bgz
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8 years ago
What say you?

(I'm working, my opinion will have to come later)
teedubbya
8 years ago
Been in Az for a month now. Cbid proximity rule says stfu.
frankj1
8 years ago
yeah, proximity rules are strict.
Mr. Jones
8 years ago
Get the money...
Wait for it...

Unless you strike and f**k the man...

Youse' won't get nuttin'

More power to'em...
bgz
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8 years ago

Been in Az for a month now. Cbid proximity rule says stfu.

teedubbya wrote:



You're in AZ now?

Didn't know that :D

Anyway, disappointed, you seem to always have well thought out opinions.

Still working, just came for a quick look to see if this got any action.
deadeyedick
8 years ago
As the husband of a retired (40 years) grade school teacher, I'm happy to see them get a raise that should have been in the budget years ago. However, some deserve it and some do not just like in any other profession.
DrafterX
8 years ago
TW is organizing strikes now..?? What's the cut..?? 😕
deadeyedick
8 years ago
He can't yet cuz he is still butt hurt about the proximity rule.
frankj1
8 years ago

He can't yet cuz he is still butt hurt about the proximity rule.

deadeyedick wrote:


it's like Catch-22...the best catch there is
delta1
8 years ago
My wife is also a retired grade school teacher...she earned every penny, and more...frequently buying supplies for her classroom, student projects, rewards, books. She even bought a laser jet printer and reams of copy paper so she could make copies at home, since there was only one machine for classroom use at her school and it was always in use, or broken. She brought a lot of work home. I'm sure that not all teachers are as dedicated as she was, but many are.
frankj1
8 years ago

My wife is also a retired grade school teacher...she earned every penny, and more...frequently buying supplies for her classroom, student projects, rewards, books. She even bought a laser jet printer and reams of copy paper so she could make copies at home, since there was only one machine for classroom use at her school and it was always in use, or broken. She brought a lot of work home. I'm sure that not all teachers are as dedicated as she was, but many are.

delta1 wrote:


my wife, The Lovely Caren, retired 4 years ago to help raise our granddaughter after nearly 40 years as a Speech and Language Pathologist (speech terrorist I say).

She spent a fortune out of pocket every year on supplies (that deduction has been deleted...thanks Trump/DeVoss). She MADE books and materials for the families to continue and expand on her efforts at home, because gains are easily lost during vacations.

She met with families (that could not attend PTO meetings) in the evening, on weekends, or before school started in the morning...on her "free" time.

She took many classes over the years beyond her Masters/Plus/Plus/Plus Degree to be able to provide the very finest services possible.

She earned certification so she could screen preschoolers in the Summers before they entered the system, flagging kids who would require Special Ed and stuff in hopes they could mainstream into conventional classrooms sooner, if at all.

One of our daughters is an English teacher at the local high school. She has been heavily recruited each Summer by much wealthier and nationally recognized school systems nearby. But she feels anyone can teach in upper class towns but "our kids need me", says my daughter. She got her Masters in Education specializing in "troubled" school systems.

When our daughter still lived with us, it was not uncommon for me to walk into the kitchen late in the evening to wake them both up from their lesson plannings so they could go to bed.

Neither was/is ever paid nearly enough.

bgz
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8 years ago
Ok, I have time now.

Like Rick and Al, my wife is a former teacher. I know first hand how much work she put in and how much extra she had to spend of her own money on school supplies. She was one of the Arizona teachers that said screw this and went on to a career that is far more lucrative and far less stressful.

As far as my opinion on this issue goes, I think the teachers are doing the right thing. I was following a video on a facebook feed and watching the comments where people were talking all kinds of crap about the teachers and they're usual lines were something along the lines of:

"Fire them, replace them with better teachers".

Really? Arizona is almost dead last in public school funding in the country and the teachers are leaving in droves. There's such a huge teacher shortage in this state, that they started ad campaigns with actors and actresses trying to recruit teachers to come here and work.

I was like, you f***ing idiots, there is nobody to replace them. Every teacher that wants to be a teacher here is already a teacher here.

