The "jobs bill" is a steaming pile. About what you'd expect from this administration. Even most Dems in Congress aren't talking about it and the sure as hell don't want it brought up for a vote. With important, job-creating features like a provision that lets someone who is unemployed sue an employer if they apply and don't get hired.

The "jobs bill" is just a talking point for El Presidente Bobblehead to use on the campaign trail. "Gridlock, the Party of No."

Maybe one of the socialists on this board can 'splain to me why all the "rich Republicans" want the economy to stay in the tank? So their stocks are worth less? So their millions of dollars they've squirreled away screwing the poor little people are worth less? So their greedy business model industries tank and go under because no one can afford their various products and services? [frypan]

PS - Fuzz - glad you're back from handing out cookies at "Occupy Wall Street".

You and those folks down there have really made a difference! No seriously. I've really been touched by all the dope smoking and bongo playing and crayon signs about killing all the capitalists. I've really seen the light. A living history lesson illustrating the concept of "Useful Idiots" in action.

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Consider the bill a lesson in economics and sociology.
And you are being taught in accordance your fitness to learn . . . . .

And no – I’m not calling you ‘stupid’. That would look like this;

YOU’RE STUPID!!!

- See, I never said that . . . .

Do we know how it will create jobs and how many it will create or do we need to pass it because it has a cool, populist name? The last "Jobs Bill" left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

I wish OUR poor had flies all over them instead of Nike shoes and cell phones...

Never confuse selling with delivery...

Never confuse selling with delivery...

The vaunted and reviled HockeyDad again posited his question with the needling, pin point acumen of a master seamstress – dresses in angry plumb taffeta. How could Brewha hope to placate the relentless onslaught of a man bent on such a mission – and in six inch manolo’s?

Twisting in his smoky vapor, a feeble thought grows in his brain. He turns to us and speaks;

Yes we know. Of course not everyone wants to understand, of has the mental might to understand. Some would be naysayers because they have nothing else to say. And maybe that bad taste was caused by ****** Cheney whipping his azz on the US Constitution . . . .

Verbose and Bombastic,,,

'Brevity is the soul of wit"
Wm.Shakespeare

So you can't explain it but you were told it is so.

I haven't looked into it since Congress is on vacation and Obama went on vacation before getting around to recommending it. It doesn't seem that important.

Et tu, Brute?

Wherefore rejoice? What conquest brings he home?
What tributaries follow him to Rome
To grace in captive bonds his chariot wheels?
You blocks, you stones, you worse than senseless things,
O you hard hearts, you cruèl men of Rome,
Knew you not Pompey? Many a time and oft
Have you climbed up to walls and battlements,
To towers and windows, yea, to chimney tops,
Your infants in your arms, and there have sat
The livelong day with patient expectation
To see great Pompey pass the streets of Rome.
And when you saw his chariot but appear,
Have you not made an universal shout
That Tiber trembled underneath her banks
To hear the replication of your sounds
Made in her concave shores?
And do you now put on your best attire?
And do you now cull out a holiday?

Nice, but I am not a cobbler.
Flavius perhaps?

Those Bassards!!!!!! 😠

Everyone regardless of income pays the tax of inflation caused by allowing the federal reserve to print funny money to fund bailouts for the faux capitalists who accept socialist money redistribution when it's convenient to cover their asses for their fiscal irresponsibility and many cases downright criminal dealings but detest it when it goes to someone who hasn't the Inclination or "talent" for perpetrating fraud on such a grand scale, nor the financial resources to buy off politicians and the legal system to keep them from being prosecuted for it,


Now back to the regular program here of self congratulatory group think and puerile mud flinging.

Well you know what they say.......Go big or go home!

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!

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If the left and the right are proxies in a class war, then they're currently fighting to win a battle of public perception. Each side wants the public to see them as on the side of the beleaguered many against the powerful few.

Democrats are vying for victory by supporting tax increases on millionaires and the "Buffett Rule," which posits that all millionaires should pay at least the same effective tax rates as the middle class. The Occupy Wall Street protesters have turned "We Are The 99 Percent" into a rallying cry.

How do you argue against that? By obscuring what the fight's really about, and perpetuating the sense that hundreds of millions of people are gaming the system. To do this, conservatives and Republican elected officials are citing recent data to create the impression that a small majority of people in the country pay all the taxes, and nearly half (a large minority) pay nothing at all. It's a false impression, and when you break down who comprises this now-famous "47 percent" -- the poor, the disabled, and the elderly -- it makes you wonder why anybody thought it was a good idea to pick a public fight with them.

What's really going on here is that about 47 percent of households paid no federal income tax in 2009. Either they owed nothing, or they got as much back from the federal government as they paid -- or more.

