FuzzNJ
14 years ago

If only schools and teachers were allowed to hold students accountable like that nowadays. Now, if a kid hasn't done squat all semester and is failing, teachers are expected to offer extra credit or accept make up work from 3 months ago in order for them to pass...

rwilly wrote:



Kids fail here and are kept back. I know of a couple in the neighborhood and my kids tell me of a lot more. I'm personally not seeing this.
McBryde
14 years ago


1. According to Department of Education statistics, in 2007-2008 (the latest year available), full-time public school teachers across the country made an average of $53,230 in “total school-year and summer earned income.” That compares favorably to the $39,690 that private school teachers pulled down.

wheelrite wrote:



Damn, if I made $53K per year with the school I wouldn't have to work 4 other side jobs during the year to make ends meet! Guess I'm just a below average teacher, I'm not a tested subject after all so I don't really count. I figure teachers would have a lot more time to encourage students and uplift them and blow smoke up their parents a$$es if they didn't have to worry about making ends meet for their own families, but that doesn't matter!

As far as the difference between public and private schools, I'd gladly take a 40 count class of respectful, I know that is a relative term, students in private school where they will get their butts beat when they get home if they are bad in class over a class of 25 inner city disrespecting gang kids with the bubba's thrown in there with them. It then becomes more of a race/babysitting war in the classroom and trying to settle everyone down and then get them something taught in the 40 minutes in your room a day. There is no way in the world that you can even come close to trying to compare private and public school to each other. If you compare them together, then why is it you chosen to put your children into private schools? There has to be some public schools there that have high scores. Or is it the fact that there are far fewer distractions in private schools? All leading to a different learning environment.

E

P.s.- this is from my phone, hope it's not too random.
DrafterX
14 years ago
Lean on me, when you're not strong...
and I'll be your friend...
I'll help you carry on..
for it won't be long..
till I'm gonna need..
someone to lean on... :-" :-"
rwilly
14 years ago
"They use to call me crazy Joe! Well know they call me batman!"
jetblasted
14 years ago
I've been following this story closely ever since it broke, and it is appaling. Can't say that I'm too shocked, but business and civic leaders were putting pressure on APS to improve test scores to attract new companies to the area. What is really shocking is the gigantic failure rates among Atlanta students. I have not looked at the entire report, as it involves hundreds of schools, but numbers like 21% passing rate of 3rd graders in math at school "x", or 94% failure rate of 4th grade reading at school "y", etc.

It makes one wonder why people like Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson aren't here protesting the child abuse that this situation has brought forth. These kids are being set up for failure for life over the basics of the 3 R's. It also makes one wonder about the mentality of my city, and why this is "acceptable".

It also makes one wonder if there is a correlation of drop-outs, sky-high homeless, rampant daily smash & grab robberies, youth gangs that are out of control, drive-by shootings, and a revolving door prison system.

But, Al Sharpton will be here next week to protest the law against illegal immigrants.

Makes one wonder about priorities.
wheelrite
14 years ago

I've been following this story closely ever since it broke, and it is appaling. Can't say that I'm too shocked, but business and civic leaders were putting pressure on APS to improve test scores to attract new companies to the area. What is really shocking is the gigantic failure rates among Atlanta students. I have not looked at the entire report, as it involves hundreds of schools, but numbers like 21% passing rate of 3rd graders in math at school "x", or 94% failure rate of 4th grade reading at school "y", etc.

It makes one wonder why people like Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson aren't here protesting the child abuse that this situation has brought forth. These kids are being set up for failure for life over the basics of the 3 R's. It also makes one wonder about the mentality of my city, and why this is "acceptable".

It also makes one wonder if there is a correlation of drop-outs, sky-high homeless, rampant daily smash & grab robberies, youth gangs that are out of control, drive-by shootings, and a revolving door prison system.

But, Al Sharpton will be here next week to protest the law against illegal immigrants.

Makes one wonder about priorities.

jetblasted wrote:



Does Atlanta have a lagre African- American population ?
HockeyDad
14 years ago
Define "large"!
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Don't you watch meet the Browns???

They are large.
wheelrite
14 years ago

Define "large"!

HockeyDad wrote:




large/lärj/Adjective1. Of considerable or relatively great size, extent, or capacity.
2. Of greater size than the ordinary, esp. with reference to a size of clothing or to the size of a packaged commodity.
puffytstogie
14 years ago
That's not a good enough definition, to me a large with reference to a size of clothing isn't large, but it's all perspective.






But the size of my package is large.
DaQueenBeez
14 years ago

I blame librarians.

ZRX1200 wrote:





Yup! I'm running a banned book underground rebellion!!!
apachelm
14 years ago

We are pissed off we are so far behind. The problem is that most other countries have cut offs and weed outs. Our country is one that thinks that everyone can learn at the same level, no questions asked. The mentally handicapped kid can learn just as well and to the same standard as the honor student can, it is just the teachers fault if they can't! That is "No child left behind"!

