Anthony, get your forms of government straight. In a Faschist society it is the job of the government it is the job of the governing bodies to create law the dictator wants. In a Communist society it is the job of the governing bodies to create laws that treat the people equally. It is not their job to create laws that their leader agrees to. In a Democracy it is the job of the governing bodies to create laws that benefit the people.
Z, there is nothing bipartisan about building a wall for Trump because he promised it to his base. Bipartisan is working toward the common good. Do you have any numbers to support the idea that the majority of Americans want a wall?
Speyside wrote:
Let me connect the dots for you:
Trump shutdown? Highly unlikely. Here’s a Civics reminder for those who either forgot or are ignorant of the process.
The current spending resolution expires at midnight. Unless, Congress sends him a bill that he will sign it’s their fault. It’s that pesky thing called the Constitution.
Abrignac #19 wrote:
That or pass one where they have the votes to override his veto. That is there job, or so says the Constitution.
Abrignac #42 wrote:
1: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
2: Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Abrignac #42 wrote:
1-2-3:1) All spending by the US government must be done so under authority of a federal law.
2) The Constitution specifically provides a path for an idea to be codified in law.
3) That path is:
- a) In this example a spending bill such as continuing resolution must originate in the US House of ---Representatives.
- b) Once the house passes their version it is sent to the US Senate for their review.
- c) Through a conference committee the US Senate and the US House of Representatives negotiate an agreeable --- version.
- d) The bill is sent to the President for his review
--- 1) If he agrees he signs it becomes law
--- 2) If he does not sign it within a specified period it becomes law
--- 3) If he chooses he can veto the bill, then send it back to Congress
- e) If the President vetos the bill
--- 1) Congress can throw their hands up in the air and blame the President, but that means they failed to use - ----- the tools the Constitution gives them to turn a bill into law that the President vetos.
No where have I said that Congress should do Trump's bidding.What has happened is Congress sent Trump a bill that he will not sign, instead of completing the deliberative process, for which they do not have the votes to override a veto nor do they want to stay in session for the ten day period, the have cried foul.
If anyone is trying to force their will it is Congress. Instead of acting like a bunch of titty babies they should stay in session and do one of two things, give Trump a bill he will sign or write one that they can override a veto which will require them to work through the holidays. But, that won't happen because it would require BI-PARTISANSHIP which is virtually non-existent on Capital hill.
In the past we had bi-partisanship. Laws were passed as needed. We had actual budget laws instead of continuing resolutions. But, that has gone by the wayside. Too many special interest caucuses unwilling to compromise.
As I have said before this is a Congressional shut down.
