Except for WHAT?? 🤦

"Papers? We don't need no stinking papers"

Looks like Soetoro is getting ready to get 100,000 Hatians here soon.

Voting is a right! You dun shudn't interfere wit ma rights!

A solution in search of a problem

I do not like the argument that voter fraud is so minimal it is not significant. How can you prove or disprove that? The only information would be word of mouth as far as I can tell. So we accept everyone's word as true?

Yes

We're expected to accept everything that comes out of the big "O"s pie-hole as true.
And look where that's got us...

gryph, how many cases of voter fraud in a national election have been substantiated in the last 15 years? How many of those were perpetrated by someone claiming to be someone they are not? I haven't seen evidence of more than a few dozen...nationally....in over a decade

So, what is the problem that voter ID will solve?
The only one I can think of is the problem of too many poor, elderly, rural, and yes, minority, people voting in an election.

Even if I grant you that it MIGHT be some sort of a problem -- I can't begin to conceive that it might possibly be enough of a problem as to risk pissing off so many people as to make it an issue. The Republican party (of which I'm a member) has its priorities so fn twisted right now that I can scarcely believe it.

So...

I'm still kind of confused about what we're worried about here.

You know that to vote, you have to be registered, it isn't like you just walk up to any old voting booth and mark your choices.

What we're talking about is registering to vote under multiple different names/addresses, then going to each physical polling location and voting. That is a LOT of effort. It's much easier to just get the homeless people to register and vote (which is technically their right). Interestingly, the "fix" for both "fraud" (which is likely minimal, since it's a pain in the @ss) and "homeless people voting" is the same thing, require a drivers license.

I mean seriously... if you want to fake votes these days you don't do it through multiple votes. You hack the Diebolt machines.

huh... dstieger basically said what I said. That'll teach me to type slow.

Because both parties usually have poll watchers at most precincts. I'm sure if it was robust at a particular precinct or widespread, we would hear about it. Lawsuits being such that they are.



No more so than from someone on the opposite side of the isle.



It would seem that if one wants to persuade a person or groups of people they would offer them something palatable. Right now, the Repubs are considered the party of the rich, the Dems the party of the minorities. Neither party seems to be the party of what remains of the middle class.

There are to repositioned assets thus providing more benefits with the same amount of $$$'s. For example, instead of cutting the number of troops, invest unemployment benefits into the military budget. Create a stronger military while providing wages for those not working.

Instead the two parties create rift and discontent to inflame and polarize.

Hell I was carded when I purchased a Bic lighter at the grocery store. I may look a little young but I'm pushing 50.
I don't see the need for voter ID laws. I think they are a solution looking for a problem.

If we only knew the actual number that climbed out of the grave to vote in Chicago alone........I think you'd be convinced voter ID is necessary to prevent us from what third world countries call an election.



Ron

I'm all in favor of voter ID laws... I've worked a lot of elections.... I don't know how much fraud it will eliminate, but it would definitely alleviate a lot of confusion... remember, a lot of these elections workers are high school kids... smart kids, but often not the sharpest...

So here's a question.

Is this a states rights thing?

Do you believe that states other than the one you are living in, should be required to have voter ID laws?

Seems like everyone has some pretty strong opinions on something which is only theoretically going to impact them if it is happening in their state.

Lets take this one step further. If you think it should be mandatory for every state to have voter ID laws, doesn't that go against the whole "state's rights" and "minimal federal oversight" idea?

And, lets take it one more step. IF this is supposed to be a nationwide voter ID requirement.... would a state ID be appropriate? I would think the only thing which should sufficiently fulfill a federal requirement, would be a federal ID. A passport.

Now... I know what you're thinking... if we require a passport to vote, West Virginia won't be able to elect anyone. But that's fine... If they can't be bothered to get a passport, they really don't deserve to exercise the rights.

I don't like a lot of true statements. That doesn't make them less true.

that's not true...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/22/calibration-error-changes-gop-votes-to-dem-in-illinois-county/ 

This is what you should really be concerned with in the 21st century. There were machines interpreting dem votes as rep votes a couple years ago, now they're interpreting rep votes as dem votes.

The crap this thread is whining about is way too manpower intensive to actually achieve a significant gain.

Nowadays you either make sure the "calibration" is off on the touchscreen and hope no one is going to verify their vote was properly recorded, OR you find a more clever way of having the computer tally the votes in a manner other than how they were cast.