delta1
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7 years ago
SDNY is preparing to prosecute Trump and his family, with David Pecker and his company, AMI/National Enquirer, and Trump family CFO Allen Weisselberg providing evidence and testimony...

the prosecution will be for Trump's part in Cohen's crimes of campaign finance violations, and possible other crimes that arose from Trump's and Cohen's long association with Pecker and AMI...seems they buried plenty of bodies for Trump over the years...
DrafterX
7 years ago
Trump threw the double bullchit' flag on this... 😟
dstieger
7 years ago
What is it that you think Pecker has....and what he has offered to give up?

"Some government body with investigative authority is going to talk to somebody who knows Trump" isn't quite news yet...Trump is a sleaze ball, but he's pretty well steered clear of the thousands of 'allegations' so far. I don't have a reason to think that's going to change any time soon. But, you all need something to keep your hopes up, I guess. Good luck
delta1
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7 years ago
He and his company were integral in the $150,000 payment to one of Trump's mistresses, and he's acknowledged the payment as intended to influence the election by keeping damaging info out of the public.
dstieger
7 years ago
I get that...but, if that's all there is, then you may end up disappointed, I'm afraid. Because, even if you and I both believe in our hearts of hearts that the payments constitute some sort of election fraud, I think it will be quite easy for a Trump lawyer to make a convincing case that even if he weren't a candidate, he'd have made the payments for silence due to his high profile and marital status.
delta1
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7 years ago
I've read that his defense would be similar to Edwards', but I heard a legal expert, a Republican who was a former head of the US Federal Elections Commission say there are many key factors that distinguish the two cases.

The Edwards case is distinguishable because the payments were ostensibly for child-support, since there was a baby that resulted from the affair. Then, when he dropped out of the race, Edwards kept making the payments.

He offered several key factors that point to a guilty verdict for Trump. First is the existence of recordings that implicate Trump and Cohen. There are hints in the SDNY's court docs in the Cohen case and public announcements from the SDNY regarding immunity and non-prosecution agreements with Pecker, AMI/Natl Enquirer and Weisselberg that they can provide corroborating evidence(documents, tapes, phone records and financial records) that these payments were made knowingly to influence the election. Second is Cohen's testimony under oath about the purpose of the payments. Third is the timing of the payments, which happened years after the affairs and within a few weeks of the elections.

I'm no lawyer, but I sense that there is more peril for Trump than just the campaign finance felonies. The SDNY docs hint at criminal business dealings that involved Trump, his family, his CFO Weisselberg and Pecker, President of AMI. Those two have been cooperating with the SDNY for many months now.
delta1
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7 years ago
harkens to Lloyd Bridges' character McCroskey the air traffic controller in Airplane..."damm...I picked a bad week to give up_____"
Mr. Jones
7 years ago
All trump has to do is...

CALL AND INSTIGATE A CONGRESSINAL HEARING LIKE FRANK CHURCH'S COINTELPRO 1970's hearing...
By totally investigating the FBI AND THE FBI-SSG DIVISIONS ANTICS SINCE SEPT 11, 2000...
CALL ME AS THE MAIN WITNESS AND COMEY, MUELLER AND GARY O'CONNOR WILL GO DOWN...BIG TIME for first degree premeditated M.U.R.D.E.R....
GAAAAARRRR-RUUUNNNNN-TEEEEEEDDDDD
deadeyedick
7 years ago
You don't really need to find out
What's going on
You don't really want to know
Just how far it's gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry :-"
Abrignac
7 years ago

I've read that his defense would be similar to Edwards', but I heard a legal expert, a Republican who was a former head of the US Federal Elections Commission say there are many key factors that distinguish the two cases.

The Edwards case is distinguishable because the payments were ostensibly for child-support, since there was a baby that resulted from the affair. Then, when he dropped out of the race, Edwards kept making the payments.

