FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Fuzz... I truly hope that someday you will find salvation. Right now my friend, you are headed down the wrong path...

elk hunter wrote:



lmao, salvation? In the religious sense? Pray for me my brother, my arrogant, self-righteous brother. What a cocky smarmy self centered thing to say.
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ZRX1200
15 years ago
Too late ......
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apachelm
15 years ago

How were you able to do that? Did you not have a job?

Great for your kids, fantastic.

And I do have a study actually, a 2003 study where 72% of home school parents said that providing religious or moral instruction was a reason they chose to home school. Perhaps in your circle of home school friends, this wasn't an issue. Perhaps everyone in your circle also emphasized science and not creationism, and the other things mentioned earlier.

Thing is there is data, and I'm not stereotyping, I'm providing opinions based on facts that are readily available for anyone willing to read.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Religious and Moral instruction are 2 different things even though most Liberals don't think so.
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FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Religious and Moral instruction are 2 different things even though most Liberals don't think so.

apachelm wrote:



Right, we liberals have no morals. Moron.
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HockeyDad
15 years ago

Right, we liberals have no morals. Moron.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Or jobs.
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HockeyDad
15 years ago

Religious and Moral instruction are 2 different things even though most Liberals don't think so.

apachelm wrote:




Regardless of that government still knows best how to teach children.
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tailgater
15 years ago

You're an engineer, but I'm betting you don't miscalculate something and say to a client or whoever the project is for 'Don't worry about it, I'm sure God will fix it".

FuzzNJ wrote:




No. I would never say that.
Instead, I would simply say:
"well, it may be wrong now. But just wait a few billion years and it will magically correct itself."

And if I'm asked for proof, I'd simply tell them it was a theory.



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tailgater
15 years ago

lmao, salvation? In the religious sense? Pray for me my brother, my arrogant, self-righteous brother. What a cocky smarmy self centered thing to say.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Umm, how can wishing for someone to find salvation (by ANY definition of that word) be considered as self centered?

You're so hell bent set on trying to use the fancy words that you've lost track of their meaning.

Stop. Regroup. Collect your thoughts.
They're right there.
On the left...

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FuzzNJ
15 years ago

No. I would never say that.
Instead, I would simply say:
"well, it may be wrong now. But just wait a few billion years and it will magically correct itself."

And if I'm asked for proof, I'd simply tell them it was a theory.



tailgater wrote:



Wow, really? No proof? Magic? Theory? Wow.

Seriously, wow. This shows a major misunderstanding of pretty much everything having to do with science, critical thinking and frankly intelligence. Unless it was a joke, then funny! Otherwise, very, very sad.
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tailgater
15 years ago
apachelm wrote:
Religious and Moral instruction are 2 different things even though most Liberals don't think so.


Right, we liberals have no morals. Moron.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Fuzz,
Now you're just getting flustered.
He never said that you libs have no morals. He simply stated that religious and moral instruction are 2 different things.

You wonder why so many are aiming their retorts in your direction. But this time you gotta look in the mirror.

Although based on what I've read to date, I'd not be surprised if you didn't have one for just that reason.


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FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Umm, how can wishing for someone to find salvation (by ANY definition of that word) be considered as self centered?

You're so hell bent set on trying to use the fancy words that you've lost track of their meaning.

Stop. Regroup. Collect your thoughts.
They're right there.
On the left...

tailgater wrote:



No need to collect my thoughts, I mean exactly what I say in that post.

Maybe you've people say "bless their little heart", it's not a compliment or well wishes, it's a crack. Same with this, and I'm tired of hearing it as well as every other atheist. It's an arrogant, look I'm better than you, you should be like me.

When the majority of born again christians who think 'salvation' is the key don't even follow the actual teachings of Jesus. Bunch of ignorant hypocrites, and it's shown on this board daily. Care for the poor? Love your brother? Feed the hungry? Peace? None of that matters to modern day American Christians. So please spare me the salvation bs. If I would need to be like the average 'saved' person, no thanks.

I'm not hell bent on anything. This is the way I write, you know, will correct spelling and stuff, even though my grammar isn't that great when I write here. Now even the words I use offend. Bunch of crybabies.
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DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
A bitter kept man is no way to go through life son.[-x

If you're not too terribly busy...can you run out and get the dry cleaning?[whip]
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FuzzNJ
15 years ago

apachelm wrote:
Religious and Moral instruction are 2 different things even though most Liberals don't think so.





Fuzz,
Now you're just getting flustered.
He never said that you libs have no morals. He simply stated that religious and moral instruction are 2 different things.

You wonder why so many are aiming their retorts in your direction. But this time you gotta look in the mirror.

Although based on what I've read to date, I'd not be surprised if you didn't have one for just that reason.


tailgater wrote:



Um, "even though most Liberals don't think so."

