Voter fraud · Page 8 · CigarBid Forums

Ok... Because it was so important to you, I looked at the video. One guy pulled a trump and talked about bussing people from one state to another for voting... Another guy rejected it saying "that's voter fraud" and a 3rd guy planned to do it in 2018.

The message? None of them said "ummm this fiendish plan of yours is already being done right now"... They're definitely willing to commit a crime (2 of them at least) but apparently aren't doing it....

More importantly, what's the cost per vote to participate someone a day to a months wages, get a personal vehicle and have them drive to another state to vote... ? That seems ridiculously high effort for a handful of votes.

I will say it again... The only voter fraud people really should be worried about is the machines. Whoever controls the machines, it doesn't matter how many people are bussed where or vote how many times... The machine will say what you want. If the machines are secure, the rest of it really is unlikely to be a significant impact (and yes, I include whatever that weird RNC absentee ballots they were "holding" at the place that got burned. ).... Millions of votes... Moving a few hundred here and there isn't an efficient use of any party's time.

frankj1
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9 years ago

#145

31 documented case of voter fraud out of like a billion votes.
and some of those are simply amateur poll worker errors.

talk about shiny objects.
GOP, can you solve problems we agree on or not?

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banderl
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9 years ago

#146

31 documented case of voter fraud out of like a billion votes.
and some of those are simply amateur poll worker errors.

talk about shiny objects.
GOP, can you solve problems we agree on or not?

frankj1 wrote:

Trump says that is unacceptable.

tonygraz
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9 years ago

#147

He has trouble understanding what a billion actually is.

tailgater
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9 years ago

#148

31 documented case of voter fraud out of like a billion votes.
and some of those are simply amateur poll worker errors.

talk about shiny objects.
GOP, can you solve problems we agree on or not?

frankj1 wrote:

Voter fraud is never an issue.
Until it is.
And then it's the BIGGEST issue.

Requiring an ID is not a road block. It's a simple precaution.

DrafterX
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9 years ago

#149

voter fraud gets dumped into the same barrel as illegal immigration... they don't think it's a big deal so it's not... illegal is still illegal.. I don't care how you want to justify it... 🤐

Speyside
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9 years ago

#150

It's illegal to eat ice cream in Oregon on Sundays. Should that be enforced since it's illegal Drafter?

tailgater
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9 years ago

#151

It's illegal to eat ice cream in Oregon on Sundays. Should that be enforced since it's illegal Drafter?

Speyside wrote:

That's your argument?

tailgater
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9 years ago

#152

Cop: Sir, you were going 80mph in a school zone.

Spey: Officer, would you be arresting me for eating ice cream in Oregon on a Sunday?

BAJLM

(Ben and Jerry's Lives Matter)

opelmanta1900
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9 years ago

#153

I will say it again... The only voter fraud people really should be worried about is the machines. Whoever controls the machines, it doesn't matter how many people are bussed where or vote how many times... The machine will say what you want. If the machines are secure, the rest of it really is unlikely to be a significant impact (and yes, I include whatever that weird RNC absentee ballots they were "holding" at the place that got burned. ).... Millions of votes... Moving a few hundred here and there isn't an efficient use of any party's time.

victor809 wrote:

I've worked as precinct inspector 2 times with 2 different machines... security of the machines is not a problem... it's the info that's put into those machines that matters...

we had an issue up in fresno a few years back.... I think it was a local or state level election... someone was picking up homeless people and buying them taco bell, after swinging them by the polls real quick to drop off absentee ballots he had graciously filled out for them...

opelmanta1900
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9 years ago

#154

I was way off... it was hamburgers, not taco bell...

DrafterX
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9 years ago

#155

around here it's a BigMac and a beer... 😟

DrMaddVibe
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9 years ago

#156

So if voter fraud is few... And people who would be disenfranchised by ID is few... Why would we put a larger mechanism in place and waste taxpayer money?

The big, election changing fraud isn't going to come from a bunch of azzholes voting a couple times. It's going to come from small changes to the voting machines, little adjustments in the counts by a few percentage points, just enough to swing a state one way or another (but waaaayyy higher counts than 149 across the entire nation). People who are worried about fraud should be demanding audits of the voting machines, and examining those. But machines are hard, and complaining about ID is easy.

Hell, ID is going to be obsolete soon enough, the future will be voting through the internet. Why spend time and money on policies which do very little and will be obsolete soon?

victor809 wrote:

Ooopsie....

Speyside
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9 years ago

#157

That's my argument to illegal is illegal. Voter fraud will change the election just as much as eating ice cream in Oregon on Sundays will.

opelmanta1900
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9 years ago

#158

That's my argument to illegal is illegal. Voter fraud will change the election just as much as eating ice cream in Oregon on Sundays will.

Speyside wrote:

Um... maybe you meant to say "the results of the election" although I'm not sure how you could know that for fact either... educated guess maybe.... and you certainly can't know about the outcome of elections in the distant future...

obviously, if even one vote is fraudulently cast, the election is changed... You might not consider it a meaningful change, but change none the less...

Speyside
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9 years ago

#159

Voter fraud will not change the final results of the election.

frankj1
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9 years ago

#160

Voter fraud is never an issue.
Until it is.
And then it's the BIGGEST issue.

Requiring an ID is not a road block. It's a simple precaution.

tailgater wrote:

red herring, it's Trump's way of being even more divisive, which is his ploy to get his voters to get off the sofa.
You win this thing by getting people to vote, not by having most people want you.

Personally, I'd show my ID, not really an issue to me, whatever the states decide (over 30 already require some type I believe). But the issue is a non issue.

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