izonfire
7 years ago

OK, let's put aside illegal immigrants,

delta1 wrote:



Agreed Delta.
Let's put 'em aside maybe somewhere down south...
ZRX1200
7 years ago
The question should be on it, good for Cheeto for putting it on there!

MAGA!

frankj1
7 years ago

Let's not consider the motives of the GOP or the Dems for a minute.

Isn't the whole point of the census to count and categorize every person?
In each and every category? Why would we omit any category?

izonfire wrote:


nope. not the point of the census.
frankj1
7 years ago

Is the answer to that a matter of opinion?


Or does the Constitution or Federal Law address it?

If the question were added, would you ONLY count the people who claimed to be citizens when you determine districts? I don't know how it was going to be used....just thinking out loud

dstieger wrote:


in fact, just being here grants many constitutional protections.
Speyside
7 years ago
Seems straight forward to me. Trump often states something outrageous then backs away. I expect that will happen here. If not put him a cell for contempt of SCOTUS. Same thing for everyone else involved.
izonfire
7 years ago

nope. not the point of the census.

frankj1 wrote:



Probing Question: Why is the census important?
by Solmaz Barazesh

Probing Question: Why is the census important?
Credit U.S. Census Bureau
Every 10 years, the U.S. Census Bureau undertakes a mammoth task: counting all of the people living in the United States and recording basic information such as age, sex, and race. The United States' founders thought these data were so important they mandated it as part of the Constitution. But today, some people question the importance of the census, and some complain that it's an invasion of privacy.

So why do we have a census, and what is the information used for?

"The census is most definitely important. Our whole representative democracy is based on it," said Gordon De Jong, professor of sociology and demography and senior scientist in Penn State's Population Research Institute. "The census ensures that each community gets the right number of representatives in government." Because representation is based on population, an up-to-date tally is essential.

The census also helps with the equitable distribution of public funds, De Jong said, as federal and state funding for educational programs, health care, law enforcement and highways is allocated based on population, in part. "Equitably distributing the billions of dollars of public money requires up-to-date population data."

In broad terms, the census helps us see how the United States is changing. In the 2000 census, 281.4 million people were counted in the United States, an increase of 13.2 percent from the 1990 census population of 248.7 million. The highest rates of population growth were reported in the South and West.

So the census is utilized to determine the allocation of resources, yet it does not include illegals who are utilizing resources, isn't that in essence, a dysfunctional or broken system?
And with excluding illegals, it also is not a true reflection of our demographics.
frankj1
7 years ago
but it does include illegals...just not considered basic information such as age, sex, race.

izonfire
7 years ago

but it does include illegals...just not considered basic information such as age, sex, race.

frankj1 wrote:



I would think that would be desired and relevant information...
frankj1
7 years ago

I would think that would be desired and relevant information...

izonfire wrote:


it's about population. done every 10 years.

population changes over time, geographical changes that affect government representation, money distribution...more about totals than facts on the individuals being counted.

there are sources that claim to know those other vital stats.
tailgater
7 years ago
The census should absolutely include the citizenship question.
But the POTUS shouldn't try to bypass the SCOTUS to implement it.




Speyside
7 years ago
I don't think he will try to bypass SCOTUS. He often states something immediately and then after time to reflect and receive advice he takes the correct action.
izonfire
7 years ago

I don't think he will try to bypass SCOTUS. He often states something immediately and then after time to reflect and receive advice he takes the correct action.

Speyside wrote:



Total bullchit!

Uhhh, hold on there for a moment...
frankj1
7 years ago

The census should absolutely include the citizenship question.
But the POTUS shouldn't try to bypass the SCOTUS to implement it.




tailgater wrote:


it has never been a count of citizenship.
It is the method to account for how many people are currently living where ever they live in the country.

Population.

all here are protected by current laws of the land, not just citizens. so the political ramifications (congressional representation for example) is what this current stuff is all about.

First, change that, then there would be a reason for the question.
it's not an emotional nor patriotic issue.

we agree, he should not try to circumvent. his stated reason was politely called BS, the opinion written by a conservative justice.

How one gets to restate in a second chance is weird. Why would reason #2 be the real reason?

I don't see Trump winning this as things are now.
tailgater
7 years ago
Stop with the misinformation on what the census is.

The census isn't just a count of humans living here.
It really isn't.

If it were, it wouldn't require age, gender, DOB, rent/own, race, etc.

I understand the debate regarding citizenship. I think it's a fair question, and even more relevant than race (for instance) or even gender to a degree.
The alarmists opposing Trump claim it's racist. They claim that legal immigrants would be "afraid" to complete the form.

Well boo freaking hoo.

Trump needs to stop threatening an executive order. But in today's America it is absolutely important to understand the growth of our population (immigrant versus citizen).
Most understand this.
But many refuse to accept it.
And we all know the reason for that.



opelmanta1900
7 years ago
You gotta change your avatar man... I keep thinking you're spey...
frankj1
7 years ago
representation is based on how many live where.
federal reimbursement/funding is based on how many live where.

Those numbers/amounts would not change based on age, gender etc.which don't mean anything politically.
But those numbers would be impacted greatly based on an undercount.
izonfire
7 years ago

Stop with the misinformation on what the census is.

tailgater wrote:



It would be nice if we could get a consensus. I’m counting on it.
RMAN4443
7 years ago
If Federal reimbursement/Funding would be impacted by immigrants, legal or otherwise, not returning the Census, wouldn't that impact the amount of Federal funds available to supply all the Federal benefits that many of these immigrants receive in support?


So in essence they'd be hurting themselves by ignoring the Census.....and even if the question were included, it's a Federal crime not to answer the Census....so by not answering they would be subject to arrest and running the same risk deportation as answering
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
Worked for the census bureau at one point... Is it really illegal not to answer the census, or is it just a crime to not turn it in?
frankj1
7 years ago

If Federal reimbursement/Funding would be impacted by immigrants, legal or otherwise, not returning the Census, wouldn't that impact the amount of Federal funds available to supply all the Federal benefits that many of these immigrants receive in support?


So in essence they'd be hurting themselves by ignoring the Census.....and even if the question were included, it's a Federal crime not to answer the Census....so by not answering they would be subject to arrest and running the same risk deportation as answering

RMAN4443 wrote:


not important to this particular thread but most pay taxes.

it's not about welfare. your state probably depends on it's share for many projects. welfare isn't based on the total population...as far as I know?
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