sd72
12 years ago
Yup, you should wait and see if your kids are failures before you worry about an outside entity ruining life for them.
scompay
12 years ago
Perhaps if people put as much effort into ensuring their children's success, it wouldnt matter what an outside entity did. (folks in third world countries do this all the time)

But heh, if unloading a mag makes the situation better, or prepping with 5 years worth of groceries, then each to their own.
tailgater
12 years ago

The people paying top bracket taxes are still laughing. What's not posted is the thousands of loopholes, write offs, and back doors.

I'm paying a higher percentage of my income to taxes than any billionaire. And I'm a hundredaire.

Why didn't Romney want his tax returns made public? Buffets secretary still pays more % than he does.

sd72 wrote:



Wow.
You want some time to recant?

Sure, there are loop holes, etc.
But stick to reality.


Higher percentage than any billionaire? Not on your wages you aren't.
Unless you're paying a voluntary additional amount.

And if you think Romney must be hiding something, then you MUST be a "birther" as well. I mean, Obama hid his birth records longer than Romney hid his taxes.
And Obama has NEVER released his college records. Think of the possibilities: From using a foreign status to secure loans and/or admission. To writing anti-american or pro-marxist viewpoint while editor of the Harvard paper.

Because you would NEVER be so hypocritical to believe only Romney was hiding something, would you?

At least we can agree that a flat tax is the way to go.
No loop holes.
Earn X amount, pay a fixed percentage of X.

Earning MORE of X shouldn't be a penalty.
sd72
12 years ago
So it's whoop up on Steve day I see.

32% income tax, add property, sales, lisence, registration, gas, tobacco, plus, plus plus taxes.

I'd guess I keep about 40%.

60% tax ain't so bad I guess.
Bitter Klinger
12 years ago

Bitter... you strike me as one of those old guys who forwards on every frantic email he gets, without ever bothering to check. This is just another one of those.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/2014-Tax-Increases.htm#.U1LLPfldWSo 

And TMC....string of consonants... TPwhatever, you may want to make sure it's "factual tax info" before hitching your wagon to it.

victor809 wrote:



That's funny, because you strike me as someone living in Sec. 8 housing, voting for a living off the public dole, awkwardly indignant as others point out the damage done by those you vote for.

Your link pretty much validated everything I posted - did you bother to read any of it?


On the bright side, it also listed just a couple more facts that were left out, like:

The Obamacarefacts.com site listed the following taxes and tax credits relating to the Affordable Care Act:
ObamaCare Taxes That Most Likely Won't Directly Affect the Average American


(Because no true average American uses medical devices, tanning booths, medical insurance, hospitals, name-brand drugs, generic drugs or medicare, right?)

Here's your list:

• 2.3% Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers 2014

• 10% Tax on Indoor Tanning Services 2014

• Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike

• Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals which fail to comply with the requirements of ObamaCare

• Tax on Brand Name Drugs

• Tax on Health Insurers

• $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives

• Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D

• Employer Mandate on business with over 50 full-time equivalent employees to provide health insurance to full-time employees. $2000 per employee $3000 if employee uses tax credits to buy insurance on the exchange (marketplace). (pushed back to 2015)

• Medicare Tax on Investment Income 3.8% over $200k/$250k

• Medicare Part A Tax increase of .9% over $200k/$250k

• Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (not a tax)

• Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting (repealed)

• Codification of the "economic substance doctrine" (not a tax)

ObamaCare Taxes That (may) Directly Affect the Average American

• 40% Excise Tax "Cadillac" on high-end Premium Health Insurance Plans 2018

• An annual $63 fee levied by ObamaCare on all plans (decreased each year until 2017 when pre-existing conditions are eliminated) to help pay for insurance companies covering the costs of high-risk pools.

• Medicine Cabinet Tax
Over the counter medicines no longer qualified as medical expenses for flexible spending accounts (FSAs), health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs), health savings accounts (HSAs), and Archer Medical Saving accounts (MSAs).

• Additional Tax on HSA/MSA Distributions
Health savings account or an Archer medical savings account, penalties for spending money on non-qualified medical expenses. 10% to 20% in the case of a HSA and from 15% to 20% in the case of a MSA.

