HockeyDad
14 years ago

They're a nation that either has (and hasn't declared it formally!) or hasn't (see Saddam Hussein's plan of crying WMD to his neighbors and how THAT turned out for him!) nuclear capabilities of dealing with it's foes.

They've shown that they can handle their own fights and why they weren't allowed in on the whole "War on Terror" at the beginning is beyond me! They don't need our permission to flyover and take out the Iranian facilities. Facilities that even the House of Saud has cried they shouldn't have! They don't need us for one damn thing. We're not their "big bully brother" waiting to see if the fight's fair to enter into the fray.

Let them take care of their own business and let the UN deal with them...or not...either way, they're a soverign nation...Iran has to deal with it...not us...it's pure provacation that the rest of the Iranian population has to deal with their leadership! If the general census is that they don't want what these crazy hellbent on a holy war holy rollers let THEM deal with overthrowing the sharia system they voted in! Either that or they're complicit with the whole thing and want to feel the warm glow of a nuclear blast.

It's not a United States issue at all. We've meddled in their affairs far too long with no positive results. Short term solutions and scads of useless Nobel Peace Prize winners and people getting rich while the poor get poorer. They want to take them out...who cares...let them. Really. Who are we to say they can or can't? Look at the messes we've put our noses in? Our track record flat out sucks!

DrMaddVibe wrote:





HELL YEAH!

(See rfenst, that's how it's done!)
HockeyDad
14 years ago

If hoping and praying that there won't be war for many, many reasons, despite it appearing virtually inevitable (absent divine intervention), is "dramatic", then I certainly am.

rfenst wrote:




Look at the war as divine intervention. Now there is no need to pray to stop it. Problem solved.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

Meh..he shudda hedged his wins with a short position that losing mighta been a slight possibility!

Glass half-full!!!🍺

DrMaddVibe wrote:





Disclaimer: Le HockeyDad has placed absolutely no bets on the upcoming war yet. Timing is everything.
rfenst
14 years ago

They're a nation that either has (and hasn't declared it formally!) or hasn't (see Saddam Hussein's plan of crying WMD to his neighbors and how THAT turned out for him!) nuclear capabilities of dealing with it's foes.

They've shown that they can handle their own fights and why they weren't allowed in on the whole "War on Terror" at the beginning is beyond me! They don't need our permission to flyover and take out the Iranian facilities. Facilities that even the House of Saud has cried they shouldn't have! They don't need us for one damn thing. We're not their "big bully brother" waiting to see if the fight's fair to enter into the fray.

Let them take care of their own business and let the UN deal with them...or not...either way, they're a soverign nation...Iran has to deal with it...not us...it's pure provacation that the rest of the Iranian population has to deal with their leadership! If the general census is that they don't want what these crazy hellbent on a holy war holy rollers let THEM deal with overthrowing the sharia system they voted in! Either that or they're complicit with the whole thing and want to feel the warm glow of a nuclear blast.

It's not a United States issue at all. We've meddled in their affairs far too long with no positive results. Short term solutions and scads of useless Nobel Peace Prize winners and people getting rich while the poor get poorer. They want to take them out...who cares...let them. Really. Who are we to say they can or can't? Look at the messes we've put our noses in? Our track record flat out sucks!

DrMaddVibe wrote:



You are right. It is not currently the U.S.'s direct problem. We should do everything to stay out of it. But at the very least, once oil flow diminishes and world prices jump over night, then it does become our real economic business. We may not see U.S. military dropping bombs, but you can bet it all that the U.S has already and will inevitably give Israel whatever under-the-radar resources it can.
rfenst
14 years ago

Look at the war as divine intervention. Now there is no need to pray to stop it. Problem solved.

HockeyDad wrote:



If war were a divine intervention, then there simply would be no need for war.

I am of the opinion that man almost always lives with free will and that divine intervention, known as a miracle, for better or worse is a very, very rare-event and not to be counted on.
HockeyDad
14 years ago
Many religious believe that God controls everything. To them God is going to start this war.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

You are right. It is not currently the U.S.'s direct problem. We should do everything to stay out of it. But at the very least, once oil flow diminishes and world prices jump over night, then it does become our real economic business. We may not see U.S. military dropping bombs, but you can bet it all that the U.S has already and will inevitably give Israel whatever under-the-radar resources it can.

rfenst wrote:




http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-risky-attack-iran-wants-diplomatic-fix-002001512.html 

See, he cudda done something about this back in the spring of 2009...he didn't because he's not an effectual leader!

Our fuel prices have shot up and will continue to because of Iran's insistence of closing or controlling the St. of Hormuz already.

We might act as an air controller for them...but the rest of the world won't know it! For that very same reason Russia and China will aid and line their pockets with their weaponry too. It's faulty and shaky at best but we won't sell them our stuff!
Stinkdyr
14 years ago

They're a nation that either has (and hasn't declared it formally!) or hasn't (see Saddam Hussein's plan of crying WMD to his neighbors and how THAT turned out for him!) nuclear capabilities of dealing with it's foes.

They've shown that they can handle their own fights and why they weren't allowed in on the whole "War on Terror" at the beginning is beyond me! They don't need our permission to flyover and take out the Iranian facilities. Facilities that even the House of Saud has cried they shouldn't have! They don't need us for one damn thing. We're not their "big bully brother" waiting to see if the fight's fair to enter into the fray.

