teedubbya
13 years ago
Homie great to see you my friend.
drywalldog
13 years ago
So if I read that long post correctly, if the middle class isnt working for a living wage the whole ponzi scheme collapes, unless the uber rich want to pay all the taxes?
Homebrew
13 years ago
Hey TeeDub,
I hope all is well, with you and yours.

Pretty Much Drywalldog. With the middle class shrinking, and the poor not having the money, the wealthy, and corporations, are the only ones left to tax. The Republicans don't have the will to raise taxes, and they only are willing to cut spending on Medicare, and Social Security, that is no longer financially viable, because they joined in the raiding of the SS trustfund, and are not willing to pay it back. And since they only want to cut programs that help the poor, there is no way that they will not continue to borrow to fund corporate welfare, military spending, and of course additional tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. Of course, they haven't named any specifics on their spending, or taxation plans, unless you count the Ryan budget, which is political suicide, to enact. The Ryan plan sounds pretty good, until the people realize what those cuts mean to their personal bottom line.

My whole argument, is nonpartisan in nature, but it all ties back into the loss of the middle class. It is interesting to me, that corporations, outsourced millions of middle class jobs, and in effect, killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Now that the worlds largest, consumer base, has been decimated, who is going to buy their products. I mean when they are paying the chinese, to build consumer electronics, that the workers themselves can not afford. And all the jobs that are being created in the US, with the exception of a few energy sector jobs, are minimum wage. Who is left to buy their consumer electronics, but the wealthy. And there are just so many of the wealthy to go around. It turns the corporate culture, into a circular firing squad, except for government money, which is being borrowed, until the big default.

Later.
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
Homebrew, I am saddened by your two posts because they remind me of how far we've fallen.

I think that there's still a chance we can rebound by possibly lightening the tax load & eliminating bureaucratic hurdles on small business but the jury's out on that actually helping. The days of Stockman's trickle down economics were more of a boon to the corporations than they were to the small tricklee.
Homebrew
13 years ago

Homebrew, I am saddened by your two posts because they remind me of how far we've fallen.

I think that there's still a chance we can rebound by possibly lightening the tax load & eliminating bureaucratic hurdles on small business but the jury's out on that actually helping. The days of Stockman's trickle down economics were more of a boon to the corporations than they were to the small tricklee.

bloody spaniard wrote:



Sorry,
but I am pretty sure, that is way too little too late, and without middle class customers, how would that help the small business. In my opinion, the only way to help, which would have the corporate leaders, and the wealthy, screaming like an 18 year old Sandusky cellmate, is through the abolishing of all free trade agreements, and enacting hefty tariffs. But even that, is too little too late.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
ZRX1200
13 years ago
^ well I'm glad to at least see ya posting Dave.


I will always believe America is salvageable. It has to be for the worlds sake. Medicare and SS are both socialist in nature to me but at least the folks receiving benefits are/have paid into it. I think people have to be realistic about a ponzy scheme though. No matter how well intentioned you creat a middle man.

Modern beurocracy is nothing more than a facist centralized middleman. I have no faith in a "party" to be my protection anymore (DWD this is usually my only disagreement with you). A middle man who's operational budget is provided by its sheep and who's salaries are paid by pure profiteers.

One issue votes and protected income sources are keeping the country divided and we need to quit ankle grabbing.

Homebrew
13 years ago

^ well I'm glad to at least see ya posting Dave.


I will always believe America is salvageable. It has to be for the worlds sake. Medicare and SS are both socialist in nature to me but at least the folks receiving benefits are/have paid into it. I think people have to be realistic about a ponzy scheme though. No matter how well intentioned you creat a middle man.

Modern beurocracy is nothing more than a facist centralized middleman. I have no faith in a "party" to be my protection anymore (DWD this is usually my only disagreement with you). A middle man who's operational budget is provided by its sheep and who's salaries are paid by pure profiteers.

One issue votes and protected income sources are keeping the country divided and we need to quit ankle grabbing.

ZRX1200 wrote:


Here is my problem with what is going on with Ryans' plan for SS. I have paid in for over 35 years, and I have not gotten anything in return. If he has his way, then they will keep pushing back the retirement age, and I will not get anything, of what I have put in. Here is the second part. The SS trust fund has been raided, by both parties, to pay for things it was never intended for. These stolen monies, will never be paid back, and they should be, with interest. Giving tax breaks, and then borrowing more money and throwing it down a rat hole, like both parties have done, is not going to replace the money stolen by both parties. So instead, I get screwed.