• Flexible Spending Account Cap 2013
Contributions to FSAs are reduced to $2,500 from $5,000.

• Medical Deduction Threshold tax increase 2013
Threshold to deduct medical expenses as an itemized deduction increases to 10% from 7.5%.

• Individual Mandate (the tax for not purchasing insurance if you can afford it) 2014
Starting in 2014, anyone not buying "qualifying" health insurance must pay an income tax surtax at a rate of 1% or $95 in 2014 to 2.5% in 2016 on profitable income above the tax threshold. The total penalty amount cannot exceed the national average of the annual premiums of a "bronze level" health insurance plan on ObamaCare exchanges.

Guess that was more than a couple,huh?

Oh, hey, Paul? Your wagons hitched up just fine, buddy. The 2016 wagon train is gonna leave dirt all over the faces of the idiots who did this, too. That's why they're scrambling to hide as much of it as they can.

And wait 'til the employer mandate hits...yeah...🌫

You need any more checking, you let me know, Vic! [frypan] [frypan] [frypan] [frypan] [frypan] [frypan]
tailgater
12 years ago

So it's whoop up on Steve day I see.

32% income tax, add property, sales, lisence, registration, gas, tobacco, plus, plus plus taxes.

I'd guess I keep about 40%.

60% tax ain't so bad I guess.

sd72 wrote:



"60% is a good place to start"
-B.H. Obama

victor809
12 years ago

That's funny, because you strike me as someone living in Sec. 8 housing, voting for a living off the public dole, awkwardly indignant as others point out the damage done by those you vote for.

Bitter Klinger wrote:


I never credited you for too much brilliance. But this is a cigar forum. The people here generally pay money for a bundle of leaves and then burn them. Not exactly a "sec 8 housing" type of habit.


Your link pretty much validated everything I posted - did you bother to read any of it?


Really? Then you can't read. Apparently we're going to have to go through this point by point.


Top Income tax bracket went from 35% to 39.6%


as the link pointed out, the top tax bracket was 39.6% before, and is 39.6% after. Who qualifies for the top bracket has changed, but your statement never included that. If you can't get this, I'm not sure you're qualified to read any further.


Top Income payroll tax went from 37.4% to 52.2%


This doesn't even exist. There is no "income payroll tax". The idea that you'd think my link, which doesn't list fantasy land taxes, would prove your point just shows you don't understand it.


Capital Gains tax went from 15% to 28%


My link states that it went to 20%. It's in a nice handy little chart. I don't see how you could possibly miss it. Unless, you were just going down to the highest number and not realizing that it didn't apply to general capital gains... could that be it? Could your reading comprehension be as bad as the person who threw your list together? Yeah....


Dividends tax went from 15% to 39.6%


This isn't even mentioned in my link. But since you asked:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323689604578219952168695148 
If you are making less than 400k annually, your dividend taxes don't change. If you're making more than 400k, your dividends go up to 20%. The 39.6% is a completely false and made up number. You've been duped.


Estate tax went from 0% to 55%


That's just false. Estate tax is 0% for any amount under 5.6MM... and the top tax rate does not reach 55%.



On the bright side, it also listed just a couple more facts that were left out, like:


Your reading comprehension is so poor, I don't think you could identify a fact nor understand what a tax actually applies to.
tailgater
12 years ago

... The people here generally pay money for a bundle of leaves and then burn them. Not exactly a "sec 8 housing" type of habit.


victor809 wrote:



Ummm, it's highly likely that a more inaccurate statement may never have been made.

In fact, it would be an understandable mistake for an onlooker to conclude that smoking is a prerequisite to receive section 8 housing.




















cacman
12 years ago

But this is a cigar forum. The people here generally pay money for a bundle of leaves and then burn them. Not exactly a "sec 8 housing" type of habit.

victor809 wrote:


LOL!!! Got blunts?
victor809
12 years ago

Ummm, it's highly likely that a more inaccurate statement may never have been made.