Let them take care of their own business and let the UN deal with them...or not...either way, they're a soverign nation...Iran has to deal with it...not us...it's pure provacation that the rest of the Iranian population has to deal with their leadership! If the general census is that they don't want what these crazy hellbent on a holy war holy rollers let THEM deal with overthrowing the sharia system they voted in! Either that or they're complicit with the whole thing and want to feel the warm glow of a nuclear blast.

It's not a United States issue at all. We've meddled in their affairs far too long with no positive results. Short term solutions and scads of useless Nobel Peace Prize winners and people getting rich while the poor get poorer. They want to take them out...who cares...let them. Really. Who are we to say they can or can't? Look at the messes we've put our noses in? Our track record flat out sucks!

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Well said. Amen to that my botl!

As I have said many times, since Israel and Puerto Rico are both our wefare byches, let's start calling some shots that work for USA. Move Israel to Vieques......problema solved.

🌫
HockeyDad
14 years ago


See, he cudda done something about this back in the spring of 2009...he didn't because he's not an effectual leader!

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Obama could give the attack order today but........WWRPD?

(What Would Ron Paul Do)
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Obama could give the attack order today but........WWRPD?

(What Would Ron Paul Do)

HockeyDad wrote:




Who cares what Ron Paul would do? His stance is similar to mine. That's why I voted for the man. That's why I'm an ardent supporter of his books. He's been unwaivering with a track record spanning 30 years. Now being associated with the Constitution is en vogue. Thanks for playing catch up. He was right and the guy to fix what's ailing America right now.

The Globalists have their man ushered in to take Obama's throne away.

Ron Paul will be another historic figure that was relagated down...just like Thomas Paine, H. Ross Perot and a host of thousands!

Just business...but you already KNEW that!
DrafterX
14 years ago

His stance is similar to mine.

DrMaddVibe wrote:





TW has a wide stance.... or so I've heard anyway... 😟
pgje51
14 years ago
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Albert Einstein.
HockeyDad
14 years ago
For every investment argument, there is a counter argument.

We've all pretty much reached the conclusion that Israel will attack Iran soon and we all support it.......but.....

Maybe we're all wrong and an Israeli attack isn't so likely...



Does Iran have deliverable nuclear weapons now? No.

If Israel attacks Iran now does that mean Iran would never get nuclear weapons? No, it would postpone that outcome for at most a year or two.

If Israel attacks Iranian nuclear installations would that ensure future peace between the two countries? No.

Would it make it less likely that the Tehran regime uses such weapons to strike at Israel in future? No. It would have the exact opposite effect. It would ensure direct warfare between the two countries and might make Iran’s use of nuclear weapons against Israel in the future a certainty.

Would an attack by Israel be likely to succeed in doing maximum damage? No.


While considering your investment options, here is some light reading.

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/ 

...and some nice music...

8trackdisco
14 years ago
I heard there is yellow cake uranium and a strong link to Al-Queida.

Let's have war! We can afford it!
rfenst
14 years ago
"Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove 'this corrupting material. It is a ‘jurisprudential justification' to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.' ”


http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/ 
rfenst
14 years ago

I heard there is yellow cake uranium and a strong link to Al-Queida.

Let's have war! We can afford it!

8trackdisco wrote:




Yellowcake is the part of the story that didn't come out until the end of the real part of the war. And, it is not to be ignored as it is another step along the way to weapons grade uranium. It is also suitable for "dirty bomb" which we all know Iraq was capable of delivering by missile. I think we knew all about it BEFORE the attack and that the U.S. hid its knowledge of it for security reasons and to prevent Iraq from being able to dis[pose of it in an attempt to avoid all out war.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

"Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove 'this corrupting material. It is a ‘jurisprudential justification' to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.' ”


http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/ 

rfenst wrote:




It is an outrage. Israel should attack. (Of course this rhetoric has been going on for about 30 years. Israel has been screaming about Iranian nukes for over 20 years but, now it is different.)
HockeyDad
14 years ago

It is also suitable for "dirty bomb" which we all know Iraq was capable of delivering by missile.

rfenst wrote:



Delivering it by missile to whom? The Coalition of the Willling???

By the way yellow cake in a dirty bomb wouldn't be very dirty at all. That isn't really a threat.

The yellow cake in Iraq was always known about and was under supervision of UN inspectors. The invented yellow cake from Niger was the yellow cake that Iraq couldn't prove it didn't have because it was all faked documents.



....but none of this has any bearing on the current Iran war buildup.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

The yellow cake in Iraq was always known about and was under supervision of UN inspectors. The invented yellow cake from Niger was the yellow cake that Iraq couldn't prove it didn't have because it was all faked documents.

HockeyDad wrote:




That Colin Powell sold off really well...don't take my word for it though...



Part 1 of 5...be sure to watch the other 4 too.
HockeyDad
14 years ago
I liked this version better.




....but like I said, none of this has any bearing on the current Iran war buildup. The US and Israel would never even consider using that same ruse that got us into the war with Iraq.

This is serious this time....this is an existential threat....we're facing an immunity zone.
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