Brewha
10 years ago

It is odd how reporting actual quotes can being taken as bias tho... 🤔

and then be argued by the other side with 'She didn't mean that'.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


True...true.

I have seen some of Trumps quotes put in the wrong light and be misrepresented.
DrafterX
10 years ago
Not going to defend his quotes... he would be better off not speaking at all at times... the difference tho is his opinion vs her lying and denying.... 😟
Brewha
10 years ago

Doesn't really add up... Obama has been in power for 8 years and the rest of the world thinks he's a joke, and not just an embarrassment for his party but the whole country... so why wasnt the media exercising bias against him?

Trump speaks without thinking, shoots from the hip, spends a lot of time backpedaling and will ultimately - if elected - accomplish only a fraction of what he's promised...

Obama speaks carefully, rarely shoots from the hip, spends a lot of his time defending his decisions and ultimately - once elected - accomplished only a fraction of what he promised...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



That view is not demonstrated by Pew Research or Gallup Polls.

However last time I was in an airport in Mexico, they were selling shirts with Trumps picture that read "racist pig" in Spanish....
Brewha
10 years ago

Not going to defend his quotes... he would be better off not speaking at all at times... the difference tho is his opinion vs her lying and denying.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


Bro, that's a pretty small hook to hang your hat on.

Just sayin'
tailgater
10 years ago

It is odd how reporting actual quotes can being taken as bias tho... 🤔

and then be argued by the other side with 'She didn't mean that'.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



I thought is was "That's what she said"...


DrafterX
10 years ago
we could prolly use that..... 😟
gummy jones
Brewha
10 years ago

we could prolly use that..... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


That's what she said...
victor809
10 years ago

Bro, that's a pretty small hook to hang your hat on.

Just sayin'

Brewha wrote:




That's what he said...


(just following the trend here)
victor809
10 years ago

So if your family was killed yesterday, you wouldn't worry about WHY they were killed.

tailgater wrote:



To the best of my understanding of how I would react (given I have little family, and few are dead, I can't speak with certainty), the why wouldn't be my first concern. Sure, I'd want to know. But to be so concerned that if the information changed along the way as things are figured out? Doubt I'd be too worried about that. Sometimes people are told their family member died due to x, but an autopsy found out it was y. That happens, people usually aren't destroyed over it.

It isn't like they don't know the "how". They were killed by a bunch of azzholes who took over the compound. The only information that really changed is whether those azzholes had thought about doing it the night before, or just spontaneously decided to do it the day of.
victor809
10 years ago

So Google is your friend, except when you're trying to make a point in a losing effort?

10 second research:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/07/31/have-we-forgotten-that-hillary-pretty-much-called-a-gold-star-mother-a-liar-n2200420 

"As the Daily Caller reported in April, new State Department documents showed Clinton offered different stories to foreign leaders about the night of the Benghazi attack, telling the Egyptian Foreign Minster that a “stupid, very offensive film” was the point source for the upheaval in the region. During her 11-hour testimony to Congress, emails showed that Clinton knew this was a terrorist attack, and not the result of a video—or part of some protest. And on Fox News Sunday, she said that she didn’t hold any ill feelings toward those families who in their grief might have forgotten what she said to them as the caskets of their loved ones were off loaded. Both Smith and the father of Tyrone Woods, another Benghazi victim, have said that Clinton told them the Innocence Of Muslims was the reason the compound was attacked."

She lied directly to the parents.
Emails exposed during testimony show that Hillary was aware the Benghazi attack was terrorists. NOT an uprising over a video.


tailgater wrote:



I already knew that. Notice that you are assuming those parents are correct.
Smith and Woods say she mentioned a video. Quigley, Doherty and Stevens say she didn't.

Again, you choose to believe the two which fit best with what you want to believe about clinton.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/09/what-did-hillary-clinton-tell-families-people-who-/ 
tailgater
10 years ago

I already knew that. Notice that you are assuming those parents are correct.
Smith and Woods say she mentioned a video. Quigley, Doherty and Stevens say she didn't.

Again, you choose to believe the two which fit best with what you want to believe about clinton.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/09/what-did-hillary-clinton-tell-families-people-who-/ 

victor809 wrote:



This is the premise of the post.

