They had a chance for that earlier......one the Divider in chief offered....but the caring Dems said no

It’s like my father always said: “vote for the crook of your choice! “

The fact of the matter is that the system is been broken for a very long time now. A lot of people have contributed to this mess. I don’t see it getting fixed anytime soon.

Winner winner chicken dinner

as a former civics teacher, each person has to realize that both arguments have validity. I must’ve met, a lot of you have done a lot of thorough research into the constitution. I think that’s really awesome because if you can’t learn from your mistakes in the past, you’re doomed to repeat them in the future. Some of you might want to consider teaching in civics. A lot of you make very good argument

not quite...

here's what a bi-partisan border security bill looked like 12 years ago...kinda like what most people are asking for today...and it aint a solid $25-$50 Billion wall...

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/23/mick-mulvaney/fact-check-did-top-democrats-vote-border-wall-2006/ 


for those who can't be bothered with the truth, here are the key facts...

"The Secure Fence Act of 2006, which was passed by a Republican Congress and signed by President George W. Bush, authorized about 700 miles of fencing along certain stretches of land between the border of the United States and Mexico.

The act also authorized the use of more vehicle barriers, checkpoints and lighting to curb illegal immigration, and the use of advanced technology such as satellites and unmanned aerial vehicles.

At the time the act was being considered, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer were all members of the Senate. (Schumer of New York is now the Senate minority leader.)

Obama, Clinton, Schumer and 23 other Democratic senators voted in favor of the act when it passed in the Senate by a vote of 80 to 19."



this is what bi-partisanship looked like, with a GOP President and GOP Congress and Dems reaching across the aisle ...RIP

you saw the thread about race relations among chickens and hawks, huh?

Anthony, are we arguing different points? My point is Congress is under no obligation to do what Trump wants. Also, Trump is under no obligation to do what Congress wants. I am not arguing that Trump must do what Congress wants. I am arguing that Congess has no obligation to do what Trump wants.

******, the last pole I saw said 56% of Americans do not want a wall. Given that it was a CNN poll there will be an obvious bias to liberal opinions. I have not seen a FOX poll, if you have, what do their numbers say? I would ask this, why do you think a wall would be a cost effective solution to stopping illegal aliens from entering though our southern border?

Mexicans are bad climbers...

How much did those wonderful people build Al????

NONE......Congress never actually appropriated the funds to build ANY “fencing”

So yes.....the people who have been part of the problem longer are a bigger problem than Cheeto. Maybe if you guys would quit letting him live rent free in your noggins we could look for problems and solutions together. The wall has support. Is it the best way? No it isn’t but a lot of Americans are sick of it. Don’t like that? Maybe you should keep calling names while at the same time bemoaning the lack of decency in America.

Take away the incentives for this and the problem will solve itself.

Problem is two fold right now. One side NEEDS dependents and the other wants cheaply controlled labor. Period

When did I say that did?

yes they did ... by 2011, DHS had completed 99.5% of the proposed fence...


from wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006 

"By May 2011, DHS reported completing 649 miles of fencing (99.5% of the 652 miles planned). The barrier was made up of 299 miles of vehicle barriers and 350 miles of pedestrian fence.[6] The fencing includes a steel fence (varying in height between 18 and 26 feet) that divides the border towns of Nogales, Arizona in the U.S. and Nogales, Sonora in Mexico.[9] A 2016 report by the Government Accountability Office confirmed that the government had completed the fence by 2015.[10] A 2017 GAO report noted: "In addition to the 654 miles of primary fencing, CBP has also deployed additional layers of pedestrian fencing behind the primary border fencing, including 37 miles of secondary fencing and 14 miles of tertiary fencing."[11]


edit: I read the article thoroughly, and did not see any mention of name-calling...by anyone from either party...

so, Obama built Trump's beautiful wall?
too funny...

and now we also have proof it doesn't work.

certainly for a more reasonable sum than 50+billion we could beef up security in a number of effective ways and put an end to this oval office tantrum while actually securing our southern border.
as for the northern border, we could build a billion snowmen.

So it was ok to spend money on border security when Obama was in office... 🤔

it's still OK to spend money on border security...it's always been a question of: "what is the best use of border security expenditures?" Many believe building a wall is an extravagant expense that would not be as effective as other less costly alternatives...why spend $10K on a bejewelled butt-plug when a $25 dollar silicone one with accoutrements is better? oops, I've said too much...

the 2006 Border Security Fence Bill bill was written by a GOP Rep, passed by the GOP House with some help from Dems, passed the GOP Senate with some help from some Dems, and signed by GWBush, a GOP President. By the time the money was appropriated and plans were developed, Obama inherited the implementation...

all according to specs designed by the DHS during Bush's tenure...

those places where the fences were installed were the DHS's "high priority" places along the border where illegal entry rates were the highest...it does seem like a lower cost alternative to a wall...it's been a few years since the completion, so we should have some numbers to tell how effective this has been...if the numbers show a reduction in those areas, let's use this model in other places along the border...

seems the DHS has new "high priority" areas now...

That makes sense.. where ever it's easier will be used... Why didn't Obama follow through with closing the gaps..?? 😟

Oh, that's right.. he gave the money to Iran... 😟

There are places that a wall in indicated such as around densely populated areas. In some areas, motion, infrared and/or sound detectors make work better, perhaps with a fence. In wilderness areas maybe just the detectors.

Plus we need to increase the size of the Border Patrol interdiction agents significantly so the can patrol and respond anywhere along the border. Maybe some type of aircraft squadron with planes that can detect foot traffic paired with troop transport helicopters that can deploy interdiction teams.

But, the notion that we need to build our own version of the Great Wall along the 1900+ mile border is nonsense.

Why is there no outrage towards Crying Chuck..?? Isn't he being just as stubborn as Trump... He coulda stopped the shutdown... Trump was asking for .1% of da budget... What percentage is going to taking care of the illegals.. 🤔

My bad....


President Trump has proposed spending $18 billion over the next decade to construct a new and improved border wall between the U.S. and Mexico. While some lawmakers have criticized the both the cost and the plan, a new analysis reveals the expenditure is relatively small compared to other federal spending.

“That $18 billion would equal just 0.0338 percent of the $53.128 trillion the Congressional Budget Office currently estimates the federal government will spend over that same 10-year period,” wrote Terence P. Jeffrey, editor-in-chief of CNSNews.com.


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Anthony, that question was for deadeye. I forgot they x out his name.