This ignores payroll taxes, state and local taxes, gas taxes, excise taxes and much more. But to hear conservatives talk about it, you'd think these people's entire tax burden was $0.00. In April, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), citing similar data, claimed "According to the Joint Committee on Taxation, 49 percent of households are paying 100 percent of taxes coming in to the federal government." Notice the absence of the key qualifier, "income." And Grassley's far from alone.

As Benjy Sarlin explained at length the Republican answer to this problem, remarkably, is that Congress should raise these people's taxes.

So who are these people? This chart, courtesy of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, explains just about everything you need to know.


Right now about one-third of the 47 percent are people who are too old to work, full time students, disability beneficiaries, long-term unemployed and other such despicable freeloaders. Because the 47 percent figure comes from using "households that file" as the denominator it includes people who have part time jobs and low paying jobs, Social Security and unemployment beneficiaries. The rest were people whose jobs paid little enough that, on net, they owed no income taxes. These people may have benefited from the stimulus' Making-Work-Pay tax credit, or saw their incomes drop enough during the recession to qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and so on.

In this regard, attacking the 47 percent for gaming the system is an implicit call for taxing Social Security income, taxing disability benefits, further taxing unemployment benefits, and so on.

Moreover, and this is key, the 47 percent is only 47 percent because of the recession. As CBPP wrote in May, the high number "reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act -- including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits -- were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired. In a more typical year, 35 percent to 40 percent of households owe no federal income tax. In 2007, the figure was 37.9 percent."

As CBPP tax expert Chuck Marr explained to me, this is a good phenomenon, and one that helped prevent the economy from sinking even further in 2009.

"The place to start on this though is that the years discussed are just not typical -- this is the worst economic climate since the Great Depression," Marr said. The numbers have been bumped by about 10 percentage points "that's what you want -- should we argue that we should raise taxes on these people to keep it at 37 percent?"

That's what a lot of Republicans seem to want. But the result would be terrible for an already weak economy.

Ihttp://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/chart-of-the-day-these-are-the-47-percent.php?ref=fpb 

If the left and the right are proxies in a class war, then they're currently fighting to win a battle of public perception. Each side wants the public to see them as on the side of the beleaguered many against the powerful few.

Democrats are vying for victory by supporting tax increases on millionaires and the "Buffett Rule," which posits that all millionaires should pay at least the same effective tax rates as the middle class. The Occupy Wall Street protesters have turned "We Are The 99 Percent" into a rallying cry.

How do you argue against that? By obscuring what the fight's really about, and perpetuating the sense that hundreds of millions of people are gaming the system. To do this, conservatives and Republican elected officials are citing recent data to create the impression that a small majority of people in the country pay all the taxes, and nearly half (a large minority) pay nothing at all. It's a false impression, and when you break down who comprises this now-famous "47 percent" -- the poor, the disabled, and the elderly -- it makes you wonder why anybody thought it was a good idea to pick a public fight with them.

What's really going on here is that about 47 percent of households paid no federal income tax in 2009. Either they owed nothing, or they got as much back from the federal government as they paid -- or more.

This ignores payroll taxes, state and local taxes, gas taxes, excise taxes and much more. But to hear conservatives talk about it, you'd think these people's entire tax burden was $0.00. In April, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), citing similar data, claimed "According to the Joint Committee on Taxation, 49 percent of households are paying 100 percent of taxes coming in to the federal government." Notice the absence of the key qualifier, "income." And Grassley's far from alone.

As Benjy Sarlin explained at length the Republican answer to this problem, remarkably, is that Congress should raise these people's taxes.

So who are these people? This chart, courtesy of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, explains just about everything you need to know.


Right now about one-third of the 47 percent are people who are too old to work, full time students, disability beneficiaries, long-term unemployed and other such despicable freeloaders. Because the 47 percent figure comes from using "households that file" as the denominator it includes people who have part time jobs and low paying jobs, Social Security and unemployment beneficiaries. The rest were people whose jobs paid little enough that, on net, they owed no income taxes. These people may have benefited from the stimulus' Making-Work-Pay tax credit, or saw their incomes drop enough during the recession to qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and so on.

In this regard, attacking the 47 percent for gaming the system is an implicit call for taxing Social Security income, taxing disability benefits, further taxing unemployment benefits, and so on.

Moreover, and this is key, the 47 percent is only 47 percent because of the recession. As CBPP wrote in May, the high number "reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act -- including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits -- were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired. In a more typical year, 35 percent to 40 percent of households owe no federal income tax. In 2007, the figure was 37.9 percent."

As CBPP tax expert Chuck Marr explained to me, this is a good phenomenon, and one that helped prevent the economy from sinking even further in 2009.

"The place to start on this though is that the years discussed are just not typical -- this is the worst economic climate since the Great Depression," Marr said. The numbers have been bumped by about 10 percentage points "that's what you want -- should we argue that we should raise taxes on these people to keep it at 37 percent?"

That's what a lot of Republicans seem to want. But the result would be terrible for an already weak economy.