Typical, of both parties.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. I would like to post more, but with driving 70 hours a week, and then the work I have to do to keep my house from falling down around my ears, there isn't much leisure time left. Just the occasional Sunday. By the way, when I bought this house, it was a fixer upper, and I am just now, 15 years later, getting around to remodeling.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
Quick question before I run... how's the barbecue business, Dave? Hope you're doing fine.
Homebrew
13 years ago

Quick question before I run... how's the barbecue business, Dave? Hope you're doing fine.

bloody spaniard wrote:


Had to close last summer, and went to driving the truck. While it was making ends meet, I wasn't making enough money, to justify the hours worked. I still miss doing it, but I really needed to fix this house up, and the money wasn't there, in the BBQ business.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
wheelrite
13 years ago

Had to close last summer, and went to driving the truck. While it was making ends meet, I wasn't making enough money, to justify the hours worked. I still miss doing it, but I really needed to fix this house up, and the money wasn't there, in the BBQ business.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

Homebrew wrote:



Best of wishes to ya !
rfenst
13 years ago

Best of wishes to ya !

wheelrite wrote:



+1
Same girlfriend as the one whose sister you used to date?
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

If people don't factor who the VP candidate is, then why is there such a big deal made about it?


I do think a good or bad VP candidate can influence a vote, particularly in a close/toss-up state- when the candidate is revered within that state.

I also think that a VP candidate can hurt a ticket. Choosing Sarah Palin was one an important factors in my decision not to vote for the old guy with gray hair.

Rubio would help carry Florida. Jeb Bush would too. These are just a couple examples from Florida, which is considered one of the top few must win states.

Pretty much every state probably has one potential VP candidate who could change the vote in that state- albeit not always enough to carry that state.

rfenst wrote:




Pretty funny you didn't mention Plugs O'Biden...out of all the people you did mention...they mop the floor with him in every category imaginable. Then again there will be people that will vote for the Kenyan King again because they can't help themselves.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

So if I read that long post correctly, if the middle class isnt working for a living wage the whole ponzi scheme collapes, unless the uber rich want to pay all the taxes?

drywalldog wrote:




You can lead a horse to water....


🐴
Buckwheat
13 years ago

Not really....I was playing for the other team. I even had an invite to one of Reagan's inaugural balls.

HockeyDad wrote:



The left one or the right one?
DrafterX
13 years ago

The left one or the right one?

Buckwheat wrote:



the inaugural one.... 😟
ZRX1200
13 years ago
The Paul Ryan Record – Not as Fiscally Conservative as You Think By Marcus Tully - August 11, 2012 at 8:57 AM Filed under Bailout , Debt & Spending , Economy , Elections , Presidential

With the selection of Paul Ryan as Mitt Romney’s running mate in the 2012 election, Romney is hoping to strengthen his credentials as a budget cutting “deficit hawk” through association with Ryan’s famous budget plan. Given the other choices which Romney was considering this is probably a good overall choice. As Republican Liberty Caucus Chairman Dave Nalle said in response to the announcement:

“While Paul Ryan is by no means the most exciting or creative choice for a running mate, his selection does suggest that there would be an emphasis on budget cutting in a Romney/Ryan administration. Using the Ryan plan as a starting point and with the addition of deeper cuts and more significant reforms to entitlements, Republicans controlling both houses of Congress and the Presidency might be able to pull the country back from the brink of the fiscal abyss.”

The problem is that Ryan’s reputation as a fiscal conservative may not have much substance to it and his positions on other key issues are at the very least worrisome. He has received a great deal of press for a budget plan which does include some cuts and restructuring of medicare, but despite fearmongering from the left, the cuts are far too small and the reforms too limited to really pull us back from the edge of the abyss of debt which faces the nation.

The Ryan plan might be a good starting point if it was augmented with more substantial spending reductions and more comprehensive entitlement reform, but that would require a very proactive and fiscally conservative Congress. By itself it is just not sufficient. It takes a decade to balance the budget and potentially 40 years to deal with the debt, by which time there may be no economy left to save.