Yup, it was just a simple statement of 'fact'. /sigh
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chiefburg
15 years ago

lmao, salvation? In the religious sense? Pray for me my brother, my arrogant, self-righteous brother. What a cocky smarmy self centered thing to say.

FuzzNJ wrote:


Cocky? Smarmy? Self centered? Isn't just as cocky of you to support your opinion and call it "real?" An opinion is an opinion - you don't have to agree or disagree. I respect your right of non-belief - shouldn't you respect others?

Further, how does it hurt anyone to pray for them? If there is no God then there is no harm! Seems to me that it's most beneficial to have both bases covered just in case there really is a God - a "no harm, no foul" sort of position.
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DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Um, "even though most Liberals don't think so."

Yup, it was just a simple statement of 'fact'. /sigh

FuzzNJ wrote:




I have a study from 2003 that details it all. It's also got the secrets of the world too.
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FuzzNJ
15 years ago

A bitter kept man is no way to go through life son.[-x

DrMaddVibe wrote:



🐴 Someone is obsessed and/or jealous. You actually think you are offending me with this childish bs? 🐴
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DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Further, how does it hurt anyone to pray for them? If there is no God then there is no harm! Seems to me that it's most beneficial to have both bases covered just in case there really is a God - a "no harm, no foul" sort of position.

chiefburg wrote:




It crushes their non-soul into crop circles. They get all bitchy and act like a crazed PMS wildebeast without chocolate.

PLEASE DON'T PRAY FOR FUZZ...JUST BEG HIM TO MAKE SNICKERDOODLES OR DUST...IT SOOTHES HIS NON-SOUL.
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DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

🐴 Someone is obsessed and/or jealous. You actually think you are offending me with this childish bs? 🐴

FuzzNJ wrote:




Actually, if you want the honest to God truth...NEITHER!


I can't imagine shuffling 'round the house in slippers all day.

Does your Boss KNOW you're typing on her computer?[whip]
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FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Cocky? Smarmy? Self centered? Isn't just as cocky of you to support your opinion and call it "real?" An opinion is an opinion - you don't have to agree or disagree. I respect your right of non-belief - shouldn't you respect others?

Further, how does it hurt anyone to pray for them? If there is no God then there is no harm! Seems to me that it's most beneficial to have both bases covered just in case there really is a God - a "no harm, no foul" sort of position.

chiefburg wrote:



Where did I say my opinion was real? I said the facts from the studies were real. Opinions are opinions, but facts are facts. You are confusing the two, and it's sad you, and most others here, can not tell the difference. It really is.

People have the right to believe whatever they want, I don't give a f. But when they say the self-righteous crap to me and not expect me to react when they know my stand it is the same if I say to them, 'your god is dead, doesn't exist and you are a stupid, stupid person for even thinking that it does', without provocation. I'm sure that wouldn't go over very well either.

Both bases covered? bah, more that 2 bases there Chief. How many different gods have their been and how many different ways of worshiping those gods? Lots and lots of bases. Just because you were born into one of those bases or it's the majority where you live you think that one is the 'correct' one. Imagine the luck!
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tailgater
15 years ago

Wow, really? No proof? Magic? Theory? Wow.

Seriously, wow. This shows a major misunderstanding of pretty much everything having to do with science, critical thinking and frankly intelligence. Unless it was a joke, then funny! Otherwise, very, very sad.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Fuzz,
Do you even know what the evolution debate is?
Except among a small fraction of religious zealots, most people understand that evolution DOES exist. Animals and plants DO evolve. This isn't a theory, it's fact.

But that's not what gets people into a tizzy.
It's when we discuss how man evolved. Or what we evolved from.
Some say it was the monkey (or varios other primative primates). Some say it was from a higher being (God, alien, etc).

And here's the kicker: Neither side has any real proof.
One side relies on beliefs and speculation.
The other side relies on theory and innuendo. In other words: speculation. And belief.

I'd be happy to debate it with you, but you'd be sorely dissappointed because although I believe in God I don't always take the Bible as literally as some.
My point isn't to discuss the merits and flaws of these ideas. Just to prove a point (and make a funny).

So if you think I have a major misunderstanding of pretty much everything having to do with science, you'd be very much wrong. The Theory of Evolution includes some mind boggling leaps of faith, and much of the "proof" has been reverse engineered to fit into a preconceived notion.
Again, I'm not telling you Adam and Eve were real, or even that there is any proof either way.
Just simply that both sides have some compelling facts (the creationists use facts to dispell evolution, rather than to prove their own belief) and if you didn't have a horse in the race it would be quite intriguing.

For the record, I don't think that creationism shoudl be taught it public schools.
Although intelligent design, if scripted correctly, could co-exist with Evolution since neither can be sold as fact.

Remember, scientists used to KNOW the world was flat. So be careful with how much weight you give a theory.
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