Other countries, like China, have cuts in their education system. About 6th grade, they have a weed out of the kids not making it, they go to the factories and work for the rest of their lives making toys and painting your kids toys with lead based paint. Another cut at 9th grade, those go to train to do medial technical jobs like motor pool and taxi driving and other stuff like that that endanger your life a little more. Another cut at 12th grade for the ones to run the factories and manage the people working, and the rest, the cream of the crop, go to college to get good paying jobs.

Whenever you figure out how to solve that system here, you can run the country, until then, just sit back and watch our country go to crap and keep drinking the coolaid they are giving you!

E

McBryde wrote:




Wow this is one of the scariest posts I've ever read on here I think!

Not sure if anyone has addressed this yet as it's too long of a thread but here are my thoughts:

To simply pull out students by the 6th grade who are not making the cut - wow - what if some of those just didn't have good teachers up to that point? Too bad for them!

Then again at 9th grade if your scores aren't high enough don't worry we got things for you to do. Um how many of you knew what you wanted to do after the 9th grade? Hell most were probably still picking their boogers or learning to jerk themselves off to think of their futures.

Now by 12th grade if you didn't stand out you were put in position to manage the lesser imbeciles but you still worked were "they" told you and you NEVER had the chance to work for yourself. How many High School grads in the US own there own businesses?

Lastly the "cream of the crop" get givin the good paying jobs - so all you have to do is work hard through the 12th grade then screw off the rest of your life cuz you were considered the "cream of the crop"?

Well other countries can have that type of a school system if they want but I'll keep my kids in this one and just make sure myself that they succeed.
jetblasted
14 years ago
Hey Wheel ... The corruption from Atlanta Public Schools has spread to Dallas ...

Kathy Augustine, the new superintendent of the DeSoto Independent School District who was linked to cheating at Atlanta Public Schools, reported to work Monday on her first day as chief of the suburban Dallas system.

Augustine, a Harvard University graduate used her credentials on improving test scores at APS to land her $188,000-a-year job.

Augustine’s stay in the executive office could be short lived. Tonight, the Desoto ISD Board of Trustees will decide whether they should terminate her contract. The board also will discuss the Atlanta cheating investigation and allegations about their new superintendent.


In the APS probe, Augustine was accused of "illegally" withholding public documents and "aiding and abetting" former Atlanta superintendent Beverly Hall in "falsifying, misrepresenting or erroneously reporting the evaluation of students" on the 2009 CRCT, according to the investigation released last week. Augustine was also accused of making "false statements" about a testing security breach at Deerwood Academy where a confession on cheating was obtained. Augustine was APS' deputy superintendent of instruction and curriculum, and according to the report, "either knew or should have known that cheating and other misconduct was occurring in schools in the APS system."

wheelrite
14 years ago

Hey Wheel ... The corruption from Atlanta Public Schools has spread to Dallas ...

Kathy Augustine, the new superintendent of the DeSoto Independent School District who was linked to cheating at Atlanta Public Schools, reported to work Monday on her first day as chief of the suburban Dallas system.

Augustine, a Harvard University graduate used her credentials on improving test scores at APS to land her $188,000-a-year job.

Augustine’s stay in the executive office could be short lived. Tonight, the Desoto ISD Board of Trustees will decide whether they should terminate her contract. The board also will discuss the Atlanta cheating investigation and allegations about their new superintendent.


In the APS probe, Augustine was accused of "illegally" withholding public documents and "aiding and abetting" former Atlanta superintendent Beverly Hall in "falsifying, misrepresenting or erroneously reporting the evaluation of students" on the 2009 CRCT, according to the investigation released last week. Augustine was also accused of making "false statements" about a testing security breach at Deerwood Academy where a confession on cheating was obtained. Augustine was APS' deputy superintendent of instruction and curriculum, and according to the report, "either knew or should have known that cheating and other misconduct was occurring in schools in the APS system."

jetblasted wrote:



Yep.It's all over the news here.
They paid $14000.00 to a recruiting firm to find a Black Superintendent. Diversity and all...
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Yep.It's all over the news here.
They paid $14000.00 to a recruiting firm to find a Black Superintendent. Diversity and all...

wheelrite wrote:



Again with all the black sh*t. Was just reading the Sharpton thread too. You got a real problem with black people dude.

jetblasted
14 years ago
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution broke the story of ceasing, when results from one year to the next showed such astonishing gains that were quite frankly unbelievable. The odds of these gains were one in a billion. If you want the full story behind the APS cheating scandal, check out ajc,com
wheelrite
14 years ago

Again with all the black sh*t. Was just reading the Sharpton thread too. You got a real problem with black people dude.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Eat me ...

I don't have a problem with any ethnicity,just hypocrits...
The truth is the truth...

deal with it..
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Eat me ...

I don't have a problem with any ethnicity,just hypocrits...
The truth is the truth...

deal with it..

wheelrite wrote:



Yeah, if you say so.

How are George Jefferson and the stripper in the Duke case related to Sharpton?
wheelrite
14 years ago

Yeah, if you say so.

How are George Jefferson and the stripper in the Duke case related to Sharpton?

FuzzNJ wrote:



Sharpton is a Race Baiter carpet bagger and doesn't desrve a public forum.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Sharpton is a Race Baiter carpet bagger and doesn't desrve a public forum.

wheelrite wrote:



That didn't answer the question.
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