Anyway, I'm all for a smaller government and all, but I do think the government has certain responsibilities to the population. I believe that the core infrastructure should the primary purpose of the government.

Roads, police and other emergency services, military and last but not least... public education. If we're not providing the best education possible for our children, then WTF is going to make sure our country runs smoothly in the future?

When it comes to education, we're one of the worst there is of developed nations, and that should embarrass people. Education is important, it should be well funded.

We passed a bill here to increase sales tax by 1% which was sold as a tax to fund education. What do they do when it passes? They just rape the education funding from other sources so they could grab the 1%... and who knows wtf they did with it, but it sure as hell didn't go to education.

They keep systematically raping the education budget, then start blaming the teachers for students performing poorly. With a shoestring budget, it increases class sizes, decreases the quality of teachers and leaves deprecated tools (or no tools) for the children to learn and study with.

I'm happy AF that the teachers are doing what they are doing. I think what they are doing is brave as hell, because their time spent doing this is not paid, and the legislators here know it so they are stringing them out and trying to win by atrophy.

I rarely vote for dems, but come election time, I might do my part to vote against these a$$holes out of spite... because what they are doing is just flat out wrong. Kids in America deserve a good education, and if it means paying a little more to the state to make it happen, I'm ok with it as long as it actually goes to education and not get pillaged for who knows what sh1tty programs they're diverting it to.
frankj1
8 years ago

Ok, I have time now.

Like Rick and Al, my wife is a former teacher. I know first hand how much work she put in and how much extra she had to spend of her own money on school supplies. She was one of the Arizona teachers that said screw this and went on to a career that is far more lucrative and far less stressful.

As far as my opinion on this issue goes, I think the teachers are doing the right thing. I was following a video on a facebook feed and watching the comments where people were talking all kinds of crap about the teachers and they're usual lines were something along the lines of:

"Fire them, replace them with better teachers".

Really? Arizona is almost dead last in public school funding in the country and the teachers are leaving in droves. There's such a huge teacher shortage in this state, that they started ad campaigns with actors and actresses trying to recruit teachers to come here and work.

I was like, you f***ing idiots, there is nobody to replace them. Every teacher that wants to be a teacher here is already a teacher here.

Anyway, I'm all for a smaller government and all, but I do think the government has certain responsibilities to the population. I believe that the core infrastructure should the primary purpose of the government.

Roads, police and other emergency services, military and last but not least... public education. If we're not providing the best education possible for our children, then WTF is going to make sure our country runs smoothly in the future?

When it comes to education, we're one of the worst there is of developed nations, and that should embarrass people. Education is important, it should be well funded.

We passed a bill here to increase sales tax by 1% which was sold as a tax to fund education. What do they do when it passes? They just rape the education funding from other sources so they could grab the 1%... and who knows wtf they did with it, but it sure as hell didn't go to education.

They keep systematically raping the education budget, then start blaming the teachers for students performing poorly. With a shoestring budget, it increases class sizes, decreases the quality of teachers and leaves deprecated tools (or no tools) for the children to learn and study with.

I'm happy AF that the teachers are doing what they are doing. I think what they are doing is brave as hell, because their time spent doing this is not paid, and the legislators here know it so they are stringing them out and trying to win by atrophy.

I rarely vote for dems, but come election time, I might do my part to vote against these a$$holes out of spite... because what they are doing is just flat out wrong. Kids in America deserve a good education, and if it means paying a little more to the state to make it happen, I'm ok with it as long as it actually goes to education and not get pillaged for who knows what sh1tty programs they're diverting it to.

bgz wrote:


I applaud your post. Knowing you are primarily Conservative, bucking the expectations is not an easy thing to do.

I'd like to add that the fools who say stuff like teachers only work blah blah blah hours and weeks have no clue what teaching is now compared to when they last stepped inside a public school decades ago.

Not to mention (so I will) all the hours spent off the clock preparing for the hours spent on the clock that no one sees but the teachers' families.