He offered several key factors that point to a guilty verdict for Trump. First is the existence of recordings that implicate Trump and Cohen. There are hints in the SDNY's court docs in the Cohen case and public announcements from the SDNY regarding immunity and non-prosecution agreements with Pecker, AMI/Natl Enquirer and Weisselberg that they can provide corroborating evidence(documents, tapes, phone records and financial records) that these payments were made knowingly to influence the election. Second is Cohen's testimony under oath about the purpose of the payments. Third is the timing of the payments, which happened years after the affairs and within a few weeks of the elections.

I'm no lawyer, but I sense that there is more peril for Trump than just the campaign finance felonies. The SDNY docs hint at criminal business dealings that involved Trump, his family, his CFO Weisselberg and Pecker, President of AMI. Those two have been cooperating with the SDNY for many months now.

delta1 wrote:




I’d hope you would be as zealous about members of congress who, unlike Trump used his own money to pay off women, used public money for hush payments.
ZRX1200
7 years ago
If they’re republicans maybe....
ZRX1200
7 years ago
I read the prosecutor statement and thank goodness they sound so unbiased with the whole looking for crimes to prove and everything.....
DrafterX
7 years ago
And this has what to do with the Russians..?? 😕
delta1
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7 years ago
we are witnessing an historic example of criminal malfeasance by the occupant in the highest office of the land and his circle of family and associates, but some are deluded from seeing it because of the toxic nature of partisanship in our politics, some of for which he is responsible...as his past denials of improper behavior by him and his associates have been proven to be lies, he musters more lies that are also disproved...yet his followers do not accept the facts and continue to believe his lies...

I reluctantly pull the "butt Hillary" card here to make that case. If Hillary had won and any of the facts discovered about Trump's wrongdoing was attributed to her, all the cons with blinders on now would be screaming for her head...

we are a civilized society based on the rule of law...a law that applies to all, and despite one's party, wealth or heritage, no one is above the law, not even a "popular" POTUS,

There was quite a bit of over the top zealous Obama bashing which I saw here during his last 4 years in office, and he was NEVER accused of any crime, yet he was mercilessly criticized as if he was the worst person in the world...I submit, Trump leads Obama in that race by a long shot...

RMAN4443
7 years ago
It all depends on what the meaning of "IS" is 🤐
Abrignac
7 years ago

we are witnessing an historic example of criminal malfeasance by the occupant in the highest office of the land and his circle of family and associates, but some are deluded from seeing it because of the toxic nature of partisanship in our politics, some of for which he is responsible...as his past denials of improper behavior by him and his associates have been proven to be lies, he musters more lies that are also disproved...yet his followers do not accept the facts and continue to believe his lies...

I reluctantly pull the "butt Hillary" card here to make that case. If Hillary had won and any of the facts discovered about Trump's wrongdoing was attributed to her, all the cons with blinders on now would be screaming for her head...

we are a civilized society based on the rule of law...a law that applies to all, and despite one's party, wealth or heritage, no one is above the law, not even a "popular" POTUS,

There was quite a bit of over the top zealous Obama bashing which I saw here during his last 4 years in office, and he was NEVER accused of any crime, yet he was mercilessly criticized as if he was the worst person in the world...I submit, Trump leads Obama in that race by a long shot...

delta1 wrote:



No blinders here. I’m embarrassed by him. Yet, I think that those on the left want to hold him to a different standard to which they hold their own. It sickens me to see the level at which the left has sought to destroy him in the name of power. Imagine the fury Republicans will surely launch on the next Democratic President and so on and so forth. Maybe as well burn the Constitution and revolt. We sure as hell can’t govern effectively any more.

Is this what we really want?
ZRX1200
7 years ago
Never accused of a crime????

He never paid a $375k fine for campaign fraud?
ZRX1200
7 years ago
Damn blinders
delta1
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7 years ago
two different animals (animus?)

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/ 


one is ruled a civil violation and the other a criminal one... compare the fact patterns in both cases and you'll see the difference...
ZRX1200
7 years ago
Snopes?????

Both have been ruled on? Really
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