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teedubbya
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6 years ago

#21

Two, two, two financial catastrophes in one!!! Twitler told you he'd give you all the best stuff.

TW... I think I told you over text before.... I don't see a good exit strategy for this, personally. Whatever they choose to do, they're going to want to do it too early... That will start the infections again. We're not going to have herd immunity until we get some insane number of infections (I'm assuming we need at least 10% of the population to have antibodies before we no longer have to worry about the disease spreading quickly between groups... I'm just spitballing on that, I'm sure epidemiologists have an accurate number)... We can't keep going like this for too long...

The only thing we can hope to do is improve our cultural habits regarding washing, coughing, wearing masks... etc.

victor809 wrote:

Well it will never be clean and whenever we pull the trigger it will be a risk or leap of faith.

We are playing four corners ala dean smith. Buying time. We can’t afford to buy time until there is a cure or vaccine. So to me it’s all about testing, particularly antibody, and continued social distancing but a relaxed educated (testing) version. Until the vaccine.

As a side note isn’t it cool that we talk about when rather than if when talking about a vaccine. If it was if the whole calculus would change.

Edited by user 6 years ago | Reason: Not specified

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#22

Nah!
Don’t be silly.
He had his bong custom built at a machine shop in north Fresno............the inhaler is built right in!

KingoftheCove wrote:

I would love to see that on zoom.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#23

I would love to see that on zoom.

victor809 wrote:

We did. Well I did until I got sloppy drunk. Damn cask strength.

opelmanta1900
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#24

For the record, I have no desire to reopen the country.... I know others need it... I thoroughly enjoy having my wife and kids home, thoroughly enjoy making all of our meals from scratch, enjoy having groceries delivered... We're saving a ton of money, we spend zero time in traffic, we spend a ton of time outdoors with our dogs and taking family walks and playing charades.... I wish this was the new normal....

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#25

I get it opie.

I also know weed cures asthma. Zappa taught us that.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#26

Well it will never be clean and whenever we pull the trigger it will be a risk or leap of faith.

We are playing four corners ala dean smith. Buying time. We can’t afford to buy time until there is a cure or vaccine. So to me it’s all about testing, particularly antibody, and continued social distancing but a relaxed educated (testing) version.

As a side note isn’t it cool that we talk about when rather than if when talking about a vaccine. If it was if the whole calculus would change.

teedubbya wrote:

Well, of course. Vaccine development literally changed our ability as a species to make it through viral outbreaks. And we still have idiots thinking they do nothing.

After thinking it over, I stopped caring much about antibody testing... I mean... honestly, what's the real advantage to finding out you had it and are carrying antibodies? Yes, there's the antibody treatment, but from a functioning society standpoint... We'd have to have so many people get the disease and survive it before that becomes really useful. Think of how many will die before that many have antibodies...

opelmanta1900
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#27

Did any child in that entire two schools, or anyone else in your extended family die?

This has killed some kids. If two entire schools worth of kids had it (what is that, like 400?) you'd think at least one would die. Or a teacher at least. Just ONE mysterious death in that huge group of people might make me think there's a chance.

Look at NYC... they're burying people in a potters field. If it ran rampant through a school, then it would have gone back to every family, and every parent's workplace. There would have been some blip on the radar.

victor809 wrote:

Again, I will appeal to the experts at Stanford on this who have seen enough evidence that they've begun testing for antibodies in blood donations from SF and LA from last fall...

As for the "mysterious death" you're looking for, look at the death rates attributed to the "extra long, extra early" flu season here in California....

opelmanta1900
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#28

I get it opie.

I also know weed cures asthma. Zappa taught us that.

teedubbya wrote:

It helps.... My worst issues are in the middle of the night when I'm furthest removed from a hit...

KingoftheCove
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#29

It helps.... My worst issues are in the middle of the night when I'm furthest removed from a hit...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

No bong hit alarm clock?
What a noob!

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#30

Honestly, there's not a good option.

If we had controlled it at the beginning with aggressive testing and draconian national travel bans, we may have been able to keep it contained to mostly one state (this was what China did)

If we were more aggressive in our national lockdown, literally forcing people to stay in their homes by police, isolating every single person who was infected and tracing back who they had contact with, we could actually burn it out mostly. If the disease has no one to spread to, it will literally die out. But we as a nation aren't big fans of that level of restriction.

Our testing even now is way behind other nations levels of testing. I think I remember hearing we're still getting 20% positive tests. That means we aren't testing enough people, and a LOT of people with COVID are going untested. When they're untested, they spread the disease.

We half-assed the response to this the entire way. Some of the half-assing was because our national culture would rebel against an effective solution. Other half-assing was because our leadership is run by a moron who doesn't listen to anyone with an education.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#31

opelmanta1900 wrote:

I don't think that's what they're testing for.
They're testing current blood donations to see how widely the virus spread. They are unsure (and will be until this testing is done) just how many people get this disease and don't show a serious illness (or any illness). This is necessary in the long term assessment of the disease fatality rate. MACS was mentioning this earlier... although it is only really looking at the denominator, and misses uncertainties in the numerator.

The testing isn't to see whether people had it in Dec or Nov. We don't have blood supplies from then. Blood is only stored like a little over a month. Some fractions of blood are frozen, but I don't even know if those fractions would have antibodies in them.