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tailgater
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

7 years ago

As a non-gun owning supporter of the 2nd amendment, I don't have a horse in this race.

I'm against any type of knee-jerk legislation, almost without exception.
I agree with many of the NRA talking points, including the slippery-slope argument which really can't be ignored.
But it would be great to actually have the proverbial "common sense" laws to help stymie the fear that's brewing from tragic events and ratings-driven coverage.

Hell, Times Square was in near-lockdown because a motorcycle backfired yesterday.

So maybe it's time for Congress to pass some legislation.
Maybe the so called Red Flag bill can indeed be effective.
Not in stopping the crazies from procuring guns. No sir. If that were actually possible these types of bills would already be law.
But if congress can pass something through both the house and senate, and if the president can sign it into law, that would speak volumes for our desire to unite the country.

This is a give and take. Neither side is innocent. But right now it's the POTUS and his GOP counterparts that own the lions share of the blame if we can't do this.

I'm not talking about the mythical "ban assault weapons" BS.
But increasing background checks does no one harm. If it's inconvenient for you to buy the new weapon du juor then too bad. Gun ownership should be a responsible decision, and if a few forms require your John Hancock prior to delivery then so be it.

Trump talks about mental health? Well a background check might discover this type of issue before they purchase the fourth clip for their glock.

Deal with it.
And help reunite the country by hugging it out in DC.

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DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

Some scary stuff being talked about... gun confiscation if someone thinks you're gonna hurt someone.. this can be good but it can be bad.. this would be a good time to send your local judge a 12 pack of Bud...

And Biden has said he's going after assault weapons...

😟

Gene363
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

No, absolutely no more BS gun legislation.

As for Biden and others taking about another scary rifle bad, the last one had ZERO effect.

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Speyside
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

I see assault rifles as a good form of home and family protection. Ban the crazies from getting them in their hands as much as legally possible. Much more complete background checks before putting a gun in some ones hands. Make the illegal sale of guns a death penalty crime. And so on. Don't punish law abiding citizens.

dstieger
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

But if congress can pass something through both the house and senate, and if the president can sign it into law, that would speak volumes for our desire to unite the country.

tailgater wrote:

Who are you and what have you done with Tail?

But, seriously....I agree with the OP. As I have said in other posts, I fully support legislation that would limit magazines, strengthen background checks and maybe some sort of red flag stuff.

That last seems more tricky to me than it looks on the surface. For one, it requires very localized enforcement, so maybe it doesn't belong as federal legislation...IDK. But as someone always in the gray, I have trouble conceptualizing how we address mental health....and mental health with regards to tools to do harm. The mental health spectrum just seems pretty fluid, if not arbitrary...even within an individual. It would be nearly impossible to apply pure objectivity to an assessment, I'd think. Even the motives of the one's calling attention and/or assessing will affect the judgement. And...if it is determined that 'someone shouldn't have a gun'...what does that accomplish for the individual? Does it come with some sort of mandated 'treatment'? Do we take aware their scissors, too? How do we prevent bs narking? If I call the white coat guys to say "TW is nucking futz; take away his guns", am I held accountable if he finds (and pays off?) some doc that says he's normal?

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

I run with scissors sometimes.. just cause I can... 😟

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

I have nothing against assault rifles (they are fun) but really don't think they are a good form of home and family protection. It's just an opinion though. I prefer pistol rounds for that purpose just to avoid... wait for it.... over penetration. Again that's just an opinion .... biden is right about shotguns too.

I do like an SBR type handgun in pistol calibers however. Don't care about the stupid designations. My appreciation of this setup is fairly new though. Much more accurate than my pistol however I've had so many rounds through my pistol I'd probably grab it first just because I trust it's reliability. I may get there with the scorpion some day.

All that aside I also run with scissors... by the pool...drunk... right after a full meal

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deadeyedick
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

Something will get passed. It will be mostly feel good legislation and might even save a life or two. We will be having this same conversation years from now. The weapon of choice can change quickly for those intent on doing damage.

Buckwheat
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

teedubbya wrote:

I would love to own and shoot a 9 mm Mauser C96 "Red 9" Broomhandle pistol along with a 9mm carbine rifle. Only have to worry about one type of ammo. 🌫

ZRX1200
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#10

Tail, there’s 20k laws. And still we’re here. Virtue signaling legislation has no positive other than showing movement towards banning all guns which is the goal. Make a case that law “——“ will DIRECTLY CAUSE “_____”.

But this isn’t how we do things. We deify something so that it cannot be assailed, and then run with a cause claiming to protect that thing/cause.

Signature???? Yeah tell me how you legally buy a gun without one......there is no loophole. I can’t even legally LOAN a hunting rifle for a relative to use without a $75 TRANSFER INTO THEIR POSSESSION in Oregon. When people are LYING about their end game goals and using dishonest tactics there isn’t a reasonable conversation to have. There is no cold grown up free thinking, there is only emotional knee jerking from idiots and manipulation from non idiots.

I find it very uncouth to be having these conversations about a right that shall not be infringed, so close to psychopath criminals perpetrating murder.

Because just like modern politics we never fix a cause, we treat a symptom and always at the cost of freedom of those who aren’t criminals. This is EXACTLY why so many are upset. Furthering THIS will move us further from a passive to an active civil war.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#11

I would love to own and shoot a 9 mm Mauser C96 "Red 9" Broomhandle pistol along with a 9mm carbine rifle. Only have to worry about one type of ammo. 🌫

Buckwheat wrote:

That actually sounds fun. I used the same logic pairing a cz 75b and a scorpion w/brace. All 9mm makes range time fun and less expensive

Speyside
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#12

My home protection is an assault shotgun. Definatly will stop invaders.

Speyside
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#13

Well, that and my Chihuahua.

ZRX1200
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#14

Hope you’re not using buckshot or slugs....

steve02
Aficionado

7 years ago

#15

There’s a huge fundamental problem with more gun control laws. Only law abiding citizens follow laws. Does anyone think that someone was going to shoot up a place and then didn’t because it might break a gun law? Isn’t murder already illegal? Isn’t assault with a deadly weapon already illegal?

Krazeehorse
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#16

deadeyedick wrote:

Nailed it. If they don't have a gun they will drive their car into a crowd. It's tough to defend against crazy.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#17

steve02 wrote:

While I agree then we shouldn't have any laws because that is true across the board. And since locks only keep honest people honest there is no need for locks etc. I'm not for wild gun laws but letting perfect be the enemy of good enough is being used as a political tool at this point.

Edited by user 7 years ago | Reason: Not specified