? I find it tiresome that there are those that are so closed minded on either side that any idea or movement that differs from theirs is met with ridicule and downright meanness.


Before anyone takes exception to my term the People I am basing that on We The People, who have every right and most definitely the duty to ensure government works for us. Granted that may not be how it is at this time but We The People need to see it does.

I am not a member of the Tea Party or any Political Action Group, just an elected official in Smalltown USA.


My name is hank56 and I approved this message...


DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
See how "they" respond to the Tea Party?




It's a 14 year old girl talking at a Tea Party event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rFpeF4X7Ubo


THIS is how they use their freedoms. These are union thugs. Pigs at the troughs. Their "apple cart" is threatened. Their status quo is in doubt. Most of what they griped about in WI was over personal contributions to their retirements instead of the 100% taxpayer funded one.

See them for what they are.
DrafterX
15 years ago
And what do you mean by 'You People'..?? [ram27bat]
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

This is my first thread on the Politics Board so excuse me if I don't follow proper decorum.

Why is it when the People ie Tea Party push for lower taxes/smaller government they are dismissed as extremists and called names, Teabaggers? While I don't agree with a lot that either actual political party does I see no good coming from name calling. Since when is it wrong for any group of citizens to voice their thoughts, wishes or desires as to how government is run?

The Tea Party is not an actual political party per se but more a Political Action Group. They do have their share of people that are more extreme/hardcore in their belief than many are comfortable with. Should we paint all of them with the same wide brush? Its my opinion that many are just concerned citizens who are grouping together with hope of effecting change. They do it in a legal manner and without any government/party involvement financially.

If there were an equivalent group espousing the "liberal" line and comported themselves in a similar manner would they also be extremists and called names? To some yes but are they really? I find it tiresome that there are those that are so closed minded on either side that any idea or movement that differs from theirs is met with ridicule and downright meanness.


Before anyone takes exception to my term the People I am basing that on We The People, who have every right and most definitely the duty to ensure government works for us. Granted that may not be how it is at this time but We The People need to see it does.

I am not a member of the Tea Party or any Political Action Group, just an elected official in Smalltown USA.


My name is hank56 and I approved this message...


hank56 wrote:



To answer your first question, it is what the group first called themselves until they realized what the term meant. Many hung teabags on their hats and carried signs 'teabag them before they teabag us'. The name stuck.

Secondly, they are certainly allowed to voice their thoughts, I don't hear anyone saying they can't. Do you remember during the health care 'debate' last year when tea party groups would go to town hall meetings and shout down everyone trying to speak? What about those citizens rights to speak?

As far as finances go for these groups, a great deal of it comes from PAC's formed by Republicans like ****** Armey. This is merely a movement the Republican party is taking over as a re-branding effort. Another major source of funds in Koch Industries.

And to answer your last question, yes, 24/7.

If you need any proof of what I just said, just youtube or google it.
TMCTLT
15 years ago
Hank, I'd like to congratulate you on your first political post. I'm also proud as hell to say that I did join a couple million of my countryman in Washington DC. for the national Tea Party event, ans was Extremely proud of the behavior and comraderie of those who took the time and shouldered the expense to be there. All with one very basic message: We the people are demanding some accountability from our Federal Government. There was no name calling, there was no one asking one another their party affiliation just a HUGE group of like minded folks trying to send a message. Unfortunately jobs like those are almost always left to the few, everyone else is simply too busy to be bothered with such trivial matters!!
hank56
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15 years ago

To answer your first question, it is what the group first called themselves until they realized what the term meant. Many hung teabags on their hats and carried signs 'teabag them before they teabag us'. The name stuck.

Secondly, they are certainly allowed to voice their thoughts, I don't hear anyone saying they can't. Do you remember during the health care 'debate' last year when tea party groups would go to town hall meetings and shout down everyone trying to speak? What about those citizens rights to speak?

As far as finances go for these groups, a great deal of it comes from PAC's formed by Republicans like ****** Armey. This is merely a movement the Republican party is taking over as a re-branding effort. Another major source of funds in Koch Industries.

And to answer your last question, yes, 24/7.

If you need any proof of what I just said, just youtube or google it.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Don't you agree the term is now used as a derisive/insulting term? (Teabagger)

Examples of disruptive/bad behavior are many on either side, does that make either side right?

Financing is as I stated non government/party in origin, yes funding from PAC and private companies.

Re-branding maybe, time will tell.

I know of no equivalent group on the liberal side at this time.
tweoijfoi
15 years ago

Why is it when the People ie Tea Party push for lower taxes/smaller government they are dismissed as extremists and called names, Teabaggers?



It's not the lower taxes/smaller government that makes them extreme.

Also, namecalling is not exclusive to the Tea Party. Pretty much every party has names for others.

"Democraps"
"Dumbocrats"
"Republitards"

etc etc
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Don't you agree the term is now used as a derisive/insulting term? (Teabagger)

Examples of disruptive/bad behavior are many on either side, does that make either side right?

Financing is as I stated non government/party in origin, yes funding from PAC and private companies.

Re-branding maybe, time will tell.

I know of no equivalent group on the liberal side at this time.

hank56 wrote:



Many times, yes. Other times it's used just because they don't know.

Right as in their positions or actions? The answer is no. However, these tactics were put in writing by tea party groups as what to do at these meetings as a tactic to shut down debate and followed by bused in people from all over.

Re-branding, absolutely. It didn't start out that way, but it quickly became a marketing effort.

There is no organized liberal group, probably never will be. We are notoriously disorganized and don't like following orders.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
We live in a two party political system. Upstarts will be absorbed or destroyed.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

We live in a two party political system. Upstarts will be absorbed or destroyed.

