Poll Question: How to Solve the National Debt Problem
Brewha
15 years ago

Well, then we see why Brewha's daddy didn't then.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



At least I knew my father . . . . .


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HockeyDad
15 years ago
The biggest problem with just defaulting is there is a trickle down affect to that as well.

The foreigners just get screwed and eventually may lend us money again or maybe not.

Trust funds like Social Security would get hammered. The Social Security laws are self-fixing because we can only pay out what we take in. Social Security benefits would fall to 75% of what they are now immediately and then decrease over time as more baby boomers retire. (It is what is projected to happen around 2037 anyway so it would just be a rapid acceleration)

The worst hit would be to all the domestic bond holders....all the pensions, mutual funds, and 401Ks that are packed full of government bonds. We've been told that we need a stock/bond mixture/diversification based on age to retirement and we have dutifully listened.

There would be some significant drops in standards of living and retirement.
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HockeyDad
15 years ago

Steven Tyler says we should eat the rich . . . .

Brewha wrote:




He is an American Idol judge.
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MTappert
15 years ago

Tax BONGS!

teedubbya wrote:




tax things like marijuana, online poker and sports betting...

it probably wont amount to much but a few hundred million dollars extra is a good start.


but my real answer if reduce government spending... so much waste.
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teedubbya
15 years ago
tax waste!
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DrafterX
15 years ago

tax things like marijuana, online poker and sports betting...

MTappert wrote:






BAN MTAPPERT!!!!!!!!! [ram27bat]
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tailgater
15 years ago

I don’t want to answer? I need to explain ‘fare’ to you? Deflecting the issue?

Dude, I am pointing to fundamental inequities in our system. You are just looking for a point of tax code to debate – sorry I don’t have one. Besides – new tax code would not fix the debt.

You think you are wealthy? Good for you. I assume then that most everyone in the US is wealthy and you interpret ‘wealthy not paying their fare share’ to mean ‘no one is paying enough’. Not what I wrote, Not what I meant.

You rich guys are all alike - 😄

What would you call someone who owns billions in net worth? Someone who never drew wage and selects what passes for news? Guess wealthy ain’t the right word.

Brewha wrote:




Brew dude,
You're making this much more difficult then it should be.
I mean you no harm.
You said the wealthy don't pay their fair share.
You took it further by claiming that anyone who does think they pay enough is a mindless minion of the evil fox news.

So I asked a simple question and requested specifics.

Perhaps instead I should have announed: AND LET THE DANCING BEGIN!
Because, once again, you've two-stepped over everything but the issue you initiated.

And I never claimed that I consider myself wealthy. I merely responded to you shrugging you shoulders about high salaries and multiple houses like its just another book on a shelf for life in America.

Here's the thing:
I know a lot of liberals who say the exact same thing as you. They say "the rich don't even pay taxes".
When I question them for specifics (those pesky facts), they say "well, they don't pay enough".
And they cite things like loop holes and write offs and subsidies and other things that are relatively fundamental but they apparently know very little when asked to explain.

The top 5% of wage earners in this country pay the vast majority of the income taxes to Uncle Sam. This is not even debatable. It's fact.
This migh be enough. And it may not be.
But for folks like you, it is clearly not enough.
And all I want to know is HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?

But the question somehow renders the acusers speechless.

Should I queue the music for your next tap dance?w\:d/
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DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

At least I knew my father . . . . .


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Brewha wrote:




Did he whine like you too?:-"
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HockeyDad
15 years ago
Tailgater is gonna get his finger bit if he keeps it up!
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tailgater
14 years ago

Tailgater is gonna get his finger bit if he keeps it up!

HockeyDad wrote:



Is Brewha a Vancouverian?
Vancouverite?

Either way, I think you're coaching him on the whole not-answering-a-simple-question tactic.

Bravo.
Or is it Braveau?

[frypan]
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HockeyDad
14 years ago
Il est bon. Espèce de salaud riche.
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teedubbya
14 years ago
This is America fancy boy. We don't need none of that spanish crap.
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teedubbya
14 years ago
Besides if everyone would just hum along everything would be ok

Uhh! Awww, sookie sookie now!
Hey! Oww, uhh! Come on, baby!
Hey there, Sugar Darlin',
Let me tell you something
Girl, I've been trying to say, now.
You look so sweet,
And you're so doggone fine.
I just can't get you out of my mind.
You've become a sweet taste in my mouth, now.
And I want you to be my spouse,
So that we can live happily, nah-nah,
In a great big ol' roomy house.
And I know you're gonna groove me, baby.
Ahh, yeah, now.
You make me feel good inside.
Come on, and groove me, baby.
I need you to groove me.
Ahhh, yeah, now, now, darling.
Uhh! Come on, come on!
Hey! Uhh!
Hey there, Sugar Darlin',
Come on, give me something
Girl, I've been needing for days.
Yes, I'm good, good loving,
With plenty, plenty hugging.
Ooh, you cute little thang, you.
Girl, between you and me, nah-nah,
We don't need no company.
No other man, no other girl
Can enter into our world,
Not as long as you groove me, baby.
Ahh, come on.
Make me feel good inside.
Come on and groove me, baby.
Move me, baby.
Ahh, sock it to me, mama.
Uhh! Ahh, I like it like that, baby.
Uhh! Groove me, baby! Hey! Uhh!
Groove me, darling!
Come on, come on.
I need you to sock it to me, mama.
Come on and groove me, baby.
Hey! Uhh! Good, God!
It makes me feel so good inside, mama.
Now, come on, come on, and uhh,
Groove me, baby, groove me, baby.
Ahh, sock it to me,
Sock it to me,
Rock it to me.
Come on, come on!
Come on!
And uhh,
Groove me, mama, I want you to
Groove me!

