Poll Question: Is Global Warming Real?
MACS
10 years ago
Group 1 - UN IPCC United Nations International Panel on Climate Change
Group 2 - Skeptical Atmospheric Scientists (that's his group)
Group 3 - politicians, media, environmentalist (people who profit from the idea of climate change)

G1 - believes that CO2 emissions are the cause of the most recent climate change and may eventually dangerously heat the planet
G2 - Skeptics, note that there are many reasons the climate changes. No evidence that CO2 is the dominant factor

Both scientific groups agree: The climate always changes. CO2 is a necessary greenhouse gas. CO2 has been increasing since the last ice age. Last 200 years the temp has increased slightly and erratically about 1.8 degrees F, and they agree since the 1960's man's CO2 emissions have been enough to play a role. They also agree that no confident prediction about future global mean temp, or its impact, can be made. The IPCC admits

"The long term prediction of future climate states is not possible".

The scenario that burning fossil fuels leads to catastrophe isn't what either scientific group asserts... Lindzen is saying that global warming alarmism provides group 3 with what they want: money, power for the politicians, funding for the environmentalists, and headlines for the media.

Scientists OUTSIDE this area of expertise have capitalized as well.

That's the synopsis. Maybe you should watch the video again. He wasn't discussing the science of it. He broke it down into the groups, where they stood, where they agreed and disagreed, and that the reason it's become a huge deal isn't the scientists who specialize in that field, but group 3 and the scientists (outside that realm) trying to profit from it.

I believe him.

victor809
10 years ago
"Summarizes the science behind climate change "... the articles word not mine.

Sure. I don't disagree with him that the media is capitalizing off the disagreement between the two groups. But that can happen in a disagreement between people not liking child-rape and the Catholic Church.

Additionally he tries to imply that the science behind group 1 is artificially bolstered by the media disproportionately to the detriment of group 2. This would be fine if he provided any evidence that we should believe group 2. But the only evidence he provides for his claim is the global mean temperature, which I addressed earlier.

He'll, he's a scientist. If he wanted to show "group 3" impact on the support behind either group 1 or 2, he could data dive the papers submitted, amounts of data in each, reception of.each. etc..

But he doesn't. He provided anot opinion piece masked as a "summary of the science " and passed around by some organization that likes to pretend it is a university.
frankj1
10 years ago
where is his money coming from?
victor809
10 years ago
I was thinking about that on my drive home.

Ultimately, MACS has a point. This guy's opinion carries more weight than mine on this topic. But in the end, that was nothing more than anot opinion piece.

It's no different than if Tony or brew had posted a video of a scientist from "group 1" "summarizing" how all the fossil fuel and manufacturing interests in group 3 were influencing scientists in group 2.

tonygraz
MACS
10 years ago
But both groups of scientists agree it is nothing to get in a panic about, and that predicting the climate is damn near impossible.

I just saw the video. I did not see a written article in that link. I'll have to look again.
DrafterX
10 years ago
denying global warming is a mental disorder.... or so I heard.. 😟
Speyside
10 years ago
Or a meteorological disorder.
DrafterX
10 years ago
poor CROS.... 😞
Brewha
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10 years ago

http://conservative50.com/climate-change-what-do-scientists-say-prageru/

MACS wrote:


I suppose it is critical to keep an open mind, listen to all sources and weigh them on their merit. So I watched your video - that you feel is correct.

Most notable up front is that Mr. Lindzen's criticisms appear to disagree with the published positions of NASA, the US Pentagon, and the scientific community at large. But he is a retired college professor - who has worked for the oil and gas companies......

Secondly I note, that beyond conjecture - skillfully presented I might add - He presented no real or compelling data. In fact his case seems to be based largely on his opinions of society, money and how significant the pollution he has always lived with really is. So my take away is; how bad can pollution really be, and we all know those environmentalists are crazy.

I have to ask who funded his video....Hmmm


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/jan/06/climate-change-climate-change-scepticism 





So above are some link you might find interesting.


And yes - I think his opinion is crap.
But at least it is paid for.....
Brewha
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10 years ago

I was thinking about that on my drive home.

Ultimately, MACS has a point. This guy's opinion carries more weight than mine on this topic. But in the end, that was nothing more than anot opinion piece.

It's no different than if Tony or brew had posted a video of a scientist from "group 1" "summarizing" how all the fossil fuel and manufacturing interests in group 3 were influencing scientists in group 2.

victor809 wrote:


No - I think it would be different.


Because us liberals are Cbid's greatest asset!
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frankj1
10 years ago

where is his money coming from?

frankj1 wrote:


asked, and answered.
Brewha
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10 years ago
Would the next contestant enter and sign in please......
frankj1
10 years ago
What's My Line?
Brewha
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10 years ago
"I think I'll pass to Arlene"
frankj1
10 years ago
I had a thing for Betsy Palmer. Arlene was too, how you say...?
banderl
10 years ago
frankj1
10 years ago
banderl
10 years ago
This is too good to leave on that other thread:

So I was checking into my motel with the family, and before I paid I told the clerk that I needed to make sure that the porn channel is disabled.
He looks at me and says; "It's just regular porn, you sick fuc".

Brewha wrote:


banderl
10 years ago

yeah, anal.

frankj1 wrote:




Wasn't Betsy a Miss America or something?
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