HockeyDad wrote:



Unfortunate, but I agree.
Papachristou
15 years ago
i see what OP is talking about. Every news article and person i know virtually smashes tea partiers as racists, crazy gun people, whites, etc. All they want is less spending, smaller gov, and less gov involvment in our daily lives. Yet they are called all kinds of crazy names. why i dont understand either.

yes, they will be absorbed and are for that matter but their views will carry more weight depending on their strenght in the repub party.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

i see what OP is talking about. Every news article and person i know virtually smashes tea partiers as racists, crazy gun people, whites, etc.

Papachristou wrote:





That is all part of the organized process of destroying the teabaggers. Both the Republicans and Democrats agree that the teabaggers are dangerous.

Remember Ross Perot and the Reform Party?
TMCTLT
15 years ago

That is all part of the organized process of destroying the teabaggers. Both the Republicans and Democrats agree that the teabaggers are dangerous.

Remember Ross Perot and the Reform Party?

HockeyDad wrote:





Ding ding ding ding........only difference is the republicans were the first to see this threat and decided it was better to align themselves with the Tea Party. Thus pissing off a lot of folks who then simply referred to the Tea Party movement as a Republican thing........
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

i see what OP is talking about. Every news article and person i know virtually smashes tea partiers as racists, crazy gun people, whites, etc. All they want is less spending, smaller gov, and less gov involvment in our daily lives. Yet they are called all kinds of crazy names. why i dont understand either.

Papachristou wrote:



Well, there have been several polls of tea party members that show that they have more racist attitudes than the general population and more stereotypical views of minorities. University of Washington did one that I'm aware of. 'All they want' is not just what you described, they are also more socially conservative and desire more government control over abortion, immigration, etc. There are some tea party groups that are more libertarian, but overall the tea party is just the new version of the Christian religious right's Moral Majority.
elk hunter
15 years ago


There is no organized liberal group, probably never will be. We are notoriously disorganized and don't like following orders.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Wrong.... That's all the Libs do is organize... There are a few leaders, and the rest fall into line like the sheep they are....

The way Libs work Hank, is when there is a threat or they are proved wrong they resort to name calling and mud throwing... EVERY time...

That is not to say that some of the Reps don't do the same thing... Bad form either way...

TMCTLT
15 years ago

Well, there have been several polls of tea party members that show that they have more racist attitudes than the general population and more stereotypical views of minorities. University of Washington did one that I'm aware of. 'All they want' is not just what you described, they are also more socially conservative and desire more government control over abortion, immigration, etc. There are some tea party groups that are more libertarian, but overall the tea party is just the new version of the Christian religious right's Moral Majority.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Let's get one thing straight, anyone conducting any kind of a poll these days is done so with the expectation of getting exactly what their looking for by polling in areas or from a particular group where they know far ahead of time what kind of response they'll get. I put ZERO credibility in polls.........
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Wrong.... That's all the Libs do is organize... There are a few leaders, and the rest fall into line like the sheep they are....

The way Libs work Hank, is when there is a threat or they are proved wrong they resort to name calling and mud throwing... EVERY time...

That is not to say that some of the Reps don't do the same thing... Bad form either way...

elk hunter wrote:



Heh. The liberals really don't organize that well. I know some Democratic groups may, maybe a union or two. But overall we are in no way as organized as conservative groups. They may try, liberals just don't listen all that well.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Let's get one thing straight, anyone conducting any kind of a poll these days is done so with the expectation of getting exactly what their looking for by polling in areas or from a particular group where they know far ahead of time what kind of response they'll get. I put ZERO credibility in polls.........

TMCTLT wrote:



Well then. You have nothing to go on then except what you 'feel'. So saying anything about the tea party and their attitudes means absolutely nothing.

If the methodology of these studies and polls is wrong, as in the University of Washington study, then go show where it's wrong. Just because you don't like the outcome doesn't mean one can just dismiss the results out of hand.
Papachristou
15 years ago

Well, there have been several polls of tea party members that show that they have more racist attitudes than the general population and more stereotypical views of minorities. University of Washington did one that I'm aware of. 'All they want' is not just what you described, they are also more socially conservative and desire more government control over abortion, immigration, etc. There are some tea party groups that are more libertarian, but overall the tea party is just the new version of the Christian religious right's Moral Majority.

FuzzNJ wrote:




ill disagree with you there. Race being an issue for blacks, hispanics etc is a thing of the past IMO (its not an issue for people like me but it is an issue for blacks). it is reverse racial issues that are growing i believe. for instance when customers come into my office, lets say i have a white guy in a suit paying on an AMX black card, i dont check his insurance, not because he is white but rather i can see that he is driving a new car which usually has insurance since it is financed/worth more, plus his credit line is 3x my annual salary probably. then i have a black customer come in, they drive up in a hoopty, they are paying with cash (money order cause we dont take cash) and my black assistant checks her insurance (low and behold she doesnt have any) she immediately claims racial discrimination!?!?!?!? race was the farthest thing from ANYONES mine except hers.

i have seen whites or men not get promotions even though they were the higher ranking candidate because just 5 minutes before their interview, we received an anyonomous racial ethics point complaint that we dont promote blacks. now who do you think called in that complaint? 🤔 my boss could give two shlts less about race, he wants the best candidate like anyone else.

as a white male, am getting effing tired of being called a racist everytime i deal with someone who doesnt qualify to get a rental car or wants a free upgrade. its exhausting, we make business decisions not racial decisions. Green is green and thats how i pay my bills.
fishinguitarman
15 years ago

Let's get one thing straight, anyone conducting any kind of a poll these days is done so with the expectation of getting exactly what their looking for by polling in areas or from a particular group where they know far ahead of time what kind of response they'll get. I put ZERO credibility in polls.........

TMCTLT wrote:







Hey Paul....You might as well be.....well


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