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OldSchool
14 years ago
I've been away... Has he answered yet?
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teedubbya
14 years ago
yes... something like this

Sick and tired by the way you do
Good time papa gonna poison you
Sprinkle goofer dust all around your bed
Wake up one of these days, find your own self dead
She said you shouldn't say that
I said What did I say to make you mad this time baby?
She said Umm...
I don't know
My oh my oh my
She said I don't know but my baby's holding down

The woman I love has got devil in her jaw
Clothes she's wearing made out of the best of cloth
She can take 'em and wash 'em, put 'em upside a wall
She can throw 'em out a window, pick 'em
up a little before they fall
Sometimes I think you got your habits on
She said You shouldn't say that
I said What did I say to piss you off this time baby?
She said Umm...
I don't know, my oh my, I don't know
But my baby's holding down

My momma told me, my momma sat down and cried
She said you're too young to have as many woman as you got
I looked at my mother dear, didn't even crack a smile
Said If woman don't kill me I don't mind dying
The woman I love, I want to wait for last
The woman I love, I have all class
Thought I warned you baby, a long time ago
Better watch your step or I'm going to have to let you go
She said you shouldn't say that

I said well Baby
You know when you bend over I see every bit of Christmas
And when you bend back I'm looking right into the new year
She said Honey, Honey you know I
gave up cigarettes for my new year's
resolution
But I didn't give up smoking
I said Woman, Woman you going to walk a mile for a Camel
Or are you going to make like Mr Chesterfield and satisfy?
She said That all depends on what your packin'
Regular or kingsize
Then she pulled out my Jim Beam, and to her surprise
It was every bit as hard as my Canadian Club
I said Now what now you got to say baby?
She said Umm...

I don't know
My oh my oh my
I don't know
But my baby's holding down
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Brewha
14 years ago

Brew dude,
You're making this much more difficult then it should be.
I mean you no harm.
You said the wealthy don't pay their fair share.
You took it further by claiming that anyone who does think they pay enough is a mindless minion of the evil fox news.

So I asked a simple question and requested specifics.

Perhaps instead I should have announed: AND LET THE DANCING BEGIN!
Because, once again, you've two-stepped over everything but the issue you initiated.

And I never claimed that I consider myself wealthy. I merely responded to you shrugging you shoulders about high salaries and multiple houses like its just another book on a shelf for life in America.

Here's the thing:
I know a lot of liberals who say the exact same thing as you. They say "the rich don't even pay taxes".
When I question them for specifics (those pesky facts), they say "well, they don't pay enough".
And they cite things like loop holes and write offs and subsidies and other things that are relatively fundamental but they apparently know very little when asked to explain.

The top 5% of wage earners in this country pay the vast majority of the income taxes to Uncle Sam. This is not even debatable. It's fact.
This migh be enough. And it may not be.
But for folks like you, it is clearly not enough.
And all I want to know is HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?

But the question somehow renders the acusers speechless.

Should I queue the music for your next tap dance?w\:d/

tailgater wrote:



Dude, you’re living in a river in Egypt.

However –
We should repeal the Bush-era tax cuts for those over $200k.
You’d agree with that right?

Seems that what you postulate is that people (assuming liberals qualify) are wrong when they cannot explain in full detail. If there is not a simple answer, their position cannot be correct.

So show us the way! Tell us, do the rich pay their fair share and give us the specifics. Give us the simple and clear evidence that will end the debate. Tell us the amount of correction if any and share the math. Or have you no opinion?
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Brewha
14 years ago

Did he whine like you too?:-"

DrMaddVibe wrote:



How about a little fire scarecrow?
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OldSchool
14 years ago
You think over 200k is rich?[frypan]

Now who is eating the forced fed liberal talking points?
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Brewha
14 years ago

You think over 200k is rich?[frypan]

Now who is eating the forced fed liberal talking points?

OldSchool wrote:



Try reading the entire thread OS -
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tailgater
14 years ago

Dude, you’re living in a river in Egypt.

However –
We should repeal the Bush-era tax cuts for those over $200k.
You’d agree with that right?

Seems that what you postulate is that people (assuming liberals qualify) are wrong when they cannot explain in full detail. If there is not a simple answer, their position cannot be correct.

So show us the way! Tell us, do the rich pay their fair share and give us the specifics. Give us the simple and clear evidence that will end the debate. Tell us the amount of correction if any and share the math. Or have you no opinion?

Brewha wrote:



Brew,
if I told you straight up that the rich paid more than the fair share, then I'd at least try to back it up with facts and/or opinions.

You came in like gang busters, declaring that it was stupid to think the rich paid enough. That their contributions were not fair (or fare, as you so want to type).

Then you haven't the facts, the conviction, nor the fortitude to respond with even a hint of where you postulated this premise.
I asked a question, and your "answer" is to ask me a question.

I am dissapointed. But not nearly as much as you may have been when you learned that Rachael Maddow plays for the other team.
For it's obvious that you get your "facts" from her.

In the meantime, if we're talking "Personal Income Tax" then here are the facts:

The top 1% wage earners pay about 40% of all Federal Personal Income Taxes collected.
The top 5% covers about 55%
And the top 25% pay all but 15% of all federal income taxes collected (that's 85% in case you don't have a calculator).
*These numbers are from 2008, the last year of GWB. They may have changed slightly but you get the point.

Fair?
I wouldn't want to influence you with my opinion.


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