Politifact? c'mon man.
Politifact would side with BILL Clinton saying "I did not have sex". They find tiny snippets of truth or grey areas that cast doubt and then state with pride that isn't a lie.
And as I've said before, they give equal weight to lying about what you had for breakfast versus life and death and matters of national security.


Getting back to reality, do you doubt Clinton blamed the video?
Obama did. (blame the video)
victor809
10 years ago

This is the premise of the post.

Politifact? c'mon man.
Politifact would side with BILL Clinton saying "I did not have sex". They find tiny snippets of truth or grey areas that cast doubt and then state with pride that isn't a lie.
And as I've said before, they give equal weight to lying about what you had for breakfast versus life and death and matters of national security.


Getting back to reality, do you doubt Clinton blamed the video?
Obama did. (blame the video)

tailgater wrote:



I don't know what clinton said. And your decision to question politifact (which identifies 3 family members who DON'T recall a video being mentioned... hey, that's exactly the evidence you have for it being mentioned) is based on what? they are providing references to people who were there.

I don't even know if I'd care if clinton said it was because of a video. Seriously. Whether the people who murdered the americans were spurred on because of a video or because of some other bs... is really a minor difference. And to top it off, it isn't like the information didn't get out.

Even if we want to get sinister... absolutely worst case scenario, she knew it was planned and deliberately told them it was the video. So? She may have been trying to avoid getting the idea of a planned attack out to the press until they had verified it. We control who we release information to at work all the time. If we're solving a problem and are only 90% sure we know the fix, we sure as hell don't tell some people until we're 100% sure, because once that information is out it's impossible to walk it back. Others are told about the details earlier and when there is less certainty, because we know that we can update them if the information changes.

None of this is nearly as damning as the people make it out to be. I'll reiterate, if this is what your vision of the devil does, you really need a lot more creativity.
DrafterX
10 years ago
So, you don't mind her being a liar and stuff.... that's cool.... Personally, I'd like to see someone I can trust in office... 😟
frankj1
10 years ago

So, you don't mind her being a liar and stuff.... that's cool.... Personally, I'd like to see someone I can trust in office... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


maybe in four more years...
DrafterX
10 years ago
ya, notice I wasn't holding a Trump sign when I said that... 🤣
tailgater
10 years ago

I don't know what clinton said. And your decision to question politifact (which identifies 3 family members who DON'T recall a video being mentioned... hey, that's exactly the evidence you have for it being mentioned) is based on what? they are providing references to people who were there.

I don't even know if I'd care if clinton said it was because of a video. Seriously. Whether the people who murdered the americans were spurred on because of a video or because of some other bs... is really a minor difference. And to top it off, it isn't like the information didn't get out.

Even if we want to get sinister... absolutely worst case scenario, she knew it was planned and deliberately told them it was the video. So? She may have been trying to avoid getting the idea of a planned attack out to the press until they had verified it. We control who we release information to at work all the time. If we're solving a problem and are only 90% sure we know the fix, we sure as hell don't tell some people until we're 100% sure, because once that information is out it's impossible to walk it back. Others are told about the details earlier and when there is less certainty, because we know that we can update them if the information changes.

None of this is nearly as damning as the people make it out to be. I'll reiterate, if this is what your vision of the devil does, you really need a lot more creativity.

victor809 wrote:



Who said anything about damning?
The issue is how the media portrays it.

Trump says something stupid, the Gold Star parents get angry, and Trump gets lambasted.

Clinton says something stupid, implies that the Gold Star parent is a liar, and even with the google machine at full power you still can't find what she said.

So I'm glad we agree.



Speyside
10 years ago
There is no fair and balanced. Just like there is no unbiased. The news is not about truth, it is about audience ratings.
Covfireman
10 years ago

We're not asking about the email thing here. I don't disagree with that one, she was incorrect when saying he said she didn't do anything wrong.

But in this thread we're asked to compare her interaction with the benghazi families with trump's interaction with the khan's. I think it's clear why there is more media attention on one.

victor809 wrote:




LOL incorrect or lying her a55 off ? Don't answer. I know you'll justify her lies .
Covfireman
10 years ago
I know that over 50% of the Bernie voters in my district in Clark County are not planning on voting for her as of the last few days .
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