In addition, Ryan’s record on spending and other budgetary issues gives little hope that he is terribly serious about promoting limited government. In 2010 the Republican Liberty Caucus of Wisconsin published an analysis of his record and the report is not encouraging. I am reprinting it here in its entirety for those who are concerned about Ryan’s real credentials as a fiscal conservative.

Increasingly our Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan has become a national media darling. Representative Ryan is consistently being promoted on social media networks and by the Republican Party of Wisconsin and the nationwide “free market” group Americans for Prosperity.The fact of the matter is that Congressman Ryan voted with George W. Bush 94% of the time. That’s why Ryan’s 2007 Republican Liberty Caucus Liberty Indexscore,which ranks members of Congress on their voting record from a constitutional perspective,was 91% on economic issues but only 56% on social issues. In 2006,his score on the Liberty Indexwas 66% on economic issues and 67% on social issues. He has scored better on the Liberty Index; his 2008 score,for example,was 88 both on social and economic issues —an impressive score.It appears that when Paul Ryan’s party is doing the spending,raising debt limits,and acting unconstitutionally… Ryan goes with the flow.

Congressman Ryan’s actual record leaves much to be desired.

The issue Ryan is most known for is his interest in cutting the deficit and balancing the budget.

But why did the Congressman vote to bail out the auto industry, to pass the Medicare package to the tune of $400 billion, and to nationalize education via No Child Left Behind?

Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli -Voted YES on TARP (2008) -Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008) -Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008) -Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs -Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003) -Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006) -Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008) -Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)

Paul Ryan on Education Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.

-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)

Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties -Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005) -Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005) -Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)

Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad -Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002) -Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003) -Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006) -Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)

Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi trillion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.

According to Michelle Malkin in 2009, “[Paul Ryan] gave one of the most hysterical speeches in the rush to pass TARP last fall; voted for the auto bailout; and voted with the Barney Frank-Nancy Pelosi AIG bonus-bashing stampede. Milwaukee blogger Nick Schweitzer wrote: ‘He ought to be apologizing for his previous votes, not pretending he was being responsible the entire time, but I don’t see one bit of regret for what he did previously. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to let him get away with it’.”

Congressman Ryan: if you don’t like debt, stop voting for debt.

Ryan’s record of fiscal irresponsibility has continued beyond 2010 when this article was written. He has since voted to raise the debt ceiling multiple times and approved ongoing extensions of military spending on unnecessary foreign wars. To be fair his record on fiscal issues has become increasingly mixed. He has voted against foreign aid, farm subsidies and some other specific spending increases as well.

Possibly of even greater concern is Ryan’s ongoing record of absolute irresponsibility in the area of civil liberties. Since 2010 Ryan has been on the wrong side of almost every important vote involving basic Constitutionally protected rights. He voted to extend the PATRIOT Act, for CISPA, for DOMA, for the NDAA (three times), to expand the Department of Homeland Security, to extend troop commitments in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya and to give the President the power to appoint department heads without Senatorial approval. At a time when more and more Republicans are waking up to the threat of expanded government power to operate without observing traditional limits on their police power these votes are a major concern.

TARP, bailouts, entitlement expansion, endless military spending and bigger, more intrusive and less constitutional government. Is the Ryan record an example of the kind of policies a financially imperiled nation needs and which grassroots Republicans are demanding? Ryan is probably a gesture in the right direction, but Liberty Republicans should be concerned that the gesture is more symbol than substance and demand a clear and aggressive fiscal plan from the Romney campaign.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

the inaugural one.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




Well I'm ever upper-class high society
God's gift to ballroom notoriety
And I always fill my ballroom
The event is never small
The social pages say I've got
The biggest balls of all
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
Good ole AC/DC. I remember that album with the GOOD lead singer.



No need to be concerned, Z. Romney/Ryan will not be elected.
Your guy, on the other hand, will live to run again and again and again...👍
Papachristou
13 years ago


Still won't vote for Obama but likely will not vote for Romney either. Not sure yet.

teedubbya wrote:



huh?
rfenst
13 years ago

Pretty funny you didn't mention Plugs O'Biden...out of all the people you did mention...they mop the floor with him in every category imaginable. Then again there will be people that will vote for the Kenyan King again because they can't help themselves.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



So, do you agree that the selection of a VP candidate can influence the vote?
How about that Rubio and Marco could sway some Florida votes to the Romney ticket?
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