To those who whine that they no longer have kids in school and object to paying taxes for current school needs that they no longer receive...this is a Public Trust passed from generation to generation. Who the Hell paid for the buildings and existing systems when their kids did attend? Or when they attended? The previous generation(s), that's who!

And it directly affects property values.












bgz
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8 years ago

I applaud your post. Knowing you are primarily Conservative, bucking the expectations is not an easy thing to do.

I'd like to add that the fools who say stuff like teachers only work blah blah blah hours and weeks have no clue what teaching is now compared to when they last stepped inside a public school decades ago.

Not to mention (so I will) all the hours spent off the clock preparing for the hours spent on the clock that no one sees but the teachers' families.

To those who whine that they no longer have kids in school and object to paying taxes for current school needs that they no longer receive...this is a Public Trust passed from generation to generation. Who the Hell paid for the buildings and existing systems when their kids did attend? Or when they attended? The previous generation(s), that's who!

And it directly affects property values.

frankj1 wrote:




Glad you and I see this in the same light Frank! I agree with everything you said (except I think I'm more middle of the road overall, just prioritize certain issues).

I would like to expand on it further by saying that having a desire to have a high quality education system should not be a partisan topic.

Countries should take pride in their education systems. It amazes me that we can compete at the highest level in almost all areas, but our system is mediocre at best.
Cathcam13
8 years ago
I have nothing but respect for teachers, during college I spent 2 summers as a substitute at a Christian school here in Oregon helping with English and history.
deadeyedick
8 years ago

Glad you and I see this in the same light Frank! I agree with everything you said (except I think I'm more middle of the road overall, just prioritize certain issues).

I would like to expand on it further by saying that having a desire to have a high quality education system should not be a partisan topic.

Countries should take pride in their education systems. It amazes me that we can compete at the highest level in almost all areas, but our system is mediocre at best.

bgz wrote:



Matter of fact, I wondered why you put this topic in the politics section. Funding for this should be about as bipartisan an issue as there ever was.
DrafterX
8 years ago
Grandma was abducted into the Teacher's Hall of Fame.. I gots one of her awards and stuff... 😟
dstieger
8 years ago
I fully agree that, in general, public school teachers are underpaid and underappreciated. I'm not entirely sure how we got to where we are. But I have to think that teachers' unions bear some responsibility. The ideal of a member-led organization that supports the individuals while strengthening the whole sure sounds like a good idea. And certainly, unions did a lot of good for workers in many industries. I'm not familiar with the details of the history, but it is apparent to me that the unions have failed our teachers (and us.) Those unions managed to become such an incredible bogey man for everyone right of center for most of the 70's, 80's, 90's. And yet, they haven't gotten the teachers squat, that I'm aware of. I don't know if it was a skewed focus on tenure, which is what I always heard was the problem, but the results clearly show that teachers haven't got much to show from their representation.
opelmanta1900
8 years ago

Grandma was abducted into the Teacher's Hall of Fame.. I gots one of her awards and stuff... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


Thats jacked up.... did they send you the award as like a "we've got granny and this award proves it" type of thing? Usually they do a finger...
opelmanta1900
8 years ago
I wonder if every teachers husband thinks their wife is an amazing teacher that deserves a big raise...

From k-12 i attended 7 different schools... i was not a particularly good "student" but academically gifted enough to get A's and B's... in my personal experience, it was easy to observe that most teachers are not good at what they do... and most of what they do is easily replaced with YouTube videos...

And even factoring in time spent working at home and off the clock, teachers work far less hours per year than any other full time job...

There are some teachers who are really good, and I'm all in favor of having them make a million dollars a year... i had a freshman English teacher who was amazing... Jeffery Paul Jones... i still remember nearly everything he taught me...

But i also had a teacher break into tears and quit halfway through the year after she admitted she gave my paper a B without reading it....

And a teacher whose brother had been molested by a pastor's son, so she was openly sh*tty to me and the other pastors kid in the class...

Then there was Mr olive who used to write things like "infected" on post it notes and stick them to unsuspecting kids backs...

I could go on and on about the bad ones... the good ones, not so much...
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