ZRX1200
6 years ago
Threaten to impeach if transcripts aren’t released.

Released.

Threaten to impeach if whistleblower report isn’t released. It’s going to be.

^ again Al.....can you NOT SEE the irony of your last sentence?!!!
dstieger
6 years ago

I don't know what the complaint says and the notion that the whistleblower didn't witness any of the calls or behavior is also speculation...transcripts of calls, without back-up recordings, can be inaccurate...let's see the complaint...

Trump admitted he asked Ukraine to investigate a political opponent before the next election, while at the same time withholding military aid to the Ukraine...is this acceptable use of presidential power?

delta1 wrote:



Not acceptable to me. But, I've not seen enough to be convinced of that.

If you take Biden's current presidential run out of the equation....would Trump's request seem reasonable/acceptable? Maybe....if he thought that Joe and son truly had taken advantage of Ukrainian corruption....then would a suggestion to look into it be ok? Probably.

I'm not making a judgement one way or another....I just would like anyone who is making judgements here to go into each issue with a more open mind -- I sense that the anti-Trump bias clouds your reasoning sometimes, Al
DrafterX
6 years ago
Al has a brain cloud..?? 😕
Abrignac
6 years ago

I don't know what the complaint says and the notion that the whistleblower didn't witness any of the calls or behavior is also speculation...transcripts of calls, without back-up recordings, can be inaccurate...let's see the complaint...

Trump admitted he asked Ukraine to investigate a political opponent before the next election, while at the same time withholding military aid to the Ukraine...is this acceptable use of presidential power?

delta1 wrote:



Let's get this correct. I read the transcript. Nowhere did I see he ask the President of the Ukraine to investigate a political opponent. He did however, request they investigate the son of a political opponent. More importantly what is wrong with asking a foreign government to help in an investigation. Hell, that's exactly what Interpol, which we are a member nation, does.


Is the United States a member of INTERPOL? Yes, the United States is a member of INTERPOL, as authorized by Title 22, United States Code §263a. As a condition of membership, the United States maintains a National Central Bureau (NCB) in Washington, D.C., which serves to maintain liaison with the Organization’s General Secretariat in Lyon, France, and the National Central Bureaus of INTERPOL’s 189 other member countries. The United States also details (“seconds”) law enforcement officials to serve at INTERPOL Headquarters in Lyon, France.

https://www.justice.gov/interpol-washington/frequently-asked-questions#two wrote:



At this point, its a big fat nothing burger.
ZRX1200
6 years ago
He asked the current president as the last one was corrupt...

But let’s not talk about that either because that leads down a rabbit hole the left DOES NOT want to go down.
teedubbya
6 years ago

Let's get this correct. I read the transcript. Nowhere did I see he ask the President of the Ukraine to investigate a political opponent. He did however, request they investigate the son of a political opponent. More importantly what is wrong with asking a foreign government to help in an investigation. Hell, that's exactly what Interpol, which we are a member nation, does.




At this point, its a big fat nothing burger.

Abrignac wrote:




I agree the President was simply acting like interpol .... LMAO



by the way, i'm still not for trying to remove him. the election should decide that. If we are stupid enough to reelect him we deserve what we get.


and I say investigate everyone and then investigate the investigations
DrafterX
6 years ago
Investigate the Instigators too..!! 😠
teedubbya
6 years ago

Investigate the Instigators too..!! 😠

DrafterX wrote:




That's just a given. And its time we all recognize the Prez is a kind caring giving man who is selflessly trying to help us and the Ukrainians and the press and other party simply need to get out of the way.
tailgater
6 years ago

I agree the President was simply acting like interpol .... LMAO



by the way, i'm still not for trying to remove him. the election should decide that. If we are stupid enough to reelect him we deserve what we get.


and I say investigate everyone and then investigate the investigations

teedubbya wrote:



Careful.
We might be stupid enough to reelect Trump.

Or we might be even stupider and elect someone like Warren.

teedubbya
6 years ago
I think it is likely.
Speyside
6 years ago
Impeachment would be bad for all of us, and it would only be a political gambit. In truth I think the Democrats will go down in flames if they impeach Trump. They are already showing their azz in the debates. I had hoped for better, but that was not realistic on my part.
teedubbya
6 years ago
We are getting played by both parties. I don't know how anyone supports either....some blindly and vehemently
delta1
6 years ago
cons are defending Trump's request based on his desire to look into corruption, not to seek dirt on a political opponent....

this stuff dates back to 2014-2015....Joe Is no longer VP and Hunter no longer sits on the Burisma board....but Joe Biden is running for POTUS in 2020...

Is Trump serious about corruption? ....what about the Trump Turnberry resort in Scotland, Mar-a-Lago, Trump Tower, Trump Hotel in Washington DC, ad nauseum, etc..all benefitting from his status as POTUS...


Trump is taking us for a ride cuz he thinks we're all stupid...
DrafterX
6 years ago
Stupid is as stupid does... 😟
delta1
6 years ago
prolly...

even if the House finds reason to issue articles of impeachment, and refer them to the Senate...that will be the end of it...

but at least a line will be drawn in the sand that Congress would respond in the face of a POTUS who laughs at the rule of law and has no bounds in his abuse of power...


if Hillary had won and engaged in similar conduct to what Trump is alleged to have done, I'm pretty sure Drafter and the rest of the cons here would be giving her a pass...
teedubbya
6 years ago

prolly...

even if the House finds reason to issue articles of impeachment, and refer them to the Senate...that will be the end of it...

but at least a line will be drawn in the sand that Congress would respond in the face of a POTUS who laughs at the rule of law and has no bounds in his abuse of power...


if Hillary had won and engaged in similar conduct to what Trump is alleged to have done, I'm pretty sure Drafter and the rest of the cons here would be giving her a pass...

delta1 wrote:




But the dems might. That's the problem. For some reason normally good folks are willing to throw out their integrity because they think the other guy did. The ability to suspend and ignore rational thought because its your guy and you want to is ever amazing. I really underestimated it.
DrafterX
6 years ago
And many here still can't see what Hillary did wrong... if she had been elected we would be seeing unchecked corruption like never before... it had already started.. 😟
teedubbya
6 years ago

And many here still can't see what Hillary did wrong... if she had been elected we would be seeing unchecked corruption like never before... it had already started.. 😟

DrafterX wrote:




For some reason normally good folks are willing to throw out their integrity because they think the other guy did.
teedubbya
6 years ago
Well, I ain't always right but I've never been wrong
Seldom turns out the way it does in a song
Once in a while you get shown the light
In the strangest of places if you look at it right
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