Abrignac
7 years ago

I haven't said we should keep it open.

victor809 wrote:



Re-read my post. I wasn't implying that you had. I just called the reason you gave for not shutting down
bullsh!t.

[ram27bat]
Abrignac
7 years ago

Congress needs to pass a bill that Trump can agree on?

Speyside wrote:



That or pass one where they have the votes to override his veto. That is there job, or so says the Constitution.

It seems you slept through a few Civics classes. So, I'll toss a lifeline.

Section 7

1: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

2: Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

3: Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.


Abrignac
7 years ago

If you want a dictator type of leader move to Russia.

Speyside wrote:



It seems reading comprehension also isn't a strong suit of yours. I have consistently stated my support of the Constitutional separation of powers. But, since you think Trump should sign whatever Congress sends him that would imply that you are in favor of a Congressional Dictatorship. Perhaps you should pack your bags and your chopsticks and head in an easterly direction, far easterly.
teedubbya
7 years ago
Throw the bs flag all you want but he said Mexico would pay for it. Congress moved a budget he said he would approve. He changed his mind again. After a right wing media induced fit. He is not a man of his word and not worthy of anyone in here carrying his water.
victor809
7 years ago
...hey now tw... There's a couple people here who I think he's worthy of...
teedubbya
7 years ago
The guys a train wreck and we are about to see something ugly.
Abrignac
7 years ago

Throw the bs flag all you want but he said Mexico would pay for it. Congress moved a budget he said he would approve. He changed his mind again. After a right wing media induced fit. He is not a man of his word and not worthy of anyone in here carrying his water.

teedubbya wrote:



Our opinion of him as both a President and a person are much closer than you give me credit.

Unfortunately, he’s a poor, poor spokesperson for a platform which I agree with in parts and disagree in others.

ZRX1200
7 years ago
Funny you see what you want to too Teedubya.

Both sides of the isle are as clean as the wind driven snow....in the house and senate. That’s the legislative branch Spey
Speyside
7 years ago
LMAO! Everything you point out seems based on the assumption that the majority of Americans want a wall, and the majority of the House and Senate want a wall. Guess what, we don't. But please continue with your delusion that Trump supporters are the majority of Americans. Guess what, you aren't. There will be no wall because there are not enough votes to pass a bill for it. As for your civics lesson, quit posting 3rd grade ideas. You only supported your position. You gave no critical ideas as to why you are right, which you aren't.
Abrignac
7 years ago

LMAO! Everything you point out seems based on the assumption that the majority of Americans want a wall, and the majority of the House and Senate want a wall. Guess what, we don't. But please continue with your delusion that Trump supporters are the majority of Americans. Guess what, you aren't. There will be no wall because there are not enough votes to pass a bill for it. As for your civics lesson, quit posting 3rd grade ideas. You only supported your position. You gave no critical ideas as to why you are right, which you aren't.

Speyside wrote:




See post #43🍺
Speyside
7 years ago
I did, made me laugh harder. You seem to think congress must pass legislation to pay for the wall. That simply isn't true. I have no expectation that Trump will sign anything that Congress sends to him that doesn't include wall funding. We are at an impasse that I see no fix for in the near future. The wall isn't going to happen. During the last shut down the Democrats caved on DACA. I don't expect them to cave now. Also there are supposedly some senate Republicans who will vote against the wall. I say supposedly since I have not seen names attached to this. Can you follow this? Or do I need to use smaller concepts?
Speyside
7 years ago
Wow Z, the legislative branch? Do you know that group of people that sentenced Cohen, and will sentence the other crimnals associated with Trump? That's called the judicial branch.
Abrignac
7 years ago

I did, made me laugh harder. You seem to think congress must pass legislation to pay for the wall. That simply isn't true. I have no expectation that Trump will sign anything that Congress sends to him that doesn't include wall funding. We are at an impasse that I see no fix for in the near future. The wall isn't going to happen. During the last shut down the Democrats caved on DACA. I don't expect them to cave now. Also there are supposedly some senate Republicans who will vote against the wall. I say supposedly since I have not seen names attached to this. Can you follow this? Or do I need to use smaller concepts?

Speyside wrote:




Ignorance is bliss
Abrignac
7 years ago
How about another life line.

Where did I say Congress should send a Trump a bill that include wall funding?

As I’ve said twice, reading comprehension isn’t one of your strong points. You misappropriated my words and ran off like a dog that had found a bone.
Speyside
7 years ago
You have implied that all along. I do like your contest, good idea. It will be interesting to see how much money is raised. Some times grass roots initiatives are the best way to solve a problem.
Speyside
7 years ago
My disagreement with you comes from your post #25. It is not the job of Congress to reach an agreement with the president. It never has been. The job of Congress is to represent the people.

Through legislative debate and compromise, the U.S. Congress makes laws that influence our daily lives. It holds hearings to inform the legislative process, conducts investigations to oversee the executive branch, and serves as the voice of the people and the states in the federal government.

For the government to function Congress doesn't even have to work with the president. They can over ride his veto. I'm just stating facts Anthony.
teedubbya
7 years ago
Z I don’t find the Dems clean. I could never be one. I’m just a republican who can’t justify what dolt 45 does just because I hate the Dems. I expect more out of my friends than my enemies.

Besides it is both sides that agreed on the CR. It is Trump who once again went back on his word and negotiated in bad faith following a rush inspired fever dream.
Abrignac
7 years ago

You have implied that all along. I do like your contest, good idea. It will be interesting to see how much money is raised. Some times grass roots initiatives are the best way to solve a problem.

Speyside wrote:



Go back and reread #25. I simply stated what I thought Trump should have down to avert blame for a shutdown. You misinterpreted what I said. I kept referring to reading comprehension. But, you were so focused on your incorrect assumption you never realized what I was saying.

Sorry, but you can’t blame me for your mistake.

🍺
Speyside
7 years ago
Not my mistake, you are deflecting. Your meaning was clear in the last paragraph.
Speyside
7 years ago
It is not their job to produce a bill they and Trump can agree on. How can I be any clearer. You made a very direct statement that is incorrect.
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