In fact, it would be an understandable mistake for an onlooker to conclude that smoking is a prerequisite to receive section 8 housing.

tailgater wrote:



Smoking, yes. Smoking 10-20$ cigars which don't provide any high. No.
victor809
12 years ago

LOL!!! Got blunts?

cacman wrote:



No, do you?
Do you suspect that anyone on this forum does?
tailgater
12 years ago

Smoking, yes. Smoking 10-20$ cigars which don't provide any high. No.

victor809 wrote:



Not talking about getting high.
A 2-pack a day habit costs over $10 daily.
How many on these boards smoke more than $10 worth every day?


scompay
12 years ago

Not talking about getting high.
A 2-pack a day habit costs over $10 daily.
How many on these boards smoke more than $10 worth every day?


tailgater wrote:



LOL, 2 packs a day lol, that does not leave time to cough phelm bro.
tailgater
12 years ago

LOL, 2 packs a day lol, that does not leave time to cough phelm bro.

scompay wrote:



??
Most people who claim "pack a day" are closer to 2 than 1.

Most office jobs don't allow that much smoke time, but how many in section 8 (our subject here) work in the office?

scompay
12 years ago

??
Most people who claim "pack a day" are closer to 2 than 1.

Most office jobs don't allow that much smoke time, but how many in section 8 (our subject here) work in the office?

tailgater wrote:



No dude, its not a conspiracy. you are mistaken.

you will rarely find someone that smokes 2 packs a day. Even 1 pack is hard; nowadays. And to what end? its not going to be fun, it will be chain smoking. I smoked hard when I was younger, pack was the best i could do. Some hard core brothers could push it to pack and a half. BTW those folks in section 8 aint smoking good cigarettes, those floor sweeping and roll your own buglers will have you coughing blood the next week at 2 packs a day.

RIP Tupac.[-o< this man did not mean anything by it.
cacman
12 years ago

No, do you?
Do you suspect that anyone on this forum does?

victor809 wrote:


What makes you think there isn't anybody who doesn't. It's a broad generalization to say that no one doesn't, especially considering some of the crap on the bid and 2nds & overruns on the site. Maybe they don't post. But who knows if there isn't someone out there that doesn't enjoy their backwoods or swisher. Guess you never heard of people selling their EBT Cards so they could buy tobacco, liquor, drugs, etc.

you will rarely find someone that smokes 2 packs a day. Even 1 pack is hard; nowadays.

scompay wrote:


What makes you think you know so much about all smokers? Just another broad generalization based on personal opinion. There are plenty out there that smoke 2+ packs a day, just as there are those that smoke upwards of 8+ cigars a day.

Sounds like a couple of silver-spooners that like to stereo-type. Phfffft!
victor809
12 years ago

What makes you think there isn't anybody who doesn't. It's a broad generalization to say that no one doesn't, especially considering some of the crap on the bid and 2nds & overruns on the site. Maybe they don't post. But who knows if there isn't someone out there that doesn't enjoy their backwoods or swisher. Guess you never heard of people selling their EBT Cards so they could by tobacco, liquor, drugs, etc.

cacman wrote:



I think you miss my point.
I watch people on the gov't dole smoking cheap cigars and whatnot. Hell, there's a "cigar shop" practically every 2 blocks where I live, but not a single good cigar to be found.

My point is, that I doubt the people who smoke swisher sweets or whatever are on a discount cigar forum for three reasons. 1 - cbid doesn't sell swisher sweets... why would they be here. 2 - purchase over cbid requires credit cards/debit cards, etc, stuff which while possible when in sec 8 are more of a challenge. and 3 - this forum is ostensibly about discussing the merits of different cigars based on tobacco, roller etc... swisher sweets are closer to cigarettes than cigars in that respect.
cacman
12 years ago
^^^ I get your point, but still think it's a broad generalization. It doesn't account for those that choose to smoke swisher, handmades, and other discount cigars that are not on the guberment teet. They are sold on CI and those buyers might venture to the Bid for the occasional celebratory smoke. It doesn't mean they're poor.
HockeyDad
12 years ago

^^^ I get your point, but still think it's a broad generalization. It doesn't account for those that choose to smoke swisher, handmades, and other discount cigars that are not on the guberment teet. They are sold on CI and those buyers might venture to the Bid for the occasional celebratory smoke. It doesn't mean they're poor.

cacman wrote:




I still wouldn't associate with them.
Bitter Klinger
12 years ago

I never credited you for too much brilliance. But this is a cigar forum. The people here generally pay money for a bundle of leaves and then burn them. Not exactly a "sec 8 housing" type of habit.


