DrafterX
8 years ago
The city of San Francisco this week began allowing non-citizens, including illegal immigrants, to register to vote in the November election for the city school board.

The effort follows the city's passage of a 2016 ballot measure that gave the right to vote in school board elections to non-U.S. citizens over age 18 who live in San Francisco and have children under age 19, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

The measure was approved by a majority of San Francisco's eligible voters, but after the first two attempts failed.

“This is no-brainer legislation,” Hillary Ronen, of the city’s Board of Supervisors, told the publication. “Why would we not want our parents invested in the education of their children?”

- Hillary Ronen, Board of Supervisors
“As a parent myself and a former member of the SF Board of Education it is critical that the voices of all parents are at the table, particularly those that have historically been denied a voice in the process,” Supervisor Sandra Lee Fewer said.

“We want to give immigrants the right to vote,” Supervisor Norman Yee told KGO.

A similar initiative of giving limited voting rights has also reportedly been approved in Chicago and multiple cities in Maryland and Massachusetts.

But other San Francisco residents are expressing dismay with non-citizens becoming eligible to vote in certain elections.

“The reason I voted against it is that I think the right to vote is something that goes along with citizenship -- and should be,” said Harmeet Dhillon, a member of the Republican National Committee.

"The reason I voted against it is that I think the right to vote is something that goes along with citizenship -- and should be."

- Harmeet Dhillon, who serves on the Republican National Committee
Some supporters of the measure, though celebrating, also expressed reservations that it could be weaponized by the federal government to crack down on illegal immigrants.

"The victory is that San Franciscans voted for this. In the face of what's happening nationwide now, we stand strong. ... But there is also a risk. So we as San Franciscans have set aside a fund to make sure that these immigrant communities are fully educated on their rights, but also their risks in this time and place in our country," Fewer told the Chronicle.

She said it’s not clear whether non-citizens’ voting registry could be hidden from the federal records, because voting records are considered public information.

"I think in this case in particular, what is very risky is that we don't know where this president will go," she added. "Are there risks involved? Absolutely. But quite frankly, there are risks involved for all of us with the Trump administration.”

The measure granting non-citizens the right to vote will expire in 2020, but can be renewed by the Board of Supervisors, reports said.

Film at 11... 😟
bgz
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  • Herf-A-Holic
8 years ago
I don't think that's legal.
DrafterX
8 years ago
Me neither... Love the way they presented tho.. you can vote even tho your an illegal, but Trump might come get you.... 🤔
bgz
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  • Herf-A-Holic
8 years ago
Ya, they should have ice hanging around in the parking lots on election day.
Speyside
8 years ago
Hope SCOTUS becomes involved and ends this BS. Drafter, thanks for being this up. I was unaware of it.
dstieger
8 years ago
SF local elections? I'm a long ways from caring atm.


But, it gets me thinking again.....about rights...legal rights...not just voting, but others....

-Who is guaranteed U.S. Constitutional rights?
-US citizens in US? What about US citizens abroad?
-Legal immigrants? Permanent ones, or temporary also?
-Illegals?
-Anyone physically in the US? Maybe...seems part of the reason for keeping Gitmo was to prevent suspected terrorists from getting some rights by being brought to US soil, but I'm far from positive on those details.

-What is defined population that gets Congressional representation? Do US Representative district apportionments count just 'legals'? Leads to the whole Census controversy -- unfortunately, I've been unable to find out exactly what the Census is 'required' to count and exactly to what use the different numbers are applied

-Who is guaranteed right to vote in Federal elections? Citizens? Legal permanent aliens (Green Card holders)? Where is it legally defined? What about felons? Lots of local jurisdictions seem to want to make changes....fine...but what does federal law say?

----I'm pretty sure that all of those questions have fairly clear legal answers. But everybody seems to want to shout stuff about them without ever quoting any laws. I get that local stuff will be different everywhere and I don't care what they do in SF for their school board elections...(I suppose if pressed, I'd say that if they allow the illegal children to attend schools, their parents probably should be afforded the right to vote for the school board....if I decided that I care enough to think about it.)
Speyside
8 years ago
Dave, good posts and thoughtful questions. I am sure there are legal answers, but are they the best answers?
dstieger
8 years ago
Valid question. But, might be a bit subjective, no?

Laws can be changed....even the Constitution can be changed. But until then, we gotta work with the tools we have. Unless anarchy is acceptable
DrafterX
8 years ago
They are buying votes.. that's all... 😟
dstieger
8 years ago
ummmm just curious....how much?

I got the Bait Monkey on my back telling me I need a new fishing rod
DrafterX
8 years ago
Ram has a bat... 😟
delta1
8 years ago
I'm sure there will be legal challenges...ironic that the woman who did this is named "Hillary"...

since it is a "right" only to vote for school board elections, wouldn't it depend on local and state laws?
DrafterX
8 years ago
To start.. but once they're registered there's prolly no way to stop them from voting in other elections.. unless Trump deports them of course... 😟
Speyside
8 years ago
I think this is a slippery slope that we need to stop immediately. So, it's real simple, illegal aliens do not have voting rights. None at all.
delta1
8 years ago

To start.. but once they're registered there's prolly no way to stop them from voting in other elections.. unless Trump deports them of course... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



looks like this is a separate registry, only for school board elections...should not apply to other state-wide or Federal elections...
DrafterX
8 years ago
Not likely.. 😟
Speyside
8 years ago
Delta, Drafter has a very salient point. Here is my take on it.
Drafter if your point was different feel free to correct me. Our country is based on the rule of law, is it not? Illegal aliens by law do not have the right to vote, nor should they. By giving them any voting rights a precedent is being set. This precedent could eventually lead to complete voting rights for illegal aliens. Also as an aside let's get a term straight. They are not illegal immigrants. They are illegal aliens. Voting rights are one of the most important rights American citizens have. I wish SCOTUS becomes involved with even local school voting rights for illegal aliens. They should strictly base their decision on the constitution.
DrafterX
8 years ago
And this is just another reason sanctuary cities are so dangerous... 😟
Speyside
8 years ago
I totally agree with you.
DrafterX
8 years ago
You can't do that.. 🤐
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