[quote=jetblasted]It never ceases to amaze me that threads on this site that garner the most attention, concern guys who like to suck ****. [/quote]

LoL.

Here's something for the Libbys to suck on:

http://www.gofundme.com/memoriespizza 

I friggin' love it!

[quote=teedubbya]That's why I don't find it cowardly to not beleive. Belief provides comfort and relief. If there is no God then it doesn't matter what we think. If there is id rather be on its good side. Don't mistake not finding atheists as cowards as anything other than a pragmatic thought. [/quote]
I have never agreed with Pascal's Wager - the idea that believing in God is the only logical bet.

First off, you really believe in your heart and mind, or you don't. Now you can tell people anything you like about your beliefs, but it is already too easy to lie to yourself. "To thine own self be true".

Secondly, people are forever forgoing things in the here and now in favor of their afterlife. So, it's not really a free bet.

Just sayin'

It's a false bet if one believes in an omniscient dirty. Said diety would putatively understand who was being faithful and good simply to play the odds vs those who aren't.

Of course it's possible that this relationship with this invisible dirty is completely transactional, and he/she doesn't care what you think as long as you say the right things they will reward you... If that's the case congrats, your god turned you out.

I would tell you that even an atheist comes to know God in their own way.

That said, people cannot help but rationalize their beliefs. But it doesn't make them any more convincing.

Never said believing in God is the only logical bet. I just think if what you beleive is true we end up in the same place. If what I beleive is true then we don't and you will not like where you land much. I truly beleive what I do and that came first. It wasn't driven by the realization you are going to hell, it just recognizes such. I wish you weren't going to be damned to eternal hell but accept your desire to do so LOL.

#260 jet are you saying the people that passed the silly unnecessary law like to suck ****?

But what if god is an atheist... ? Then I go to atheist heaven and you go to atheist hell, right?

You're not gonna like atheist hell...

If there is such a thing true, but most atheists don't thing there is such a thing so they likely have the same issue.

I'm just not inclined to care if you think what I think and am amused by folks that pretend that to be true when it's the furthest thing from the truth.

If there is such a thing true, but most atheists don't think there is such a thing so they likely have the same issue.

I'm just not inclined to care if you think what I think and am amused by folks that pretend that to be true when it's the furthest thing from the truth.

Can puppy-dogs go to hell..?? 😕

Dogs go to heaven, goats go to hell.

Poor goathead.

[quote=victor809]It's an interesting discussion... probably more interesting than a thread titled "Indiana" deserves.

On one side you have those who argue that to have faith in something you cannot see or have any evidence for, blind faith, so to speak, is the greatest challenge.

On the other side, without that "faith", without any larger being to believe in you have a number of very real challenges on a daily basis... purpose, morality, the finite-ness of life, the entire concept of not existing ever again at some time. [/quote]

Why would "purpose, or "the finite-ness" of life matter if you didn't have faith in the "larger being"?
Without faith, you "know" that the universe is a random event. Purely coincidental, therefore there is no deeper meaning to life then there is for, say, a blade of grass. It just is. You can discover the HOW, but you "know" there is no WHY.

You're trying to create a challenge that doesn't exist, just to prop up a non-believer as somehow more courageous.

[quote=ZRX1200]Dogs go to heaven, goats go to hell.[/quote]
sheep go to heaven, according to Cake!


Everyone likes Cake.

Even the gays?

Tail, you missed the point.

Without your larger diety, you're right, there is no external purpose.

So why do I bother going to work? Why did I do any of the things I have done in life? I would argue that without a diety, being forced to find your own internal meaning and purpose in life is a much greater challenge.

[quote=victor809]Tail, you missed the point.

Without your larger diety, you're right, there is no external purpose.

So why do I bother going to work? Why did I do any of the things I have done in life? I would argue that without a diety, being forced to find your own internal meaning and purpose in life is a much greater challenge. [/quote]

I hope you're not hanging your hat on this response.
Why would you need a deity to understand that life on earth requires sacrifice for the here-and-now?

The "courage" that you and TW are discussing is unrelated to one's own belief. Rather, it is being the vocal minority.

[quote=teedubbya]Even the gays?[/quote]

They like the cupcakes.

What I am talking about has nothing to do with being the vocal minority and was very clear as written.

Is it cowardice to be so pissy?