Really? Then you can't read. Apparently we're going to have to go through this point by point.

as the link pointed out, the top tax bracket was 39.6% before, and is 39.6% after. Who qualifies for the top bracket has changed, but your statement never included that. If you can't get this, I'm not sure you're qualified to read any further.

This doesn't even exist. There is no "income payroll tax". The idea that you'd think my link, which doesn't list fantasy land taxes, would prove your point just shows you don't understand it.


My link states that it went to 20%. It's in a nice handy little chart. I don't see how you could possibly miss it. Unless, you were just going down to the highest number and not realizing that it didn't apply to general capital gains... could that be it? Could your reading comprehension be as bad as the person who threw your list together? Yeah....


This isn't even mentioned in my link. But since you asked:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323689604578219952168695148 
If you are making less than 400k annually, your dividend taxes don't change. If you're making more than 400k, your dividends go up to 20%. The 39.6% is a completely false and made up number. You've been duped.


That's just false. Estate tax is 0% for any amount under 5.6MM... and the top tax rate does not reach 55%.


Your reading comprehension is so poor, I don't think you could identify a fact nor understand what a tax actually applies to.

victor809 wrote:



Good Job, Grasshopper.

I'll concede a couple points up there until I can find supporting info elsewhere, however they are not all wrong, of that I'm sure. But it got you thinkin' didn't it, Vic? You seem to backpedal on the issue by stating you didn't agree with the AHA to some extent. So, even though a couple of the items above are arguing semantics, lets let those lie for now.

Lesson #2: Pick the following apart. The last item discusses the individual mandate. Compare & contrast the individual mandate with the employer mandate, and hypothesize the reasonable resulting consequences thereof. List possible results of over taxing the evil, hated, "rich", and estimate the number of additional employment opportunities lost when they decide enough is enough, close up shop and go sit on a beach.

Ready? Go.

• 2.3% Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers 2014

• 10% Tax on Indoor Tanning Services 2014

• Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike

• Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals which fail to comply with the requirements of ObamaCare

• Tax on Brand Name Drugs

• Tax on Health Insurers

• $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives

• Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D

• Employer Mandate on business with over 50 full-time equivalent employees to provide health insurance to full-time employees. $2000 per employee $3000 if employee uses tax credits to buy insurance on the exchange (marketplace). (pushed back to 2015)

• Medicare Tax on Investment Income 3.8% over $200k/$250k

• Medicare Part A Tax increase of .9% over $200k/$250k

• Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (not a tax) But its considered income, therefore it affects the bottom line on a tax return.

• Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting (repealed)

• Codification of the "economic substance doctrine" (not a tax)

ObamaCare Taxes That (may) Directly Affect the Average American

• 40% Excise Tax "Cadillac" on high-end Premium Health Insurance Plans 2018

• An annual $63 fee levied by ObamaCare on all plans (decreased each year until 2017 when pre-existing conditions are eliminated) to help pay for insurance companies covering the costs of high-risk pools.

• Medicine Cabinet Tax
Over the counter medicines no longer qualified as medical expenses for flexible spending accounts (FSAs), health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs), health savings accounts (HSAs), and Archer Medical Saving accounts (MSAs).

• Additional Tax on HSA/MSA Distributions
Health savings account or an Archer medical savings account, penalties for spending money on non-qualified medical expenses. 10% to 20% in the case of a HSA and from 15% to 20% in the case of a MSA.

• Flexible Spending Account Cap 2013
Contributions to FSAs are reduced to $2,500 from $5,000.

• Medical Deduction Threshold tax increase 2013
Threshold to deduct medical expenses as an itemized deduction increases to 10% from 7.5%.

• Individual Mandate (the tax for not purchasing insurance if you can afford it) 2014
Starting in 2014, anyone not buying "qualifying" health insurance must pay an income tax surtax at a rate of 1% or $95 in 2014 to 2.5% in 2016 on profitable income above the tax threshold. The total penalty amount cannot exceed the national average of the annual premiums of a "bronze level" health insurance plan on ObamaCare exchanges.
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