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IF920
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14 years ago

Liberal government hurting religion? This was the editorial posted in the community views section of our regional newspaper along with a short article written and submitted as a letter to the editor. The writer of the article refers to many of our current polticians as CINOS ( Christains in Name Only ) He refers to these people as leftist leaning individuals that offer up new sugar coated tactics to tempt people to accept an atheist form of a dictatorial type of government rule.

The individual goes on to say that this election cycle may be our last chance to save our constitution by rejecting the CINOS and elect true Christians to the Presidency, Congress and State Legislators. The one thing he forgot to mention is. Who are the true christians? Maybe some of the cigarbid forum people can weigh in with an opinion or let us know who you think the true christians are. I thought his article was well written, but a little / lot hypocritical and pretty damn funny. It brought to mind a song from Pat McCurdy called GOD. Google it and read the lyrics. I think this article writer thinks this is " What God Likes " Read the lyrics and you will see what I am talking about.

I put this out here for discussion only. It would be interseting to see what you think, and maybe some good feed back.

IF920

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HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

Obama is a Muslim

ZRX1200
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

Oh God.

Some lefties don't like being preached to, some hate religion and some want to abolish organized religion and prefer communism.

Plenty of lefties also go to church as well.

ZRX1200
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

Oh God.

Some lefties don't like being preached to, some hate religion and some want to abolish organized religion and prefer communism.

Plenty of lefties also go to church as well.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

Romney is a moron.

daveincincy
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

CEO's would probably say they are "Christians." Oh...CEO stands for "Christmas and Easter Only." 😇

raymallen
Connoisseur

14 years ago

Romney is a moron.

HockeyDad wrote:

But he's the best option...

z6joker9
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

Even if you elect a Christian, that person is obligated to make choices based on the wishes of the people he represents, both Christian and non-Christian.

Though from what you said, it doesn't sound like he's afraid of government hurting religion, but that a lack of religion will hurt government- i.e. turn into a "dictatorial type of government rule." Though liberals are unlikely to create such a government because that sort of authoritarianism goes against the spirit of liberalism.

bloody spaniard
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

I think that part of the problem arises from Thomas Jefferson's oft misquoted reference in a letter to some Baptists regarding the "separation between church and state" which merely refers to his opposition to the establishment of a state religion nothing more. This phrase is used as a club by the left to justify secularism & to downplay (or ignore) the founding father's acknowledgment of the importance for maintaining this country's Judeo-Christian roots if the country is to survive.

As far as who the "real Christians" are - I assume that you are using this as generic reference for all "good people" (not just Christians per se, otherwise I would have to question your motives) - you will know them by their acts not necessarily by their speech.

Nice to meetcha, IF920.

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daveincincy
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#10

Does "IF" stand for Incognito Fuzz? 🤔

z6joker9
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14 years ago

#11

bloody spaniard wrote:

I'm not sure it's misquoted: "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

This was during his presidency as well, and is often considered the basic effect of the first amendment. If the founding fathers felt like the country should maintain christian roots, why did they immediately create an amendment preventing it?

I assume that you are using this as generic reference for all "good people" (not just Christians per se, otherwise I would have to question your motives)

bloody spaniard wrote:

^^^Yup

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bloody spaniard
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#12

z6joker9 wrote:

They did not want a Government that was guided by the specific tenets of any ONE denomination or religion for that matter. They had, however, incorporated their Judeo-Christian beliefs into every day American life. This is evident every time a secularist attempts to shut down prayer, nativity scenes, mention of God, and other religious traditions intertwined into our culture.

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z6joker9
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#13

bloody spaniard wrote:

I'm not sure they incorporated them specifically, or rather if people grouped by culture naturally did in their specific areas, and the "secular" attempts at removing them are simply the original Bill of Rights finally reaching those holdouts. I mean, it wasn't until the 14th amendment that the Bill of Rights applied on a state level. Let's also not forget what other cultural aspects were incorporated into every day life by early Americans even though it was against the spirit of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and were also later removed by additional amendments and court cases, such as slavery and a lack of women's rights.

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tweoijfoi
Connoisseur

14 years ago

#14

Madison, the "father of the constitution", was very much for the separate of church and state (secular government). This is well documented.

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dstieger
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#15

Every time I hear anyone advocating for Mr. Santorum, I worry a lot more about religion's potential influence on government than I do about the reverse.

tweoijfoi
Connoisseur

14 years ago

#16

Every time I hear anyone advocating for Mr. Santorum, I worry a lot more about religion's potential influence on government than I do about the reverse.

dstieger wrote:

I am curious why, particularly lately, republican candidates feel the need to stress how their religion has and will influence their decision making. This is a major departure from past candidates, who had to stress how religion would NOT influence their decision making, while still showing that they had a religious side.